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applegrove

(118,665 posts)
Sat Mar 29, 2014, 10:06 PM Mar 2014

Sorry, But There's No 'Law Of Capitalism' That You Have To Pay Employees As Little As Possible

Sorry, But There's No 'Law Of Capitalism' That You Have To Pay Employees As Little As Possible

by Henry Blodget at Business Insider

http://www.businessinsider.com/companies-need-to-pay-people-more-2014-3

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But, unfortunately, over the past three decades, what began as a healthy and necessary effort to make our companies more efficient has evolved into a warped consensus that the only purpose of a corporation is to "maximize earnings."

This view is an insult to anyone who has ever dreamed of having a job or company that is about more than money. And it is a short-sighted and destructive view of capitalism, an economic system that sustains not just this country but most countries in the world.

This view has become deeply entrenched, though.

These days, if you suggest that great companies should serve all of their constituencies (customers, employees, and shareholders) and that American companies should share more of their wealth with the people who generate it (employees), you get called a "socialist." You get called a "liberal." You get told that you "don't understand economics." You get accused of promoting "wealth confiscation." You get told that, in America, people get paid what they deserve to get paid: Anyone who wants more money should go out and "start their own company" or "demand a raise" or "get a better job."


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Sorry, But There's No 'Law Of Capitalism' That You Have To Pay Employees As Little As Possible (Original Post) applegrove Mar 2014 OP
when I took finance classes in the 70's.... steve2470 Mar 2014 #1
This. Jamaal510 Mar 2014 #2
I think to characterize capitalism as evil reveals part of our economic problem. rhett o rick Mar 2014 #6
Agreed. It's anthropomorphizing capitalism to describe it as "greedy".... socialist_n_TN Mar 2014 #11
"Anthropomorphizing", that says it. Thanks. nm rhett o rick Mar 2014 #15
There is if you wish to maximize profits. Starry Messenger Mar 2014 #3
Indeed, its the law of "If I don't do it, somebody else will" cprise Mar 2014 #4
He's wrong. Sadly, capitalism *does* drive wages to their lowest possible level - it's messed up. reformist2 Mar 2014 #5
Actually there is such a law of capitalism...... socialist_n_TN Mar 2014 #7
True, but for some reason capitalists don't count costs to... polichick Mar 2014 #9
No, because it's an undefined/unquantifiable cost and not on the books....... socialist_n_TN Mar 2014 #10
Which is a big reason capitalism sucks! polichick Mar 2014 #12
Which is why I'm a commie...... socialist_n_TN Mar 2014 #13
Me too - commie, another word for SANE. :) polichick Mar 2014 #14
I think so Comrade polichick........ socialist_n_TN Mar 2014 #18
You find that law in the Bible of Greed madokie Mar 2014 #8
It's the job of governments and unions to look out for the interests of workers. lumberjack_jeff Mar 2014 #16
I think the problem is that no one has demonstrably shown... Shandris Mar 2014 #17

steve2470

(37,457 posts)
1. when I took finance classes in the 70's....
Sat Mar 29, 2014, 10:43 PM
Mar 2014

the dogma of profit maximization was all in vogue. Being young and naive and scared to piss off my professor, I just kept my head down and got my grade.

Profit maximization, of course, implies paying people as little as possible. THIS is why unregulated capitalism is evil.

Jamaal510

(10,893 posts)
2. This.
Sat Mar 29, 2014, 10:49 PM
Mar 2014

"Profit maximization, of course, implies paying people as little as possible. THIS is why unregulated capitalism is evil."

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
6. I think to characterize capitalism as evil reveals part of our economic problem.
Sun Mar 30, 2014, 10:13 AM
Mar 2014

Capitalism is an economic system and itself isnt evil any more than a knife is evil. I know this sounds like I am being picky but believing that capitalism is evil goes along with the idea that capitalism is like a person and it isnt. Capitalism should be viewed as a tool which can be used for good or bad just like a knife.

Humans cannot live in society without rules. There is a natural tendency to look out for one's self. But to live in an orderly society, humans must some times sacrifice what's best for themselves to make the society function for the best of the society.

