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discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,479 posts)
Sun Mar 30, 2014, 04:11 PM Mar 2014

Philadelphia police dropped explosives onto row house

Now available on DVD: Let the Fire Burn

On May 13, 1985, Philadelphia police dropped two pounds of military explosives onto a city row house occupied by the radical group MOVE. The resulting fire was not fought for over an hour although firefighters were on the scene with water cannons in place. Five children and six adults were killed and sixty-one homes were destroyed by the six-alarm blaze, one of the largest in the city's history. This dramatic tragedy unfolds through an extraordinary visual record previously withheld from the public. It is a graphic illustration of how prejudice, intolerance and fear can lead to unthinkable acts of violence.

http://www.shoppbs.org/product/index.jsp?productId=34129526&cp=&kw=let+the+fire+burn&origkw=Let+the+Fire+Burn&sr=1

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Philadelphia police dropped explosives onto row house (Original Post) discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 2014 OP
Sounds completely waco NightWatcher Mar 2014 #1
pretty much discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 2014 #2
Waco adieu Mar 2014 #7
Post removed Post removed Mar 2014 #9
"Rapidly expanding gases." Iggo Mar 2014 #12
What would you expect from a politician? discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 2014 #14
I remember when this happened. drm604 Mar 2014 #3
I could write a book on this... PCIntern Mar 2014 #4
MOVE RobinA Mar 2014 #22
Painful reminder. bvar22 Mar 2014 #5
Kinda makes me think discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 2014 #15
No. I don't recall anything about that. bvar22 Mar 2014 #21
Yes Freddie Mar 2014 #26
They rebuilt the houses... discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 2014 #28
Thank you for posting. SamKnause Mar 2014 #6
You're welcome discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 2014 #16
One cautionary point... brooklynite Mar 2014 #8
You happen to be right about that PCIntern Mar 2014 #13
While wholly agree that MOVE was not some pure innocent... discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 2014 #17
Crazy BReisen Mar 2014 #10
Made me sick discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 2014 #18
Yay, Cops! Iggo Mar 2014 #11
umm discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 2014 #19
If I can't say something nice about the cops... Iggo Mar 2014 #20
Dropping a concussion grenade wasn't the best idea. PeteSelman Mar 2014 #23
"The filmmakers offer an even-handed account that shows how each side exacerbated the situation" snooper2 Mar 2014 #27
I think it was the PA state police who dropped the bomb IronLionZion Mar 2014 #24
Yes a PSP helicopter was used discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 2014 #25
I have to wonder Feral Child Mar 2014 #29
Are you sure? discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 2014 #30
 

adieu

(1,009 posts)
7. Waco
Sun Mar 30, 2014, 06:59 PM
Mar 2014

was isolated to just the compound. Yes, innocent kids and others were burned to death. But in the Philly MOVE case, people with no connections to MOVE were affected as the fire jumped from rooftop to rooftop. And that they did not even try to contain the fire was even more atrocious.

The Waco fire might have been started from within, and with live rounds of ammunition filling the compound, it was justifiable that no one from the outside dared venture near to stop the fire.

Response to adieu (Reply #7)

drm604

(16,230 posts)
3. I remember when this happened.
Sun Mar 30, 2014, 04:46 PM
Mar 2014

MOVE was a bunch of nutty troublemakers hated by pretty much the whole neighborhood, but none of that justified the ridiculous police overreaction which ended up killing 11 people and destroying an entire neighborhood. Something like 60 houses were destroyed by the fire resulting from that explosion.

PCIntern

(25,550 posts)
4. I could write a book on this...
Sun Mar 30, 2014, 04:51 PM
Mar 2014

I actually treated the MOVE members as a dental student...there were three of us who saw the family, as it were, at Penn's Dental School. I then knew a number of the higher-ranking police and City Hall officials later thru political action as well as some became my patients. You could add everyone's IQ points together and still have a two-digit number when you were done. The administration were the dumbest bunch of MFers I have ever met. Unbelievable.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
5. Painful reminder.
Sun Mar 30, 2014, 05:26 PM
Mar 2014


When I saw your headline,
i thought,
"NOT AGAIN!!!????


You know,
the USA and NATO will go to war with countries where the government kills their OWN people!!!
...especially if they drop BOMBS on their own people.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
21. No. I don't recall anything about that.
Sun Mar 30, 2014, 10:24 PM
Mar 2014

I was living across the country,
and I don't recall anything about that on our Media.

I have no doubt that the rebuilding was a Disaster Capitalism disaster.

Freddie

(9,265 posts)
26. Yes
Mon Mar 31, 2014, 10:27 AM
Mar 2014

Didn't they have to totally rebuild all the rebuilt houses? Bureaucracy at its finest.
Had the same reaction when I saw this post--no, not again!! Hoping the documentary will be available on Netflix.

discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,479 posts)
28. They rebuilt the houses...
Mon Mar 31, 2014, 12:25 PM
Mar 2014

...then they rebuilt many of them again.
Currently, Philadelphia Redevelopment owns a high percentage of them.

SamKnause

(13,106 posts)
6. Thank you for posting.
Sun Mar 30, 2014, 05:56 PM
Mar 2014

I look forward to seeing this.

I can not afford to buy the DVD.

I will have to wait until it pops up on PBS, satellite, or you tube.



brooklynite

(94,572 posts)
8. One cautionary point...
Sun Mar 30, 2014, 07:05 PM
Mar 2014

...while I don't endorse the Philadelphia Police Dept's tactics, MOVE was not a harmless bunch of eccentrics, and I'm not certain what tactic would have allowed the police to safely enter the building.

PCIntern

(25,550 posts)
13. You happen to be right about that
Sun Mar 30, 2014, 07:25 PM
Mar 2014

But I will say that they routinelyleft their compound and could have been picked up one by one for "observation" as we used to call it here in those days.

discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,479 posts)
17. While wholly agree that MOVE was not some pure innocent...
Sun Mar 30, 2014, 09:09 PM
Mar 2014

...bunch of sock knitters, I have a huge problem with the police using explosives and letting a neighborhood burn.

BReisen

(114 posts)
10. Crazy
Sun Mar 30, 2014, 07:11 PM
Mar 2014

I watched this happen live on the local TV that day. It was really horrible to watch as that house, and then all those others, were allowed to burn. Helpless feeling!

PeteSelman

(1,508 posts)
23. Dropping a concussion grenade wasn't the best idea.
Sun Mar 30, 2014, 10:30 PM
Mar 2014

But the scumbags from MOVE soaked the rooftops in gasoline and caused the fire to engulf the whole block. I know people with firsthand experience on this event and I wonder how much truth will be in this documentary.

 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
27. "The filmmakers offer an even-handed account that shows how each side exacerbated the situation"
Mon Mar 31, 2014, 10:36 AM
Mar 2014

from the description

Feral Child

(2,086 posts)
29. I have to wonder
Mon Mar 31, 2014, 12:37 PM
Mar 2014

Where did the cops get the explosives?

Police officers are not routinely issued C-4.

Did they take it out of evidence or requisition it from the National Guard?



It doesn't seem to be Public Safety equipment.

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