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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsSaw Noah today
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Normally I would wait for dvd but wanted to push up the numbers to make the right wingers heads explode. It was a pretty good size crowd and a few people walked out of the movie and didn't return.
It was kind a dark story. The acting was great as well as the special effects. I had no problem with the movie referring to god as the creator. No one really knows who created earth and man. I'll take Science over a bible. We really don't know who wrote the bible. But the bible is still a great book. There are times I have taken great comfort from the words in the bible.
jollyreaper2112
(1,941 posts)She said "Good but more fantasy than biblical." I asked her what's the difference?
Near as I can figure, they somehow strayed away from the biblical narrative.
As cinema, those old bible epics were properly done. And I'll still say that passion was well-composed and had excellent cinematography and production values, aside from the agenda of the crazy director.
I'd frankly be interested in seeing the movie as spectacle if they could just get around shakey cam and flying the pov around like crazy in all the cgi shots. It ruins immersion. This is the same guy who gave us the Fountain and that was a goddamn disaster of a film.
mattclearing
(10,091 posts)but I've never seen it described as a disaster.
mainer
(12,022 posts)My husband and I finally shut it off about 2/3 through because we couldn't take the agony any longer.
villager
(26,001 posts)Need to finish it soon.
Like his use of Midrash -- "extra curricular" Biblical tales, to create one of his own. For example, having Og of the giants in there...
There are some great midrashim about Og riding on the roof of the ark, etc.
Curmudgeoness
(18,219 posts)The original story wasn't a bed of roses. I wouldn't expect anything more than references to god, knowing that this is a movie based on a Bible story....what else would I expect.
Thanks for giving us your take on it. I will not be seeing it, so I am interested in what people who see it think.
WillyT
(72,631 posts)Jerry442
(1,265 posts)If it had been a fanciful yarn about a man saving his family and some animals from an awesome natural disaster, it might have been enjoyable. You know, "Die Hard in a Flood".
I just have a real problem with the central premise that God decided to whack almost all life on the Earth -- and that a lot of people think that was pretty cool.
snooper2
(30,151 posts)If you fuck up you can just start all over
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)That was fun.
ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)gratuitous
(82,849 posts)If that alone doesn't make you want to go see it, then perhaps Grand Budapest Hotel isn't for you.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Logical
(22,457 posts)PasadenaTrudy
(3,998 posts)Sognefjord
(229 posts)So let it be written, so let it be done.
catbyte
(34,393 posts)HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)Because by definition I would be a little c creationist.
snooper2
(30,151 posts)I guess we will have to start with how stars are formed-
Ever read up on that?
kimbutgar
(21,153 posts)kpete
(71,994 posts)because Jesus doesn't have a big enough role in it.
peace, kp
itsrobert
(14,157 posts)never mind Noah supposedly is thousands of years before Jesus is born.
mainer
(12,022 posts)He points out that the Old Testament is a Jewish document, not a Christian document, and that the film adheres to it for the most part. He answers some of the charges hurled at the movie by Christians:
I have heard this objection repeatedly this weekend, particularly on FOX news and Talk Radio outlets, and it is blatantly false and ridiculous. The very word translated God in Genesis is not a name but a generic reference that might be translated as The Powers (Elohim). One can only imagine the uproar had Aronofsky chosen to call the Creator The Powerswhich would have been quite biblical. In the Noah film this nameless One is constantly referred to as the Creator, but used in a very personal way by all the characters in the filmgood and bad. According to Exodus 6:3 God did not make Himself known by His personal name Yahweh (YHVH) or the LORD until the time of Moses. The references to God as the LORD in Genesis 6-9 in the Flood story are accordingly anachronisticso it turns out, ironically, that Aronofskys designation of God as the Creator, is more biblical than his critics have imagined.
The Film is Pro-Animal and Promotes Vegetarianism and Environmentalism
Here I would have to say guilty as chargedand thus thoroughly biblical. What few realize is that according to the Bible humans before the Flood were never given permission to hunt, shed blood, or eat the flesh of living creatures. In Genesis 1:29 God says I give you every seed-bearing plant that is upon all the earth, and every tree that has seed bearing fruit; they shall be yours for good. It is only after the flood, that permission to shed blood and eat meat is given to humans, though it is stipulated that God will hold humans accountable even for the blood of an animal. According to the Rabbis, this means that the life of an animal must be taken without cruelty and with reverence (Genesis 9:3).
In addition to addressing these various controversial points I should add that the film has lots morewith special effects, bizarre phenomenon, and all sorts of creative and artistic embellishments on the rather bare story of Genesis 6-9. One must remember, however, that Genesis is not our only account of the Flood. There are other literary sources such as the Gilgamesh Epic and the mysterious books of 1 Enoch and Jubileesrevered by both ancient Jews and early Christiansbut not included in the Biblebut found among the Dead Sea Scrolls. There one does read more of the mysterious heavenly Watchers, fallen down to earth, who teach humankind all the skills that the descendants of Cain pervert into selfish ends. There is a wonderful and emerging web site that deals broadly with this whole topic, many of the other texts, and a wide range of insightful commentary and discussionFloodofNoah.com. I highly recommend this site to my readers. And I hope you will all see the Noah film and decide for yourselves about its value and its merits.
http://jamestabor.com/2014/03/29/bashers-of-the-noah-film-should-re-read-their-bibles/