Also, it must be clear that when we say capitalism needs to be regulated, we mean "for the benefit of society as a whole" and not for a select few. Our capitalistic based system currently has lots of regulations, but they have been modified to benefit a very small, select few.

The SCOTUS did our society a great disservice in the Citizens United decision where they ruled that our Constitution restricted us as a society on how much we can regulate our capitalist system. They demonstrated their enormous power to overrule the Congress and the President. IMO this is out of hand. The SCOTUS has too much power (but that's a discussion for another day).

The argument that the capitalist (oligarchs) cant be regulated by society because it's not "democratic" is bogus. Our democracy isnt inherently laissez-faire. We as a society can and must control our democracy and economic system to benefit society as a whole and strip the oligarchs of their power.

Capitalism isnt evil, we must take responsibility to control it, by whatever means necessary.

Other than that, have a great day.

socialist_n_TN

(11,481 posts)
11. Agreed. It's anthropomorphizing capitalism to describe it as "greedy"....
Sun Mar 30, 2014, 10:56 AM
Mar 2014

It's not a person, so it CAN'T be "greedy". It's a system and it is what it is.

cprise

(8,445 posts)
4. Indeed, its the law of "If I don't do it, somebody else will"
Sat Mar 29, 2014, 11:36 PM
Mar 2014

...and then that somebody else will put you out of business.

That's why things like minimum wage and widespread union representation are important to society.

socialist_n_TN

(11,481 posts)
7. Actually there is such a law of capitalism......
Sun Mar 30, 2014, 10:44 AM
Mar 2014

It's the maximization of profit. And since (as we're often told) labor costs are the biggest costs of capitalism, then it's logical that keeping labor costs down maximizes profit. Now other considerations can override this law at some historical times, but everything else being equal, this is what we get under capitalism.

polichick

(37,152 posts)
9. True, but for some reason capitalists don't count costs to...
Sun Mar 30, 2014, 10:49 AM
Mar 2014

the environment, which are also costs to future generations - those are not reflected in GNP or anywhere else.

I wasn't popular in my college business courses when pointing this out decades ago.

socialist_n_TN

(11,481 posts)
10. No, because it's an undefined/unquantifiable cost and not on the books.......
Sun Mar 30, 2014, 10:54 AM
Mar 2014

until it happens. And of course by then, it's too late.

From a corporate viewpoint, when the time comes to actually count the costs of ecological damage and damage to the environment, then it becomes a stay in business/go out of business situation that is decided at the time.

 

lumberjack_jeff

(33,224 posts)
16. It's the job of governments and unions to look out for the interests of workers.
Sun Mar 30, 2014, 11:23 AM
Mar 2014

I used to work for a guy who who described the negotiation with the labor union rep "as a ten minute conversation, about half as long as I ordinarily haggle over the price of a car".

He wasn't a particularly nice or necessarily generous guy. He just needed a figure that he could plug into his pricing spreadsheet.

Granted, his business wasn't super competitive, but I think most business owners just want to know what the lower boundary for wages is. Is it the minimum wage? Is it what the union will agree to? Or is it the lowest offered wage at which he'll get qualified applicants?

If not the first two, then yes. He'll hire pay the lowest wage at which individuals will consent to take the job.

Griping about employers because they don't arbitrarily raise wages is pointless, and deflects the conversation from the people who are asleep at the switch.

 

Shandris

(3,447 posts)
17. I think the problem is that no one has demonstrably shown...
Sun Mar 30, 2014, 11:26 AM
Mar 2014

...that as a whole, paying the lowest amount of money actually runs counter to profit maximization. Note that I said 'as a whole' -- but there is a growing body of evidence, in the form of quality, well-paying employers, that is reteaching what people like Ford knew long ago - that it is possible to 'profit maximize' yourself straight out of business.

Unfortunately, there are the old, entrenched peoples who will never listen to that argument despite the best evidence, either because they are simply too set in their ways or because they don't care about a company's long-term health, and simply put we need to stop working for them. If our beliefs are right -- and they are, make no mistake -- then any company that can offer a similar product and pay better will put them out of business. So in that respect, yes, 'start a company' is a valid (if time-consuming) proposition. Ultimately it is the secret to their demise. It just won't happen overnight.

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