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madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
Sat Mar 29, 2014, 09:43 PM Mar 2014

NY legislature: Charter schools get free space in public schools. Hostile takeover of public arenas?

Of course some charter schools have been doing this for years. But now the legislature has made it all legal. Charter owners costly ads were successful. Their large donations to politicians paid off well.

New York Legislature: Billionaire-funded Charter Schools Will Not Have to Pay Rent for Public Space

The following just in as the New York State Legislature responds to the pressure of a $5 million advertising campaign demanding free space for privately-managed charters. Also, the billionaires behind this ad campaign have given handsome sums to Governor Cuomo and other key politicians. Cuomo has received at least $800,000 from the charter advocates. Under the legislation below, the charters are given the right to expand as much as they want, without paying rent, pushing out the public school that once was sited in the building. The charters can afford to pay their “CEO” half a million dollars, but they can’t pay the rent. They can pay millions for attack ads on television, but they can’t pay the rent. They can hire the politically-hot public relations firm SDK Knickerbocker more than $500,000 a year, but they can’t pay the rent. Their biggest boosters are billionaires, like Paul Tudor Jones, whose Robin Hood Foundation raises $80 million in a single night, but the charters can’t pay the rent. The charters are proving to be public parasites in New York City, invading the host and doing harm to the 94% of children who are not in charters.


So how has the takeover of public space been working out for the public schools?

Eva Moskowitz moves charter school into another public school's space, boots them from classrooms.

..."Staffers at the district schools say their new neighbors have booted them from classrooms and stairwells, while sharing the libraries, cafeterias and playgrounds.

...."Staffers at PS 30 say Bronx Success 1 sealed off the third floor to its staff and students - even taking over a stairwell - so Success students don't mingle with their district school neighbors.

"We are not allowed there," said one PS 30 teacher, noting the classrooms taken over by Success were formerly used for tutoring children with special needs. Now we have to do therapy sessions in the hallway."


Another NY public school was told by the charter school moving in that they could move to the basement.

Harlem Success Academy, whose current enrollment is 361, serves kindergarten through second grade; it eventually plans to expand to eighth grade. P.S. 123 has an enrollment of 630 students this year in pre-kindergarten through seventh grade.

The tensions began when the charter school first moved into the building, but increased this year when P.S. 123 lost its computer room to the charter school, as well as part of its teachers’ lounge and half its library, now devoted to Harlem Success Academy office space, said Hargraves.

P.S. 123 was offered basement rooms to replace some of the space Harlem Success Academy has commandeered, but “there’s no way a kid can learn in that environment,” Hargraves said, describing the basement as “no more than a storage area.” The school squeezed in classes elsewhere in the building.


Taking over classrooms, computer rooms, libraries, teachers' lounges....they've been doing it but now it's legal. Money to politicians, 5 million dollars in ads made sure of that.





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NY legislature: Charter schools get free space in public schools. Hostile takeover of public arenas? (Original Post) madfloridian Mar 2014 OP
In Indiana, the law is that the public districts must BlueStreak Mar 2014 #1
Public buildings given to private groups for free. madfloridian Mar 2014 #2
It's theft of the people's money. Giving away our tax dollars to Corporations, Defense Contractors, sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #20
..... madfloridian Mar 2014 #21
Some states overusing "underutilized"....skewing the numbers. madfloridian Mar 2014 #3
Well, it is a self-fulfilling prophesy BlueStreak Mar 2014 #6
True. madfloridian Mar 2014 #7
The problem is the flexibility of "underutilized" Recursion Mar 2014 #10
Let's understand what the game is. Nothing "works well" about any of this BlueStreak Mar 2014 #12
I can only speak for DC, which uses charters for something like 40% of its kids Recursion Mar 2014 #13
In our state and in most...charters only keep those who do well. madfloridian Mar 2014 #16
Are you sure about that? That seems 180 degrees off from what I hear everywhere else BlueStreak Mar 2014 #17
Being a neighborhood school with districts is NOT cherry-picking. madfloridian Mar 2014 #18
Of course it is. Only half the seats are reserved for neighborhood kids Recursion Mar 2014 #19
You must be talking about a certain area unlike most others. madfloridian Mar 2014 #22
k&r Starry Messenger Mar 2014 #4
Hey, thanks I missed that. madfloridian Mar 2014 #5
I know what. madfloridian Mar 2014 #8
It's not going away. Enthusiast Mar 2014 #11
Privatized education: The long awaited salvation for those poor waifs Jake Stern Mar 2014 #9
That describes the sensation pretty well.... madfloridian Mar 2014 #14
du rec. xchrom Mar 2014 #15
 

