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How many righties, including Kochs and Adelsen, etc., are doing business over there en masse? Wasn't Mittens sending his jobs over there during the elections, even?

Great talking point, thanks, Scorp.

set foot in a hobby lobby (not that I have in years, because of their fundy nonsense) but. . .

How could Hobby Lobby possibly explain away such hypocrisy?

The Justice Department brief, authorized by Attorney General Eric Holder, emphasizes that the company formerly allowed “preventive services” within employee health insurance plans, dismissing the “alleged religious beliefs” of the company’s owners...

Putting this at the top, as I like the DOJ's 'alleged religious beliefs' part of that. More:

Kagan Throws Scalia's Own Religious Liberty Arguments Back In His Face - TPMDC

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024724945

Women Justices Rock the Hobby Lobby Argument

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024726315

Re: Obama administraion's defense of the ACA on the issue, and this is not from a purely liberal source, but the Hobby position is dishonest, and here is our defense against their lawsuit:

Analysis: Hobby Lobby case -- Matters of principle or “alleged religious beliefs”?

Ryan Kiesel of the American Civil Liberties Union, Oklahoma chapter, told CapitolBeatOK the U.S. government will succeed in its defense of the ACA provisions, including the “HHS” (Health and Human Services) mandate requiring the coverage.

He said, “For decades courts have held that religious liberty does not grant secular employers a license to discriminate against their employees or customers. Whether that discrimination is based on race or gender, courts have routinely held that claims of religious liberty by the owners or managers of a company are no justification.”

In mandating coverage of “preventative medicine with no co-pay,” Kiesel believes, Congress was “taking steps to address the inequity felt by women in the workplace. If Hobby Lobby were a church, this would be a different story altogether. However, as a private, for-profit company they do not have the right to impose their beliefs upon their employees...”

The Justice Department brief, authorized by Attorney General Eric Holder, emphasizes that the company formerly allowed “preventive services” within employee health insurance plans, dismissing the “alleged religious beliefs” of the company’s owners...

http://capitolbeatok.com/reports/analysis-hobby-lobby-case-matters-of-principle-or-alleged-religious-beliefs

Great thread, great post.

A read of Kagan and the other women justices arguing this is encouraging. But the SCOTUS has screwed up before, so we need more justices like this:

We need somebody who's got the heart, the empathy, to recognize what it's like to be a young teenage mom, the empathy to understand what it's like to be poor or African-American or gay or disabled or old - and that's the criterion by which I'll be selecting my judges.

~ Barack Obama

who wrote about the differences between male and female perceptions of ethical or moral behavior.

Basically, she found that women tend to judge situations based on what will cause the least harm/help the most people. Women think in terms of the relationships and ramifications of a given action.

Compared to male tendencies toward abstract ideologies of Right and Wrong, with less concern for the real-world effects on individuals.

well stated.

Because it really does cut to the hypocrisy and if they want to use that as a reason then they need to change where they get the goods they are profiting from.

That is great. How sensible.

this is so true!

It's about profit. HL can either pay employees & forgo the ACA plan or not. Women have sex. Woman control their reproductive lives. ACA makes it affordable. HL is trying to get the discount for ACA & impose limits disguised as morality in order to further a deeper agenda. This was an informative article

http://www.salon.com/2014/03/27/hobby_lobbys_secret_agenda_how_its_secretly_funding_a_vast_right_wing_movement/

I also have a personal resentment against them. They inexplicably bought my school, which has been there since 1879, but have just left it sitting there, and this has had a huge negative impact in the little town that sprang up around it. The more I hear about these sanctimonious hypocrites, the more it bothers me.