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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsIs North Korea communist, or fascist?
I was in an interesting conversation on another message board, we were discussing whether North Korea is a communist country or fascist country.
Most people agreed it's a "CINO" country, "communist in name only."
One person at the other message board said even Stalin never got as bad as the authorities in N Korea are.
treestar
(82,383 posts)They run on the principles of Juche which the Great Leader Kim Il Sung wrote about extensively in many volumes. Basically comes down to whatever Dear Leader says.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)As Treestar says, it's whatever "Dear leader" - a hereditary position - says.
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)It's never been fully implemented at a national level.
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)Communism depends on a fundamental change in human attitudes towards property, class, and hierarchy to be truly successful, and most importantly, a near global change in those attitudes.
It's hard to implement a revolutionary new concept when one's faced with incompatible attitudes at home and predatory powers abroad.
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)Pretty much what I've come to learn about communism.
DireStrike
(6,452 posts)just with different methods as to how to achieve it?
Can you explain what Anarchism means to you?
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)Whatever its intended end, communism begins as the enemy of people and freedom.
And isn't it kind of ironic asking for a dogmatic creed for something such as anarchism?
DireStrike
(6,452 posts)I think Anarchism is a possible solution to Capitalism, though my instinct is to say it is utopian. I am far from omniscient in matters of human organization, but I just can't see how to defeat a well-organized global system (Or at least, a global system consisting of well-organized states) without some organization of our own.
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)If people want to self-organize and create their own community that shares labor, resources and surplus I say, good luck. But if other people want to freely engage in competitive markets for personal profit I say, good luck. I would like to see people peaceably living their lives without regard for the busybodies of the world in such numbers that they are essentially ungoverned, except by their consciences.
I am not willing to accept the centralized tyranny of Communism to achieve that.
tarheelsunc
(2,117 posts)JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)it doesn't really matter what they call themselves.
The people have absolutely zero input, zero power.
Spider Jerusalem
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CJCRANE
(18,184 posts)Communism is where the state takes over all businesses.
Fascism is where big business takes over the state.
qazplm
(3,626 posts)it's more communist because the state owns all businesses.
However, it's also a totalitarian dictatorship (which is obviously not one of the tenets of communism (although in my opinion it's the unavoidable result of trying to implement communism because plenty of folks, being humans, won't agree to the ideals of communism)).
It's just a weird, unholy mix of all of the worst things. Heck, even feudalism was slightly better.
One hopes "Dear Leader" and the rest of his thugs get sucked up by a black hole or meet some other situation which removes them from the scene. It might result in calamity for a bit, but perhaps the aftermath will be better for the population. Sadly amazing to see the same group of people so successful below one line on a map, and so horrible above it.
Mnemosyne
(21,363 posts)qazplm
(3,626 posts)100000 percent, and how dare you show such a lack of belief in the Dear Leader by claiming he can only win a measly 1000% of the vote!!
Mnemosyne
(21,363 posts)madinmaryland
(64,933 posts)Mnemosyne
(21,363 posts)That's got me thinking, Romney or Kim...I guess Romney. Yuck, talk about terrible choices!
Mnemosyne
(21,363 posts)We live in very interesting times, do we not?
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)It isn't often that one gets the chance to vote for such an accomplished golfer.
Mnemosyne
(21,363 posts)Zorra
(27,670 posts)TheKentuckian
(25,026 posts)Hereditary absolute rulers, growing seemingly more mad by the generation is it's own category and discussing economics and politics is pretty much fundamentally dishonest because what it actually and functionally is an extraction system to transfer all wealth and power to a genetically insane tyrants. No matter what system is presented, it is actually a sham.
Zorra
(27,670 posts)Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)au·toc·ra·cy
noun \ȯ-ˈtä-krə-sē\
: a form of government in which a country is ruled by a person or group with total power
davekriss
(4,617 posts)Not communist, not fascist. Simply an autocracy led by the insane progeny of power-mad insanity.
cthulu2016
(10,960 posts)brooklynite
(94,588 posts)In as much as there is no private property or business ownership, I would say it's communist. In as much as it trumpets the importance of the State over the individual, I would say it's fascist.
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defacto7
(13,485 posts)That kind of communism is like a circle that goes all the way through the spectrum back to fascism; it's like fascism almost touching communism.
But then it's a imperial dynasty as well with Un being the newest emperor god in the linage.
It's just whatever it is, a mishmash of political positions.
2naSalit
(86,643 posts)Godhumor
(6,437 posts)La Lioness Priyanka
(53,866 posts)penultimate
(1,110 posts)I think it seems like a grand place to live. I've never seen a North Korean not smiling. As opposed to Baltimore, where no one ever smiles.
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)Sadly, these days it is often hard to tell.