BlueStreak

(8,377 posts)
1. In Indiana, the law is that the public districts must
Sat Mar 29, 2014, 10:32 PM
Mar 2014

lease any underutilized buildings to the charters (even the for-profit ones) for $1.00 a year, and the public district is still responsible for the costs of maintenance. Charters took over 3 of the large high schools in Indianapolis (Arlington, Howe and Manual). That's $3.00 a year for facilities that are built for about 6000 students. I hear there are about 1000 charter students total in these 3 buildings now.

If I were the Superintendent, I would have been tempted to take a wrecking ball to those three properties rather than have to keep paying the maintenance while the for-profit charters get a free ride.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
20. It's theft of the people's money. Giving away our tax dollars to Corporations, Defense Contractors,
Sun Mar 30, 2014, 01:42 PM
Mar 2014

Security Contractors, Health Care Corporations, Charter School Corporations. And they are working on the big prize, the Social Security Fund.

All those public funds being raided for profit for, sometimes even Foreign Corporations.

But in many ways we deserve it. They must smile as they pocket the people's money, watching the people fighting among themselves, being led by planted propaganda, name calling, personal attacks etc.

One day IF the people wake up and see how they are being robbed, as OWS did, which revealed a crack in their plans, maybe something can be done to stop them, but with both parties helping them out, that will take some time.

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
3. Some states overusing "underutilized"....skewing the numbers.
Sat Mar 29, 2014, 11:03 PM
Mar 2014

Declaring some schools underutilized when they really are not.

 

BlueStreak

(8,377 posts)
6. Well, it is a self-fulfilling prophesy
Sat Mar 29, 2014, 11:10 PM
Mar 2014

Last edited Sun Mar 30, 2014, 12:32 AM - Edit history (1)

As they open more charters and cherry-pick students away from the public system, the buildings DO become under-utilized.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
10. The problem is the flexibility of "underutilized"
Sun Mar 30, 2014, 12:42 AM
Mar 2014

DC does this, and it's managed to go from doing it pretty well do doing it terribly to doing it at least moderately well again. I don't know that the space-sharing model works very well at all; what has worked somewhat well has been charters taking over completely unused buildings in lieu of a lot of their payment (this only works for the ones that already have an endowment, obviously). What hasn't worked well at all has been the district simply declaring by fiat some schools "underutilized" and requiring them to give up X square feet of instruction space.

 

BlueStreak

(8,377 posts)
12. Let's understand what the game is. Nothing "works well" about any of this
Sun Mar 30, 2014, 12:59 AM
Mar 2014

They cherry pick the better students so they can put out propaganda that charter schools produce better results. In fact, there isn't a single case I have seen where, when normalizing for demographics and revenue per student, a for-profit charter has produced better results.

In my state, they are able to play a game where they keep the students enrolled until Oct 1. Then the students that aren't scoring well enough, are behavior problems, or otherwise don't help feed the propaganda machine are "counseled out" to the public district. But the charter still gets FULL PAYMENT for that student as if he attended the full school year and the public district doesn't get a dime, yet is compelled to accept all the counseled-out students.

Every year they open another charter or two or 10, all playing this same bullshit game. That leaves the public district with about 2/3 the funding per student that the charters receive. So parents become dissatisfied and get in line for the next batch of charters.

That means that the public district has excess capacity. They can't have teachers with classes of 12 students and Principals with 15 teachers, so they have to consolidate. But the district is just as large as it ever was, so they have to spend about the same money on buses, gas and drivers even when the student population is dropping.

And then they have to lease those empty buildings for $1 per year to any charter that raises its hand, but the public district still has to pay millions of dollars every year for the upkeep on those charter buildings and they don't get a penny for it (well OK, they get 100 pennies per building, but nothing else.)

