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sheshe2

(83,785 posts)
Sat Mar 29, 2014, 09:20 PM Mar 2014

Barack Obama: "What I am constantly trying to do is balance a hard head with a big heart"

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I mentioned the other day that, as we begin to see the Obama Doctrine unfold, we can see the roots of President Obama's time spent as a community organizer come into play. In the picture above, the young Chicago lawyer is teaching a class on "power analysis." Right under the title, you'll see that he's talking about "relationships built on self interest." Those are critical components of what we are watching unfold on a global scale right now.

The best article I've seen that unpacks the President's thinking in this area is one that was written by Ryan Lizza way back in 2007 titled The Agitator. It is where I first saw Michelle Obama's great quote: "Barack is not a politician first and foremost. He's a community activist exploring the viability of politics to make change." The Obama Doctrine is firmly rooted in what the President learned as a community activist.


The best article I've seen that unpacks the President's thinking in this area is one that was written by Ryan Lizza way back in 2007 titled The Agitator. It is where I first saw Michelle Obama's great quote: "Barack is not a politician first and foremost. He's a community activist exploring the viability of politics to make change." The Obama Doctrine is firmly rooted in what the President learned as a community activist.

Lizza outlines some of the things Barack Obama learned from Gerald Kellman, Mike Kruglik and Gregory Galluzzo - the Saul Alinsky acolytes he worked with when he first moved to Chicago.

The first and most fundamental lesson Obama learned was to reassess his understanding of power. Horwitt says that, when Alinsky would ask new students why they wanted to organize, they would invariably respond with selfless bromides about wanting to help others. Alinsky would then scream back at them that there was a one-word answer: "You want to organize for power!"...

The other fundamental lesson Obama was taught is Alinsky's maxim that self-interest is the only principle around which to organize people... Obama was a fan of Alinsky's realistic streak. "The key to creating successful organizations was making sure people's self-interest was met," he told me, "and not just basing it on pie-in-the-sky idealism. So there were some basic principles that remained powerful then, and in fact I still believe in."

Read More:http://immasmartypants.blogspot.com/2014/03/barack-obama-what-i-am-constantly.html

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Barack Obama: "What I am constantly trying to do is balance a hard head with a big heart" (Original Post) sheshe2 Mar 2014 OP
Very interesting article. ucrdem Mar 2014 #1
p.s. anyone else miss chalk? ucrdem Mar 2014 #2
Thanks ucrdem. sheshe2 Mar 2014 #4
The Obama Doctrine ucrdem Mar 2014 #8
That's very interesting to hear flamingdem Mar 2014 #36
LOL, I first noticed it at San Ysidro t.b.h. . . ucrdem Mar 2014 #39
I don't care what anyone says... one_voice Mar 2014 #3
Glad you said it, one_voice, Kath1 Mar 2014 #5
Thanks Kath. sheshe2 Mar 2014 #10
Thanks so much, she! Kath1 Mar 2014 #13
Good to know you're okay. sheshe2 Mar 2014 #38
Thanks so much, she. Kath1 Mar 2014 #42
It is great to be back! Kath1 Mar 2014 #19
Many of my finest professors were unattractive HangOnKids Mar 2014 #7
i believe her comment had to do with how much he has aged JI7 Mar 2014 #20
One of the sanest presidents ever... CBHagman Mar 2014 #6
His beauty cilla4progress Mar 2014 #9
So true! Kath1 Mar 2014 #17
big kick big rec ! nt steve2470 Mar 2014 #11
ha!!! i win!!!! mopinko Mar 2014 #12
What a ringing endorsement... cilla4progress Mar 2014 #18
srsly mopinko Mar 2014 #25
Imagine all those kids in that lecture hall who, lo these many years later, can turn around calimary Mar 2014 #14
I hope they went out to change the world! sheshe2 Mar 2014 #15
President Obama is intelligent, Courageous, and Kind.. coming as Michelle says from Cha Mar 2014 #16
Thanks Cha! sheshe2 Mar 2014 #30
A`ole pilikia, she~ Cha Mar 2014 #32
And that means~ sheshe2 Mar 2014 #33
No problem.. Cha Mar 2014 #34
Thanks! :) sheshe2 Mar 2014 #35
isn't self interest ayn rand's big thing? n/t PowerToThePeople Mar 2014 #21
Well, theres a huge difference in context there... phleshdef Mar 2014 #23
alinsky was a pox, in the end, imho mopinko Mar 2014 #26
Sure. Same with any worker who joins a union out of hope for better pay and benefits. Warren DeMontague Mar 2014 #24
That is a bad hat. PowerToThePeople Mar 2014 #27
I see the "self interest", in Obama's handling of Syria. sheshe2 Mar 2014 #31
+1 Raine1967 Mar 2014 #29
Kick for the night crew.. or early early morning.. depending on Cha Mar 2014 #22
Very interesting quote from the First Lady. Laelth Mar 2014 #28
But many DUers think he's the reincarnation of Reagan flamingdem Mar 2014 #37
I'm sorry, but I must say this: Whisp Mar 2014 #40
I don't care either Whisp! sheshe2 Mar 2014 #41

