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... was just informed that his daughter has started the long and difficult journey to becoming his son. His "loving Christian church's" advise to him?

Disown his flesh and blood.

Nice "family values" you folks have.



(Not trying to derail this important thread, it just tripped the thought of this personal experience when I read it.)

Luke 14:26, KJV.
"If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple."

Christ also taught that the church is more important than family.

Mark 3:32-35, KJV.
"And the multitude sat about him, and they said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren without seek for thee. And he answered them, saying, Who is my mother, or my brethren? And he looked round about on them which sat about him, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren! For whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is my brother, and my sister, and mother."

Your brother-in-law's church is following the words of Christ as they interpret them. The church's interpretation is not unreasonable, given what the Bible actually says.

Any deity or theology that would have a parent turn their back on their children is just plain evil.

The bible is a book of myths, nonsense, and assorted other fertilizer.

They're not making shit up, those passages are in there. They're almost certainly sincere in their Christian faith. They're genuinely trying to follow the instructions in this book.

It's the source material itself that is rotten, as you pointed out. It creates confusion about what is right and what is wrong, and it inspires good people to do evil things. But, they don't see it that way. They honestly believe the opposite is true.

All of that is why we don't want them imposing their rotten religion on us under color of law. If that makes them feel persecuted, so be it.

As a very wise person said, "Jesus, save me from your followers."

"Hey! All the rest of you are guests that we so magnanimously allow to pretend you're real Americans! How dare you act like like your foolish beliefs are normal! You're supposed to be deferring to us because deep down you know we're right! That we act 'holier than thou' because we are! That you're not real Americans, and you should stop pretending you are!"


Terminology note: don't identify these people as "Christians". They're upset that their particular sub sects of Christianity have been curtailed in their ability to run roughshod over everyone else. The subsets involved have a long history of not recognizing other Christian sects (including big ones, like "Roman Catholic&quot as actually "Christian".

It's a rhetorical bait-and-switch that they've done for so long that they don't even realize that they're doing it. And in situations like this, the ones who do realize it are quote happy to blur the distinction between their narrow meaning of "Christian" and the word's meaning for most other people.

Looks like those "Christians" aren't above masturbation politics!

He plows straightforward with the facts (yes, FACTS), and gives no regard to strange tribes that cling to their creation myths as literal truths (while their pickups, guns, and Facebook accounts hum right along in adherence with, you know, science).

that they are so damned sure of themselves. I mean it's to the point of closed mindedness. They freak that someone challenges their beliefs. Most are intellectually incurious. And I'm talking about family members mostly. One of my brothers once told me he's not concerned about saving for retirement because he expects the rapture to take place by then.