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Recursion

(56,582 posts)
Tue Mar 25, 2014, 12:43 AM Mar 2014

This is a "religious liberty" exception I think should definitely be fought for...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/24/rockford-illinois-church-homeless_n_5021777.html

Many more people will be forced to sleep outside in below freezing temperatures now that the city of Rockford has told a church to stop providing shelter for the homeless.

In the freezing temperatures of an Illinois winter, finding shelter could be the difference between life and death for those without homes. That's why the Apostolic Pentecostal Church in Rockford, Ill., served as a refuge and warming center to help the homeless survive the frigid winter nights, but now city officials have shut them down citing zoning violations and fire safety hazards, WIFR reported.

Church leaders were told last week that continuing to act as a shelter would be illegal, and many are disheartened. The small building housed as many as 50 people on the coldest nights, according to WTVO-TV.

"To me, people are first. I do believe there would have been a lot of people that wouldn't have been here today if they had not been here [at the church] for four months, because it was very cold outside and I think we saved lives," Theresa Frederick of Apostolic Pentecostal Church told WIFR.


Unlike the issue of who marries whom (and the New Testament is much more ambivalent about marriage than its loud advocates today; Paul says the state is -- only marginally -- better than hellfire), feeding and sheltering the homeless is an explicit red-letter commandment.

Now, if there are actually fire safety hazards, then obviously the church should address them (though weighing the risks of an unsheltered night, that issue becomes even blurrier), but combined with the "zoning" claim this just sounds like NIMBY BS to me...
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This is a "religious liberty" exception I think should definitely be fought for... (Original Post) Recursion Mar 2014 OP
SHAME! nt Deep13 Mar 2014 #1
Pure utter bullshit and bureaucracy... TreasonousBastard Mar 2014 #2
Exactly. If it can't safely house the homeless, it shouldn't have a worship service on Sunday either Recursion Mar 2014 #3
Sure does smell like NIMBY and... TreasonousBastard Mar 2014 #4
Fair points, all (nt) Recursion Mar 2014 #5
One other thing the New Testament is absolutely unambiguous about: tblue37 Mar 2014 #6

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
2. Pure utter bullshit and bureaucracy...
Tue Mar 25, 2014, 12:57 AM
Mar 2014

we have a program here that I help with called Maureen's Haven (named after the nun who started it) and all winter long each night a local church opens its doors to the homeless. Some open more often than others, and it's well organized so they get dinner, breakfast, bus tickets and a bag lunch. And a warm, safe place to sleep.

Nobody, NOBODY, dares mess with the program. And politics are laid aside-- I work well with Republicans and Conservatives who believe in the program as I do.

Now, if indeed the church in question here is unsafe, it should be completely shut down until the problems are corrected, but closing down one program is cruel an unusual.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
3. Exactly. If it can't safely house the homeless, it shouldn't have a worship service on Sunday either
Tue Mar 25, 2014, 01:42 AM
Mar 2014

But like I said this smells of NIMBY BS.

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
4. Sure does smell like NIMBY and...
Tue Mar 25, 2014, 02:41 AM
Mar 2014

if that picture in the article (you never know with Huffpo) is the church in question it could be disliked for just existing as the rural/suburban version of a storefront church.

OTOH, maybe the church is running a scam and this is the only legal way they can figure out to shut it down.

When an article is written with an emotional slant, you just never know...

tblue37

(65,477 posts)
6. One other thing the New Testament is absolutely unambiguous about:
Tue Mar 25, 2014, 03:30 AM
Mar 2014

"Judge not that ye be not judged, " a concept expressed repeatedly and in a variety of ways (e.g., that only one who is sinless has the right to stone another sinner--which means nobody has that right). But of course the fundamentalists ignore that rule, too, and spend all their time and energy judging and "stoning" others for their supposed sins.

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