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kimbutgar

(21,153 posts)
Sat Mar 29, 2014, 08:57 PM Mar 2014

Saw Noah today

Last edited Sun Mar 30, 2014, 12:55 AM - Edit history (1)

Normally I would wait for dvd but wanted to push up the numbers to make the right wingers heads explode. It was a pretty good size crowd and a few people walked out of the movie and didn't return.

It was kind a dark story. The acting was great as well as the special effects. I had no problem with the movie referring to god as the creator. No one really knows who created earth and man. I'll take Science over a bible. We really don't know who wrote the bible. But the bible is still a great book. There are times I have taken great comfort from the words in the bible.

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Saw Noah today (Original Post) kimbutgar Mar 2014 OP
Girlfriend saw it jollyreaper2112 Mar 2014 #1
I've seen a fair bit of commentary on The Fountain mattclearing Mar 2014 #7
I saw The Fountain. Yes, it was a disaster. mainer Mar 2014 #18
Started reading the graphic novel version, also written by Aronofsky villager Mar 2014 #2
"It was kind of a dark story." Well, yeah. Curmudgeoness Mar 2014 #3
We... Are Made Of Star Stuff.. WillyT Mar 2014 #4
I passed up an opportunity to see it today with friends. Jerry442 Mar 2014 #5
that's the cool thing about being a god snooper2 Mar 2014 #13
We watched the Grand Budapest Hotel nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #6
Does Jeff Goldblum have a primary role? nt ChisolmTrailDem Mar 2014 #9
He plays Kovacs, a lawyer and executor gratuitous Mar 2014 #14
And does it well too. nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #16
Did you like Moonrise kindgom? Because I hated it. And think maybe I will hate this one also. n-t Logical Mar 2014 #20
Can't wait to see it! n/t PasadenaTrudy Mar 2014 #23
Will skip this one. I like the old Demille stuff better. Sognefjord Mar 2014 #8
I was happy to learn that no real animals were used in filming. All CGI. catbyte Mar 2014 #10
I wouldn't have trouble with creator either, if I believed someone must have created earth and man. HereSince1628 Mar 2014 #11
I know "who" created earth and man, it wasn't a "who" for starters snooper2 Mar 2014 #12
I've been watching cosmos kimbutgar Mar 2014 #22
I love the wingers who hate "Noah" kpete Mar 2014 #15
lol boston bean Mar 2014 #19
Yup, they are complaining that Noah wasn't portrayed as a big believer in Jesus Christ itsrobert Mar 2014 #21
A biblical scholar praises its accuracy mainer Mar 2014 #17

jollyreaper2112

(1,941 posts)
1. Girlfriend saw it
Sat Mar 29, 2014, 09:03 PM
Mar 2014

She said "Good but more fantasy than biblical." I asked her what's the difference?

Near as I can figure, they somehow strayed away from the biblical narrative.

As cinema, those old bible epics were properly done. And I'll still say that passion was well-composed and had excellent cinematography and production values, aside from the agenda of the crazy director.

I'd frankly be interested in seeing the movie as spectacle if they could just get around shakey cam and flying the pov around like crazy in all the cgi shots. It ruins immersion. This is the same guy who gave us the Fountain and that was a goddamn disaster of a film.

mainer

(12,022 posts)
18. I saw The Fountain. Yes, it was a disaster.
Sun Mar 30, 2014, 11:31 AM
Mar 2014

My husband and I finally shut it off about 2/3 through because we couldn't take the agony any longer.

 

villager

(26,001 posts)
2. Started reading the graphic novel version, also written by Aronofsky
Sat Mar 29, 2014, 09:03 PM
Mar 2014

Need to finish it soon.

Like his use of Midrash -- "extra curricular" Biblical tales, to create one of his own. For example, having Og of the giants in there...

There are some great midrashim about Og riding on the roof of the ark, etc.

Curmudgeoness

(18,219 posts)
3. "It was kind of a dark story." Well, yeah.
Sat Mar 29, 2014, 09:23 PM
Mar 2014

The original story wasn't a bed of roses. I wouldn't expect anything more than references to god, knowing that this is a movie based on a Bible story....what else would I expect.

Thanks for giving us your take on it. I will not be seeing it, so I am interested in what people who see it think.

