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Lilyhoney

(1,985 posts)
Sat Mar 29, 2014, 11:54 PM Mar 2014

When your father is an abortion provider...

Last edited Sun Mar 30, 2014, 01:10 AM - Edit history (1)

My father-in-law was an abortion provider until the day he died several years ago. He had his home shot at, a crazy ax-wielding priest attacked his clinic, people protested on the sidewalk outside his home and place of business, his children were harassed by school mates at the bus stop, and the churches made posters celebrating his death. These are just a few things he had to deal with for more than 35 years.

Mr.Honey and I moved back to his childhood town that he could not leave fast enough when he was old enough. Now a grown man and a father long gone we took a chance of being home.

We have not had any trouble being who we are with the name that we have. Until tonight. Mr.Honey went to pick-up a to-go order at a local restaurant we have been eating at for the past five years.

My family has been going here regularly for the past five years but after tonight we will not be back. It was made clear that due to our family's pro-choice advocacy we are not welcome. We will miss Lynette and Hop who always made us feel welcome. Tonight the woman who "helped" my husband with his to-go order advised him to go to church and informed him that nobody there liked to provide service to our family. My husband returned the food order and had his payment returned. If this woman speaks for this establishment then no pro-choice thinking person should patronize the Olympic. If this woman was not properly representing the Olympic she should be fired immediately. We never spoke of our freedom to choose while dining in the restaurant but our family name is known about town.

The above paragraph is going to be my Yelp review after I create an account. I have also posted this on facebook.

Mr.Honey is going to speak with the owner on Monday when they are open and get to the bottom of this.

I must say that there was concern moving here knowing full well the extent of the hate and violence that was inflicted on my family-in-law. Within six months of moving here I got pregnant. I was a high risk pregnancy and got to meet a lot of doctors at various hospitals and clinics. I met many professional men and women who knew my FIL and were grateful to have worked with or studied under him. We really missed Dr.Mr.Honey at this time because I was in need of help and care and he was one of the best in his field. Not only did he terminate unwanted pregnancies but he delivered thousands of chosen babies as well.

Thank you for reading. I needed to vent.

On Edit: And for the woman telling us to go to church, we are Unitarians and they fucking LOVE us.

Lilyhoney

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When your father is an abortion provider... (Original Post) Lilyhoney Mar 2014 OP
I hope this was just one extremist person, am sorry this happened to you. uppityperson Mar 2014 #1
So far it has been just this person. Lilyhoney Mar 2014 #3
It is difficult, making you wonder if the vandalism was because of the name or just uppityperson Mar 2014 #5
I have not seen the above movie. Lilyhoney Mar 2014 #7
Dear Lily PumpkinAle Mar 2014 #2
Thank you for the hugs and support. Lilyhoney Mar 2014 #4
Fight the good fight and stay safe. aikoaiko Mar 2014 #6
I'm Irish from the South Side of Chicago Lilyhoney Mar 2014 #8
It's a terrible thing in America that many women can't just get anonymous mountain grammy Mar 2014 #9
Thank you Lilyhoney Mar 2014 #10
Kick/Rec. nt MADem Mar 2014 #11
Please stay safe Hannahcares Mar 2014 #12
Kick, kick, kick! Heidi Mar 2014 #13
K&R. JDPriestly Mar 2014 #14
You and Mr Honey stay safe and well. I know you have friends and support among the UUs... Hekate Mar 2014 #15
My SIL is not only an abortion provider drmeow Mar 2014 #16
We so need more like your SIL PumpkinAle Mar 2014 #18
My impression is that drmeow Mar 2014 #19
That is wonderful PumpkinAle Mar 2014 #21
I usually send her clinic drmeow Mar 2014 #22
Thank her and her whole family for what she does. PeaceNikki Mar 2014 #24
As a woman and mother of three, PLEASE GobBluth Mar 2014 #29
kick and rec ! nt steve2470 Mar 2014 #17
Abortion providers are unsung heroes. smokey nj Mar 2014 #20
For every hateful person who acted/spoke about against your dad-in-law... ScreamingMeemie Mar 2014 #23
I am so sorry... and thank you. PeaceNikki Mar 2014 #25
K&R - nt Ohio Joe Mar 2014 #26
Thank you and your family! progressoid Mar 2014 #27
HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Mar 2014 #28
There are/were few abortion providers in IL. riderinthestorm Mar 2014 #30
It is sad that you are made to feel that you must justify what church you go to, if any. n/t whopis01 Mar 2014 #31