sheshe2

(83,785 posts)
4. Thanks ucrdem.
Sat Mar 29, 2014, 10:38 PM
Mar 2014

The Obama Doctrine

First of all, he bases his reaction on international laws, principles and ideals. This is where so many people misjudged his intentions in Syria. As we saw, he routinely rejected the advise of many (including those in his cabinet) to get involved militarily in that country's civil war. The pragmatist in him knows there's no workable solution there. But when Assad used chemical weapons against his own people, it was a serious breach of international law. That was the basis for his attempts to rally the international community to respond. When Putin realized that the President was serious, he counseled his ally Assad to give up those chemical weapons. Syria is in the process of doing that as we speak.

When it comes to the current situation in the Ukraine, here's how President Obama articulated that yesterday in Brussels:

...our enduring strength is also reflected in our respect for an international system that protects the rights of both nations and people -- a United Nations and a Universal Declaration of Human Rights, international law and the means to enforce those laws.

But we also know that those rules are not self-executing.

They depend on people and nations of good will continually affirming them.

And that’s why Russia’s violation of international law, its assault on Ukraine’s sovereignty and territorial integrity, must be met with condemnation, not because we’re trying to keep Russia down, but because the principles that have meant so much to Europe and the world must be lifted up.
http://immasmartypants.blogspot.com/2014/03/the-obama-doctrine.html

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
8. The Obama Doctrine
Sat Mar 29, 2014, 10:54 PM
Mar 2014

Has transformed the world in six short years. Traveling just a little makes this clear. First there are the airports, which have long since ceased being armed camps terrorizing passengers. Then there are the embassies, which still look like forts but are actually friendly places. Then there are people's feelings about the US, then the war that didn't happen in Iran and ended in Iraq, then the demise of "peak oil," OBL, and assorted other Wall Street-friendly scams. The list goes on. . . .

flamingdem

(39,313 posts)
36. That's very interesting to hear
Sun Mar 30, 2014, 10:31 PM
Mar 2014

Sounds like you or someone you know was in the Middle East, or is this in other areas?

I remember that DCA was like an armed camp after 9/11 -- I felt tied to my seat - do not get up under any circumstances - and got off to see a lot of army uniforms and large weapons. Very unnerving.

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
39. LOL, I first noticed it at San Ysidro t.b.h. . .
Sun Mar 30, 2014, 10:47 PM
Mar 2014

at the border crossing. Sometime around 2009 the border guards started acting like border guards and not like Green Berets on crack.

one_voice

(20,043 posts)
3. I don't care what anyone says...
Sat Mar 29, 2014, 10:10 PM
Mar 2014

I'm going to say it...

Look how handsome something about a nice looking man teaching....

He's aged so much...still good looking though.

Ok, now I will read the article.

Kath1

(4,309 posts)
5. Glad you said it, one_voice,
Sat Mar 29, 2014, 10:43 PM
Mar 2014

because I was thinking the same thing!

If Obama didn't exist, the right wing would have to invent him to have a target for their hate. I'm glad I supported him and I still support him!

Kath1

(4,309 posts)
13. Thanks so much, she!
Sat Mar 29, 2014, 11:50 PM
Mar 2014

Sorry to have been away and have missed my progressive friends. Had some unexpected employment and family issues.

I'm back though, and I'm the same feminist peace-geek I've always been.

Love your avatar. Last time I checked, equality was a wonderful thing!

sheshe2

(83,785 posts)
38. Good to know you're okay.
Sun Mar 30, 2014, 10:43 PM
Mar 2014

So now let's kick some ass!

Thanks about the avatar, yes equality is what we strive for. Equality for all!

PS, I sent you a heart for valentines week~

 

HangOnKids

(4,291 posts)
7. Many of my finest professors were unattractive
Sat Mar 29, 2014, 10:53 PM
Mar 2014

Unattractive great teachers are still great teachers. They just lack the swoon factor.