Jerry442

(1,265 posts)
5. I passed up an opportunity to see it today with friends.
Sun Mar 30, 2014, 12:02 AM
Mar 2014

If it had been a fanciful yarn about a man saving his family and some animals from an awesome natural disaster, it might have been enjoyable. You know, "Die Hard in a Flood".

I just have a real problem with the central premise that God decided to whack almost all life on the Earth -- and that a lot of people think that was pretty cool.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
14. He plays Kovacs, a lawyer and executor
Sun Mar 30, 2014, 10:08 AM
Mar 2014

If that alone doesn't make you want to go see it, then perhaps Grand Budapest Hotel isn't for you.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
11. I wouldn't have trouble with creator either, if I believed someone must have created earth and man.
Sun Mar 30, 2014, 07:29 AM
Mar 2014

Because by definition I would be a little c creationist.

I had no problem with the movie referring to god as the creator. No one really knows who created earth and man.


 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
12. I know "who" created earth and man, it wasn't a "who" for starters
Sun Mar 30, 2014, 10:05 AM
Mar 2014

I guess we will have to start with how stars are formed-

Ever read up on that?

itsrobert

(14,157 posts)
21. Yup, they are complaining that Noah wasn't portrayed as a big believer in Jesus Christ
Sun Mar 30, 2014, 11:58 AM
Mar 2014

never mind Noah supposedly is thousands of years before Jesus is born.

mainer

(12,022 posts)
17. A biblical scholar praises its accuracy
Sun Mar 30, 2014, 11:28 AM
Mar 2014

He points out that the Old Testament is a Jewish document, not a Christian document, and that the film adheres to it for the most part. He answers some of the charges hurled at the movie by Christians:


The Film Never Mentions God
I have heard this objection repeatedly this weekend, particularly on FOX news and Talk Radio outlets, and it is blatantly false and ridiculous. The very word translated “God” in Genesis is not a name but a generic reference that might be translated as “The Powers” (Elohim). One can only imagine the uproar had Aronofsky chosen to call the Creator “The Powers”–which would have been quite biblical. In the Noah film this nameless One is constantly referred to as “the Creator,” but used in a very personal way by all the characters in the film–good and bad. According to Exodus 6:3 God did not make Himself known by His personal name Yahweh (YHVH) or “the LORD” until the time of Moses. The references to God as “the LORD” in Genesis 6-9 in the Flood story are accordingly anachronistic—so it turns out, ironically, that Aronofsky’s designation of God as “the Creator,” is more biblical than his critics have imagined.

The Film is Pro-Animal and Promotes Vegetarianism and Environmentalism
Here I would have to say “guilty as charged”–and thus thoroughly biblical. What few realize is that according to the Bible humans before the Flood were never given permission to hunt, shed blood, or eat the flesh of living creatures. In Genesis 1:29 God says “I give you every seed-bearing plant that is upon all the earth, and every tree that has seed bearing fruit; they shall be yours for good.” It is only after the flood, that permission to “shed blood” and eat meat is given to humans, though it is stipulated that God will hold humans accountable even for the blood of an animal. According to the Rabbis, this means that the life of an animal must be taken without cruelty and with reverence (Genesis 9:3).


The Film Does Not Follow the Bible
In addition to addressing these various controversial points I should add that the film has lots more–with special effects, bizarre phenomenon, and all sorts of creative and artistic embellishments on the rather “bare” story of Genesis 6-9. One must remember, however, that Genesis is not our only account of the Flood. There are other literary sources such as the Gilgamesh Epic and the mysterious books of 1 Enoch and Jubilees–revered by both ancient Jews and early Christians–but not included in the Bible–but found among the Dead Sea Scrolls. There one does read more of the mysterious heavenly “Watchers,” fallen down to earth, who teach humankind all the skills that the descendants of Cain pervert into selfish ends. There is a wonderful and emerging web site that deals broadly with this whole topic, many of the other texts, and a wide range of insightful commentary and discussion–FloodofNoah.com. I highly recommend this site to my readers. And I hope you will all see the Noah film and decide for yourselves about its value and its merits.



http://jamestabor.com/2014/03/29/bashers-of-the-noah-film-should-re-read-their-bibles/
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