uppityperson

(115,677 posts)
1. I hope this was just one extremist person, am sorry this happened to you.
Sun Mar 30, 2014, 12:12 AM
Mar 2014

The doctor I worked with quit as was afraid this would happen to their home and family. Those who know, understand what these doctors do. Those who do not only fear what they fear.

Best wishes and hopes for you and yours.

Lilyhoney

(1,985 posts)
3. So far it has been just this person.
Sun Mar 30, 2014, 12:30 AM
Mar 2014

I am thankful that we have not been harassed prior to tonight. But it is something I think about when I give someone my name. It is the ones who seethe with their hidden rage that I worry about. I am welcoming to those who make it known that that is how they feel. Then I know to stay away from them.

We always thought this woman to be a bit rude to us and now we know the truth.

Even though we put our son in a private non-religious preschool I still worried that someone would cause problems. That is where my real fear lies. A few months ago someone shot out the windows in both mine and Mr.Honey's cars. I just assumed it was juvenile delinquents. But a little bit of me had thought that perhaps someone had discovered who we are. And then our house was egged.

Thanks for your thoughts and well wishes.

Lilyhoney

uppityperson

(115,677 posts)
5. It is difficult, making you wonder if the vandalism was because of the name or just
Sun Mar 30, 2014, 12:40 AM
Mar 2014

random.

Have you seen or heard of the movie After Tiller? I wish more people would see what actually happens. And yes, there are back alley holy shit "abortionists" like Gosnell who in no way follow the law or any sort of ethics, but in every line of work there are assholes. Excuse me, jerks. Oh darn. People who have low ethics. The laws are meant to stop people like him and he in no way represents much of what happens but is held up as the poster child. Sorry, preaching to the choir. And leave the rest of the family alone. Again, preaching to the choir and sorry.

Good luck, feel free to pm if you need to, am willing to listen to rants or ventings.

Lilyhoney

(1,985 posts)
7. I have not seen the above movie.
Sun Mar 30, 2014, 12:56 AM
Mar 2014

And I do feel that people should know what the doctors and their families might go through. I keep telling Mr.Honey that he and his siblings should write a book about what it is like to be a doctors child.

I see the protesters still hanging out in town with their signs and I am overcome with feelings that need representation. Which is the nice way to put it.

Dr.Mr.Honey filed suit against the state of Illinois regarding excessive and unnecessary requirements for ambulatory surgical clinics. The case reached the Supreme Court and was settled with an acceptance of some restriction.

After Dr.Mr.Honey died the clinic was sold to a practitioner who let the clinic fall apart and the clinic was shut permanently. So freaking sad.

And yes when Dr.Mr.Lilyhoney died FR danced on his grave.

Lilyhoney

PumpkinAle

(1,210 posts)
2. Dear Lily
Sun Mar 30, 2014, 12:17 AM
Mar 2014

I am so sorry you and your family had to go through this.

The small minded, ill-educated people who do this kind of thing can make life so miserable and they cause so much pain.

Your FIL provided a great service, he obviously was a very compassionate, well respected by his peers and gentleman.

Please hug your husband and stay strong.

I can only send you hugs at this time - feel free to pm if you need to

Lilyhoney

(1,985 posts)
4. Thank you for the hugs and support.
Sun Mar 30, 2014, 12:36 AM
Mar 2014

I sure will give Mr.Honey some hugs.

