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(23,558 posts)I Love Lucy had some problems with the network at first.
demwing
(16,916 posts)I don't speak Trekian
Aristus
(66,434 posts)William Shatner, Leonard Nimoy, etc.
Should have guessed, oh well
Aristus
(66,434 posts)For me, it's 'nerd-by-association'. I'm actually a 'Star Wars' geek, but I know a lot of Star Trek, too.
Paulie
(8,462 posts)Klaatu barada nikto.
wandy
(3,539 posts)TOS, (The Original Series) has little meaning.
Everything after that was just kind of a 'spin off'.
demwing
(16,916 posts)Being just a little guy, stretched out on the floor in front of the TV, watching ST, and waiting for my mom to come home from work. Seems like something I did every day, but it couldn't have happened more than once a week. Weird...
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)lobbied for it to return. One person can change the world. She almost singlehandedly brought star trek back, this little fan woman. She got a crew part in the first ST movie made.
byronius
(7,397 posts)'Cause that show is a blueprint for the future of the human race. Cannot overstate its importance and impact.
reddread
(6,896 posts)we just have to get through this facile and vapid facebook information era first, then the Great Bird can take flight.
Hekate
(90,766 posts)Why on Earth would it have been "another person at Desilu, most likely"?
reddread
(6,896 posts)Because a cute facebook meme photo with such a heartwarming notion does not the truth make?
That bright businesswoman ran her show and poor Ethel sure took a woman's beating for it.
Where do you get off insinuating I was bashing an icon?
If this is how people get their "facts" today, its gonna be a real dim future, and Roddenberry wasted his time.
well, he was wasted, and not very appreciated. But now we can point at Lucy for the Diamonds in the Sky.
whatever.
byronius
(7,397 posts)Are you sure you aren't just naysaying for personal position? 'Cause that's a standard technique. I mean, I get it, we should check our sources. But it seems far more logical to me that the STUDIO OWNER would be involved in rescuing a shunned script considered too cerebral and too expensive than some underling without greenlight authority.
But if you need to get your jollies by casting intertube shadows, so be it. I mean, everybody's got to shine at the dance, right? And some people talk shit about the prom queen. It's so very primal.
Lots of sources on the tubes for this 'facile meme'.
memory-alpha.org
During the 2006 induction of William Shatner into the Television Academy Hall of Fame, Ball's daughter, Lucie Arnaz (wife of Star Trek V: The Final Frontier actor Laurence Luckinbill), told a story of her mother's involvement in Star Trek's earliest days. At one point, Ball's own studio chiefs said, "And the two most expensive shows are Mission: Impossible and Star Trek, [so] they have to go.' She used to always listen to everything the dyed-print suits said. But she said, 'No, I like 'em!' And they said, 'They cost too much!' And she said, 'But I like 'em!' So they left them!"[2]
blastr.com
It seems that if it weren't for the interest of a particularly powerful comedy legend, we might not have Star Trek today.
Back in 1964, creator Gene Roddenberry found a home for his still-developing sci-fi series at Desilu Productions, the studio founded in 1951 by the husband and wife team of Lucille Ball and Desi Arnaz, who became television superstars in the 1950s with their broundbreaking sitcom I Love Lucy. By 1964, the couple were divorced, and Ball was sole owner of the lucrative studio, making her a true Hollywood power player (a rarity for a woman in the '60s). Though some within her studio apparently weren't very excited by Roddenberry's ideas, Ball took a liking to the writer and the Star Trek concept, and it was her influence that would eventually keep the show alive when most other shows would have died.
In 1965, Roddenberry got a pilot order from NBC and produced the original Star Trek pilot "The Cage." It was rejected by the network, reportedly because it was "too cerebral," and for most shows that's where the story would have ended. Luckily for Roddenberry, he had Ball on his side. The story goes that she still thought the Star Trek idea had legs, and used her considerable influence in television to push for NBC to give Roddenberry a second chance. The network made the exceedingly rare move of ordering a second pilot from Roddenberry, who overhauled almost the entire cast of characters from "The Cage" and eventually produced "Where No Man Has Gone Before." That pilot was accepted, the show was given a series order, and the rest is history.
So if it weren't for the Hollywood clout (and eye for story) of an iconic redheaded comedienne-turned-mogul, we might not have Star Trek as we know it today.
neatorama
Lucy and Desi divorced in 1960, just two months after taping the final episode of The Lucy-Desi Comedy Hour. While the couple remained friends all the way up until Desis death, Lucy had already started working on her next show, The Lucy Show, and since Arnaz wasnt involved with the project, everyone agreed that he should sell his shares to his ex-wife. This left Lucy as the first woman to be the head of a television production company. And the companys show lineup was often just as revolutionary. When you consider the fact that I Love Lucy always used more expensive film studio techniques that were completely unorthodox for TV shows to use, its not entirely surprising that the studio was also willing to take on a few shows that would require much higher budgets than other studios would be willing to deal with. Thats why the companys list of productions included such high-value classics as The Untouchables, Star Trek and Mission: Impossible. Their studios were so nice that many other notable shows, produced by other companies, were filmed there, including My Three Sons, The Dick Van Dyke Show and The Andy Griffith Show. While the shows produced by the studio cost more to make, Lucy had an excellent eye for finding ideas that would have high syndication and re-run values, ensuring the company would always recover a profit on their high production costs.