JI7

(89,251 posts)
20. i believe her comment had to do with how much he has aged
Sun Mar 30, 2014, 02:05 AM
Mar 2014

not about how being a good teacher has anything to do with looks.

mopinko

(70,118 posts)
12. ha!!! i win!!!!
Sat Mar 29, 2014, 11:38 PM
Mar 2014

i could go fishing in my du2 journal right now and show that this was who he was, that i knew how and where and when from whence he came. and why he came here.
he is my homey. that's how we do it here.

sometimes folks from away don't get it. personally, i can wait to have him back.

mopinko

(70,118 posts)
25. srsly
Sun Mar 30, 2014, 09:05 AM
Mar 2014

i have talked to a lot of people who knew him when. i also read jonathan alters book about the 2012 campaign. i think i have a pretty good idea how the guys mind works, honestly.
i see his flaws, and i have heard about his quirks. and a lot of things that don't make sense to others make perfect sense to me.

good book, btw, if you want to know the man- the center holds- obama and his enemies

calimary

(81,304 posts)
14. Imagine all those kids in that lecture hall who, lo these many years later, can turn around
Sat Mar 29, 2014, 11:58 PM
Mar 2014

to THEIR kids and talk about how they were taught constitutional law by the future President of the United States. Pretty damn cool, I'd say!

sheshe2

(83,785 posts)
15. I hope they went out to change the world!
Sun Mar 30, 2014, 12:19 AM
Mar 2014

Thanks calimary, those kids were taught from one of the best!



Cha

(297,276 posts)
16. President Obama is intelligent, Courageous, and Kind.. coming as Michelle says from
Sun Mar 30, 2014, 12:29 AM
Mar 2014

the Community Organizing School of Thought. How fortunate for our country he wanted to be President and we all made it happen.

Thank you for his from smartypants, she~

 

phleshdef

(11,936 posts)
23. Well, theres a huge difference in context there...
Sun Mar 30, 2014, 04:05 AM
Mar 2014

Ayn Rand's thing was based on individuals pursuing their own self interests. Alinsky's idea here is that when you are trying to bring people together for your cause, you need to focus on their self interests. Its "me focusing on my self interest" vs "us focusing on helping each other with our respective self interests".

Its always about self interests. Thats just another way of saying "people getting what they need and want". Rand believed in an individualist approach. Alinsky was collectivist.

mopinko

(70,118 posts)
26. alinsky was a pox, in the end, imho
Sun Mar 30, 2014, 09:12 AM
Mar 2014

his big achievement was stopping the crosstown expressway. except that we badly needed one, and we will likely never get it now.
thousands of cars and trucks spew fumes into downtown chicago every day because there is no ring road like most big cities have. people die in accidents and children die of asthma.

i think he also played on fear of integration to get those folks active.

thanks saul
not that different from rand in the end.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
24. Sure. Same with any worker who joins a union out of hope for better pay and benefits.
Sun Mar 30, 2014, 04:14 AM
Mar 2014

Ayn Rand also wore hats, that doesn't mean hats are intrinsically evil.



Although come to think of it, that IS a phenomenally bad hat.

Maybe that's my point- the thing itself is not intrinsically, always bad, but it needs to be used with judiciousness and a modicum of style, plus consideration and compassion for others.

Just like hats.

 

PowerToThePeople

(9,610 posts)
27. That is a bad hat.
Sun Mar 30, 2014, 09:26 AM
Mar 2014

I can see the point to targeting self interest for getting people organized. It disappoints me that is the case, that we must lowest common denominator to "self-interest" to get people moving. I do not think people are naturally that way. I think our society has socialized us into that state of mind. I would like to see a break from that mode of thought and work towards a higher set of societal goals. I believe we are much better than "self interest."

sheshe2

(83,785 posts)
31. I see the "self interest", in Obama's handling of Syria.
Sun Mar 30, 2014, 06:52 PM
Mar 2014

Obama made Putin see that it was in his and Russia's self interest to call off Syria's gassing her own people.

Laelth

(32,017 posts)
28. Very interesting quote from the First Lady.
Sun Mar 30, 2014, 05:53 PM
Mar 2014
"Barack is not a politician first and foremost. He's a community activist exploring the viability of politics to make change."

I had never seen that quote before, but I find it highly insightful. I wonder if the President has come to the conclusion that politics is not a viable path to effecting change. If so, that would explain a whole lot.



-Laelth


Edit to add: Admittedly, he changed what he could (pragmatic), but he's not to fussed about what he didn't manage to change ... because it wasn't viable.

flamingdem

(39,313 posts)
37. But many DUers think he's the reincarnation of Reagan
Sun Mar 30, 2014, 10:32 PM
Mar 2014

who was a B actor and sold cigarettes before politics..

 

Whisp

(24,096 posts)
40. I'm sorry, but I must say this:
Sun Mar 30, 2014, 10:53 PM
Mar 2014

That pic of the President is just too darned sweet.
I'm sure The 300 will disapprove but ask me if I care.

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