He is way less confrontational than I am. He called me as he left the restaurant and told me what the woman had said to him. I was the one who wanted him to take the food back and get his money back. He just wanted to eat his cheeseburger. But he knew that was what his dad would do so he did. He did not want confrontation but he is a good man who will stand up for what is right. So he went back in and refused the food and demanded his money back. Principals matter.

Thanks again for the hugs and support.

Lilyhoney

Lilyhoney

(1,985 posts)
8. I'm Irish from the South Side of Chicago
Sun Mar 30, 2014, 01:00 AM
Mar 2014

I love a good fight.

I did take a concealed carry weapons training class, but only have a BB gun which I keep locked inside a gun cabinet, inside of a locked fire proof safe with a trigger lock on it. I have a toddler in the house.

Thanks!

Lilyhoney

mountain grammy

(26,623 posts)
9. It's a terrible thing in America that many women can't just get anonymous
Sun Mar 30, 2014, 01:01 AM
Mar 2014

health care for whatever she needs. Wealthy women have no problems, usually the family doctor will take care of everything in the privacy of her office, but women without means are forced into public clinics for the world to see and scorn. What a bunch of crap. I had hoped with the abortion pill and morning after over the counter protection, public clinics would become obsolete, but here we are.

You and your family are in my thoughts. No way should you have to deal with this hatred. People have no business in the most personal business of other human beings.

Hannahcares

(118 posts)
12. Please stay safe
Sun Mar 30, 2014, 01:33 AM
Mar 2014

Dear Lily,
I am so sorry to hear that you and your family are being harassed and possibly in danger...when we moved to a very conservative area of TN, our family was "outed" as "progressive Yankees!" we were scorned in the neighborhood, our daughter not included in social activities, and I feared for her safety...so much hate and scary people wanting to cause harm because our beliefs were different...now with guns and violence more prevalent, please be careful and don 't take any chances. Sincerely, Hannah

Heidi

(58,237 posts)
13. Kick, kick, kick!
Sun Mar 30, 2014, 01:40 AM
Mar 2014

Lilyhoney, it is unconscionable that extremists continue to make life difficult for you and your family. It's probably not worth much, but I think I'm not alone when I say that I stand with you and your family.

Hekate

(90,708 posts)
15. You and Mr Honey stay safe and well. I know you have friends and support among the UUs...
Sun Mar 30, 2014, 02:13 AM
Mar 2014

...and apparently the med community there too. Hold fast to that, and I hope for your sake that tonight's experience was an aberration.

drmeow

(5,018 posts)
16. My SIL is not only an abortion provider
Sun Mar 30, 2014, 02:17 AM
Mar 2014

she teaches the procedure at a teaching hospital (at least, I'm pretty sure she does). She uses her maiden name and the kids have my brother's. She's in a relatively liberal location (a big city) but in something of a sea of conservatives.

Of all the right wing fanatics I hate, the anti-choice zealots are the one's I hate the most.

PumpkinAle

(1,210 posts)
18. We so need more like your SIL
Sun Mar 30, 2014, 12:36 PM
Mar 2014

she is an amazing woman to do this - and while she may not be thanked often, she is provided such a great service that is needed and will always be needed and I am in awe and appreciate those that can do this work in the face of the anti-choice zealots, who are ill-educated and would avail themselves of an abortion (in secret, of course) if needed.

drmeow

(5,018 posts)
19. My impression is that
Sun Mar 30, 2014, 01:27 PM
Mar 2014

she does get thanked a lot by her clients and she finds her work to be very rewarding. I think she does very little clinical work now as she has multiple research grants.

drmeow

(5,018 posts)
22. I usually send her clinic
Sun Mar 30, 2014, 01:35 PM
Mar 2014

a thank you card on "National Day of Appreciation for Abortion Providers" which is on March 10th but this year I was traveling and forgot. I also make a (pretty large) donation to Planned Parenthood at the same time (which I did not forget). I've also sent cards to the local Planned Parenthood clinic on that day.