TrekBBS quoting the book "These Are The Voyages"
"The Cage" was budgeted for $452,000, but went on to cost $616,000 for an overrage of $164,000 (the equivalent of over $1.2 million today)
The Mission: Impossible pilot episode was budgeted at $440,300 yet came in at $575,744 for an overage of $135,444 (the equivalent of nearly $1 million today)
These were both expensive pilots and yet considering the kind of show they were trying to do with Star Trek the costs really aren't that much different from the Mission: Impossible pilot which was (in some respects) a much more conventional type of program. Of course, it has to be said that Desilu wasn't happy with either situation. The studio suits pressured Lucille Ball to drop one of the shows, and since Mission: Impossible was considered more accessible as a concept they urged her to drop Star Trek.
reddread
(6,896 posts)"Herb Solow oversaw the show's development, and I am forever grateful to him. (Lucille Ball owned the studio, but our true champion was Herb, so let's give credit where it's due.) Herb co-authored a book that explains it all. True Trekkies should click to read more, and own a part of TV history. Herb, thank you, thank you, thank you."
byronius
(7,397 posts)Not that that discounts the information. Although Solow did write the book that credits Solow. And he's credited with development, not with greenlighting or rescuing the project.
Interesting. It's probably one of those human-mix truths; perhaps Solow saw the value and pulled in Lucy as a big gun. Whoever saved the show is fucking awesome, no matter how it happened.
I'm sure we can agree on that, at least. And Roddenberry. Let us not forget Roddenberry. Without his content, and that archetypal cast --
reddread
(6,896 posts)I appreciate that it looked that way also and served dual purposes.
that was Takei's resolution to the question of veracity, as he had never heard any such claim.
byronius
(7,397 posts)To the important stuff -- why do you dread the color red? Or is it that you are a reader of Redd?
I love Lou Reed as well. And I am dreadfully sorry that a Fresnian is stuck in Kentuckia. Might I help you escape and return you to your native land in some fashion?
It's sort of raining here. We're all semi-giddy with it. You could bring some more home.
not really erythrophopic, kind of like red birds, fish and cars, it seems. Guess Reddread translates into I dont like conservatives masquerading (or functioning) as Democratic Party policy makers.
Im out of here, in two weeks I should be home. But you can help push this Pinto onto a transporter if you like.
Thats the lynchpin. If I can get it running long enough to load, and they show on schedule and do the deed,
its only 2300 miles home after that.
I'll believe rain when I see it. Coming home with so much to do should guarantee 40 days and 40 nights.
you can thank me after.
Hekate
(90,766 posts)I was never actually a fan of the I Love Lucy show as a kid or teen, but as an older human being I recognize what a TV icon she is and how hard and brilliantly she worked for what she had.
"Cerebral" was actually what I was looking for -- and social justice, and racial integration/harmony, and a science fiction program worthy of the name -- and how nice that Desilu was there providing that. From the time I could read I was a science fiction fan, and in our household we had Analog, F&SF, and a rotating library of paperbacks by the best. Sci fi on film made me gag until Star Trek came along.
byronius
(7,397 posts)I didn't get to see Trek in its original release because I grew up overseas. But the reruns gripped me with a religious fever that has never let go.
The entire movement is a clear blueprint that we should be following. I'd like to skip the oft-referred to 'Eugenics Wars', though.
Right to the no-currency socialist 'everybody explore' paradise.
DireStrike
(6,452 posts)I grew up with TNG and find TOS hard to watch, and certainly not because it's too cerebral. Wowsers.
niyad
(113,498 posts)KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)using ones imagination more than the later versions.
Kirk and Picard were definitely captains reflecting time periods.
Gidney N Cloyd
(19,845 posts)Response to Playinghardball (Original post)
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flamingdem
(39,314 posts)She was so beautiful and funny!
Hekate
(90,766 posts)The original Star Trek was quite a departure from cowboy movies. It was indeed "cerebral" and we liked it that way. A lot of teen girls adored Captain Kirk -- but let's just say Spock had his fangirls too.
Tommy_Carcetti
(43,189 posts)I somehow remember that name from old reruns.
Tikki
(14,559 posts)Thank You Lucille...
Tikki