Talk about a rigged system, these goddamned Republicans (with loads of help from Democrats) have this system rigged from every angle.

On top of that, our previous State Superintendent (R) got caught rigging the test scores for many of the charter schools that were failing despite the huge resource advantages they had over the public districts. Fortunately that ahole got upended by a grass roots campaign that shocked the system by electing the only Democrat in statewide office here. That cheating Superintendent moved to Florida where he now works for one of those for-profit charter corporations. You can never kill the cockroaches. They just find new places to hide.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
13. I can only speak for DC, which uses charters for something like 40% of its kids
Sun Mar 30, 2014, 01:23 AM
Mar 2014

The cherry picking is much worse in the district schools, where a given percent of the seats are reserved for neighborhood kids (no cherry-picking) and the rest are open enrollment (much, much cherry-picking). Charters simply have to take all comers, so in that sense they're a way of avoiding the cherry-picking the district schools operate under.

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
16. In our state and in most...charters only keep those who do well.
Sun Mar 30, 2014, 09:36 AM
Mar 2014
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/8250

One school in this system of charter schools sent over 12% of its 2009-2010 class back to the public school district. Two others dismissed 5% and 7% of their student enrollment.

So there you have it...one set of schools getting taxpayer money gets to pick and choose their students, the traditional public schools don't get that luxury. If schools get public money, they should keep the students and work with them.

And so they get puff articles written about how very good they are, with not a mention of how they keep such high scores. The local school board has no control over them, even as their success rewards them by letting them take even more money from these public schools.


http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/6757

School Board member Frank O’Reilly wants district official to start tracking how many students are transferred from charter schools to public schools as a result of their grades, social economic status or behavioral issues. During a work session this morning, O’Reilly read a letter sent by Harold Maready, superintendent of McKeel charter schools, to a parent about their third grader who flunked the FCAT.

“Your child does not meet the criteria to be a McKeel student,” O’Reilly read.

If public schools were to reject students based on their academic performance, then they could be A schools, too, O’Reilly said.

“We must take every child that comes through that door whether we like it or not,” O’Reilly said. ‘‘That is a public school paid by taxpayers’ dollars, and I like to remind Mr. Maready of that.”

 

BlueStreak

(8,377 posts)
17. Are you sure about that? That seems 180 degrees off from what I hear everywhere else
Sun Mar 30, 2014, 11:11 AM
Mar 2014

Here, charters may nominally have to "take all comers", but they solve that by "counseling out" the ones they don't want. Besides, the fact that parents have to apply to the charter and attend a bunch of meetings assures that 99% of the ones applying are the more stable family situations to start with. The application process is de facto cherry picking in a very big way, and I bet your charters exploit that fact.

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
18. Being a neighborhood school with districts is NOT cherry-picking.
Sun Mar 30, 2014, 11:50 AM
Mar 2014

That is how most school districts are run.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
19. Of course it is. Only half the seats are reserved for neighborhood kids
Sun Mar 30, 2014, 01:28 PM
Mar 2014

The idea was kids from Southeast should be able to go to school in the Palisades. With the result that the "desirable" kids from across the river get cherry-picked, and remaining ones stay where they are. Lots of districts offer choice of district schools.

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
22. You must be talking about a certain area unlike most others.
Sun Mar 30, 2014, 02:40 PM
Mar 2014

Therefore I am not going to argue with you. As for myself, I believe most communities are served best by having good community schools. If parents want to send their kids to private or other corporately owned schools....they should have that right.

But NOT with taxpayer money..

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
11. It's not going away.
Sun Mar 30, 2014, 12:42 AM
Mar 2014

And the privatization of the postal service isn't going away. It's like Reagan's ideal plan has come to fruition. I'm thinking it sucks, on several different levels.

Jake Stern

(3,145 posts)
9. Privatized education: The long awaited salvation for those poor waifs
Sun Mar 30, 2014, 12:34 AM
Mar 2014

trapped in an educational Gitmo.

Side note: It's almost like nails on the chalkboard to see someone who proudly calls themselves "progressive" spouting the pro-charter talking points, bullet point by bullet point

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