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KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
Sun Mar 30, 2014, 09:15 AM Mar 2014

Crimean Tatars Want Autonomy After Russian Invasion (Been In Crimea Since 1300's)

Tatars are a Turkish Muslim ethnicity that's been in the Crimea since the 1300's. They were forcibly relocated from the Crimea in the 1940's by the Soviets.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/29/us-ukraine-crisis-crimea-tatars-idUSBREA2S09320140329

(Reuters) - The Crimean Tatars' assembly voted on Saturday in favor of seeking "ethnic and territorial autonomy" for the indigenous minority on the Black Sea peninsula annexed from Kiev by Moscow.

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The assembly subsequently voted in favor of his proposal, made in the Crimean Tatars historic capital of Bakhchisaray. Chubarov said he expected both Kiev and Moscow to react to the decision to seek autonomy.

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Tatars, an indigenous population of Turkic origin, were deported from Crimea to Central Asia in 1944 under Soviet leader Josef Stalin who wanted to punish the community for cases of collaboration with Nazi Germany.

They began returning from exile some two decades ago and pledged their loyalty to Ukraine, which gained independence after the 1991 collapse of the Soviet Union.

Crimean Tatars have seen a cultural revival in recent years and many are now strongly opposed to falling once again under Russian control.

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Crimean Tatars Want Autonomy After Russian Invasion (Been In Crimea Since 1300's) (Original Post) KittyWampus Mar 2014 OP
I think this might cause Mr. Putin a lot of headaches in the future. CanonRay Mar 2014 #1
I doubt it. Igel Mar 2014 #5
I chortled. Nuclear Unicorn Mar 2014 #2
Stalin's ethnic cleansing of the Crimean Tatars is casually left out of the narratives Bluenorthwest Mar 2014 #3
A summary of the forced deportation of Crimean Tatars here BeyondGeography Mar 2014 #4
"Russian Invasion" ? Seriously? That manufactured Neo-Con meme has been discredited.. 2banon Mar 2014 #6
Agreed. Russian propaganda is much preferable. cthulu2016 Mar 2014 #7
No, Russian Propaganda is not preferred.. 2banon Mar 2014 #8
are you going to excuse the forced expulsion of the Tartars too? KittyWampus Mar 2014 #9
This message was self-deleted by its author 2banon Mar 2014 #10

Igel

(35,317 posts)
5. I doubt it.
Sun Mar 30, 2014, 12:53 PM
Mar 2014

A lot of things have a happen of not being reported.

This is true in a number of countries. When opposition papers reported things, they were hit, hard. Investigated for all sorts of allegations--even if found baseless, they had their files removed, computers confiscated, workplaces severely interrupted. You try running a newsroom where every few weeks your files are rummaged through and trashed, your hard drives vanish, and for most of a day you're sitting on the sidewalk trying to meet deadlines. You learn what not to do.

Russia did this in the early '00s under Putin. "Inakomyslie" is a crime if media do it. Not reporting "correctly" on Crimea, it's suggested by official sources, is "inakomyslie." It's a bear to translate. It looks like it means "thinking differently," and does mean that. "Inak" means "differently, in another way"; "mys(l)-" means "think"; the -ye suffix makes it into a noun. But inakomyslie also stands as a synonym for "dissident-thinking" or "heresy", "deviant-thinking", not "politically correct" thinking. Anything that suggests you disagree with approved means of thinking, whether political, religious, social, economic, etc. Once the PTB have uttered its dicta, anything else is "inakii". Gay rights is inakomyslie. Crossing yourself in the wrong direction is inakomyslie. Thinking Lenin was an ogre is inakomyslie. Thinking Stalin was bad was inakomyslie; next day, it was not and writers were told to expose Stalin. There's always a learning curve when a new topic arises. So some media sources objected to the Russian incursion into the Crimea (they weren't so easily fooled by the intentional absence of a label saying, "I am a Russian" on the uniforms) and had to be taught that supporting Ukraine is also inakomyslie. They know now that such inakomyslie might be tolerated, barely, but they'd better watch it. Inakomyslie is not for the faint of heart in some cultures.

Venezuela set the line in a different place. But if you don't publish the truth, as defined by a moderately capricious government board, you run afoul of the law. You learn what "the truth" is and if "the truth" and the truth diverge, how much you can get by with. You are the enemy of the government, not just a political opponent in the arena of ideas.

China was open about it. Egypt was like Russia, but decided to go the more repressive route in the last 6 months. Ukraine's open, still, with a wrinkle: 90% of cable operators have dropped Russian info-media rebroadcasts, even if a number of sources still echo the pro-Russian viewpoint. It's okay to be pro-Russian, even more okay to publish in Russian; just make sure that the news writers and readers are Ukrainian citizens.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
3. Stalin's ethnic cleansing of the Crimean Tatars is casually left out of the narratives
Sun Mar 30, 2014, 09:23 AM
Mar 2014

that tell us Crimea 'has always been Russian'. Always means 'after the ethnic cleansing and the settlement of Tatar lands. Always means since the boxcars were filled with the indigenous locals in 1944. Within living memory.
The fact that this part of history is left out of some folk's narrative is unacceptable and it is propaganda and it is similar to denial of other human rights abuses of minority populations who were put on boxcars.
No matter what a person thinks of the current situation, the past wrongs should not be disappeared for the sake of anyone's agenda.

BeyondGeography

(39,374 posts)
4. A summary of the forced deportation of Crimean Tatars here
Sun Mar 30, 2014, 09:46 AM
Mar 2014
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deportation_of_the_Crimean_Tatars

230,000 deported, 109,000 died; they were accused of being Nazi collaborators (sound familiar?) and given 30 minutes to leave. Only 9,000 were estimated to have fought against the Russians.
 

2banon

(7,321 posts)
6. "Russian Invasion" ? Seriously? That manufactured Neo-Con meme has been discredited..
Sun Mar 30, 2014, 01:00 PM
Mar 2014

informing readers on geopolitical issues of concern is vital for a well informed electorate, please avoid Neo-Con propaganda or terminology ..... Thanks in advance.

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