PeaceNikki

(27,985 posts)
24. Thank her and her whole family for what she does.
Sun Mar 30, 2014, 02:15 PM
Mar 2014

Your last line (and this OP) made me tear up. Full reproductive freedom and access to services is my issue of passion. Too often Democrats here even on DU are soft on it. That soft support directly contributes to the steam the right wing has on passing laws restricting access. I was encouraged when the national party removed "rare" from the platform. We need to remove the stigma and own this issue.

I have so much love and respect for providers and their entire staffs. It's a noble profession wrought with a fear for what the lunatics will do. It's disgusting to me that they must live in the shadows while those wishing and doing them harm are in the limelight.

GobBluth

(109 posts)
29. As a woman and mother of three, PLEASE
Sun Mar 30, 2014, 07:11 PM
Mar 2014

Thank your SIL and Lilyhoney, thank your in-laws for looking out for women, men and families. I hope my weekly "talks" (ok sometimes daily now that I have a 13-year-old son and 12-year-old daughter) have allowed the thought to sink in that yes "mom and dad will need to freak out for a day, but after that we will advise and support whatever decision you and your SO make", but I am talking about young kids and hope to God, if for whatever reason, they can't come to me or husband, they are fortunate to meet up with amazing souls like both your in-laws. I was a lucky teen. Not smart or safe. I remember two times when I thought my world might be ending. Looking back now, years later, I know that wasn't the case, but it sure as shit felt like it. I felt desperate, I've never felt like that since and never want to. Even at 28. Married with two kids and finding out a 3rd was on the way, I did not CHOOSE to terminate, but was so thankful for days while I wrapped my head around it that it was an option. I graduated high school in 1997 and have 3 close friends who chose abortion and it truly was the best decision. 1 now works for PP and another volunteers her time at PP. Access to their choice made a world of difference and the world is much better off that these 3 young girls (now women obviously) were able to obtain a safe and legal abortion.

I have one girl and two boys. I thank you both and your families for giving my kids and their girlfriends/boyfriends access to their choices. Thank you for helping to enforce MY choice also. Amazing. Thanks to choice and birth control I am able to work easily and to go make a donation to my local Planned Parenthood. I'll use your user names.

ScreamingMeemie

(68,918 posts)
23. For every hateful person who acted/spoke about against your dad-in-law...
Sun Mar 30, 2014, 01:36 PM
Mar 2014

there are dozens of women who are quietly grateful for his care. They shouldn't have to be quiet.

I'm so sorry you had to deal with that.

PeaceNikki

(27,985 posts)
25. I am so sorry... and thank you.
Sun Mar 30, 2014, 02:18 PM
Mar 2014

and your whole family.

To repeat what I said upthread, full reproductive freedom and access to services is my issue of passion. Too often Democrats here even on DU are soft on it. That soft support directly contributes to the steam the right wing has on passing laws restricting access. I was encouraged when the national party removed "rare" from the platform. We need to remove the stigma and own this issue.

I have so much love and respect for providers and their entire staff and families. It's a noble profession wrought with a fear for what the lunatics will do. It's disgusting that you and they must live in the shadows (or with any kind of fear) while those wishing and doing them harm are in the limelight.

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
30. There are/were few abortion providers in IL.
Sun Mar 30, 2014, 08:24 PM
Mar 2014

Are you perchance in Northern IL? I'd love to meet you. I was active at
Dr. Jakubowski's practice in Aurora, IL as an escort. The man was a saint and hero in my view. I'm located locally and definitely understand the dynamics involved.

I had no idea of the problems involved for abortion providers' families for a long time. Naive me, I never dreamed anyone would go after their families

These doctors are HEROES in my view!!! To face the daily rage of the right wing... awful. And its not just rhetoric - its direct violent action.



Pm me of course if you want to.

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