resolution in sight. And Latinos are just expected to keep the faith?

Democrats are taking Latinos for granted. This can backfire BIG TIME.

first year as president. He made this promise over, and over again.

HE was the one who promised. Latinos believed this promise and voted for him.

HE is the one who should not have made a promise he could not/would not fulfill.

Me explaining how it passes congress? That's just stupid. I'm nobody. I never made any promise. It was the president who did

Oh wait...

Seriously, how is beating up on this person doing ANY good for anyone?

I am friends with MANY Dreamers. They are frustrated, frightened and despondent.

Obama campaigned on Hope and Change.

So far, THEIR hopes have been dashed, and the only change they've seen are kids terrified to sign up as Dreamers because they would be admitting their parents are here illegally. These Dreamers believe they would be putting their parents on a list for deportation.

You aren't changing anything by the unmitigated gall you display by addressing your fellow Democrats with such abject disdain.

The problem is Congress. We need to fix Congress. You know what doesn't fix Congress? Yelling at Obama.

The NSA? The problem is Congress - we need new privacy laws, because the telcos and Google are doing far worse. You know what doesn't fix Congress? Yelling at Obama.

Global warming? The problem is Congress. You know what doesn't fix Congress? Yelling at Obama.

Help the 1% instead of the 99%? The problem is Congress. You know what doesn't fix Congress? Yelling at Obama.

So how about we focus on the actual source of these problems? That way we might actually get something done. Though that would require not yelling at Obama.....decisions, decisions.

when you learn that basic rule of politics, you'll be far more successful.

And learning that the Executive branch does not pass laws.

When you understand that, and stop yelling at the wrong person, you will be far more successful.

ETA: Assuming your goal isn't the yelling.

through the internet! LOL, you never know.....

When you stop attacking your fellow members of this site, you may earn some respect.

Until then, it's game on.

No one ever uses a word in any situation other than it's literal meaning. In fact, I can hear you speak through the NSA-installed bugs planted throughout your house, so I know exactly what you have been yelling.

Yet you still refuse to address any of the FACTS I presented which are actually ON TOPIC to the OP.

So why the hell did you come in this thread to beat up on fellow Democrats who happen to CARE about the latino vote?

Or cause Congress to pass laws.

plain and simple. You see, your excuses won't hold any more water out in the "real" world than they do right here on DU.

Instead, you're tossing insults and shoving your fingers into your ears.

Literally, of course. I wouldn't want you to think I was using any sort of symbolism.

over the last few months has convinced many of us that trying to have anything resembling a conversation, which requires critical thinking, with you an exercise in futility.

Not wasting my time.

I'm going to follow your lead and fling poo all over DU until you and your gang stops beating up on your own.

Don't promise things you can't or won't deliver on from the office for which you're running.

or income inequality or anything else but foreign policy and national security? Foreign policy and national security are the only areas where the president has the power to do much of anything, and on homeland security his power is really limited.

Just don't make promises you can't or won't keep.

Amazing how some believe making empty promises on a campaign trail is not big deal..

Boy, that's really gonna get laws passed.

Next you should complain how Obama gutted the voting rights act.

What I actually wrote had nothing to do with Congress 'blocking' anything, but was instead about people making promises when they didn't have the power to actually carry them out.

Because no such promise of dictatorial power was actually made. Obama never said he would seize power and bring about immigration reform.

You'd be better off watching Jeff and how he processes the workings of govenment rather than attempting to jump onto bandwagon of nothing more than knee jerk reactions that misdirect and misinform.

the President can't pass laws himself is too difficult for you to understand? It seems you are the one without a working understanding of how our government works. I wanted a single payer healthcare system and didn't get that but I certainly wouldn't let it keep me home on election day.

Obama campaigned on Hope and Change.

So far, THEIR hopes have been dashed, and the only change they've seen are kids terrified to sign up as Dreamers because they would be admitting their parents are here illegally. These Dreamers believe they would be putting their parents on a list for deportation.

chances for change in the area of immigration are better having the pubbies in charge, by all means, stay home. But then quit your bitching cuz nobody is going to care.

NOT!

BTW, the OP is about LATINO VOTERS, not me.

But, if your nastiness makes you feel better, you keep it up. I'm sure you'll help turnout during the election.

In the meantime, I'm going to keep encouraging the DREAMERS I know to GOTV despite the broken promises.

Unless anyone sits on their asses and doesn't vote. We've all got reasons to be disappointed - that would never keep me from not voting. If you think that's an answer, knock yourself out.

or do you just randomly fling poo all over DU because you're throwing a temper tantrum?

Never mind, stupid question. You actions make it moot.

that many people simply don't agree with you and that doesn't make them wrong and you right? If you think that's a temper tantrum, you must regularly head to the fainting couch with the vapors - that also would not be my problem.

What did Latinos get for all their support? Record deportations. A real kick in the face. Things didn't even remain the same, they got worse than ever. Is it so difficult to understand the reason for the disappointment and desperation?

You obviously think that'll help so have at it. I'm sure the pubbies will be much more sympathetic (you know, when they're not comparing you to drug mules and prostitutes).

or anyone else to BEG you to do something that people all over the world are literally dying to do, forget it.

they could care less if the Democrats win another election. Their hero won his last election, so no further need to vote as far as they are concerned.

Hell, the teapublicans couldn't be any better at suppressing turnout than these poo flingers.

I just find it amusing...and pathetic

but I've grown tired of it.

It's time to play their game, on their terms. And, if they want to attack, they're going to find that's exactly what they get in return.

That's why people vote. To get 'hard' things passed, meaning they expect those they vote for to FIGHT.

We've had very hard things passed in our history. They didn't get passed by making excuses.

Politicians fight for what they believe in. When they don't fight, the only thing the people can assume is, it just wasn't a top priority for them.

If you're arguing against fighting, I hope your view is a minority view in the Democratic Party.

No one is arguing against fighting for what you want to see in society. But there is a system in place to arrive at those rules and it is set in our Constitution and laws. To me, it sometimes sounds like singling out PBO to castigate and excoriate is an excuse to not tackle the very hard job of replacing some very bad legislators. Some one on another thread asked about why people do not come here to do more than complain but present "progressive" candidates to support or ideas or groups to get behind. I've asked that in the past upon several occasions. Continual complaining is just that--continual complaining. There is pie in the sky and then there is feet on the ground feel the dirt beneath my feet. Tilling the soil and seeding it is just as important as wishing for dessert. Someone has to grow them apples and grind the flour. I hope that metaphor makes my point.

Instead, you always reply against what is not actually in the posts. Instead, you fight the demons in your imagination. Every. Single. Time.

The lack of immigration reform is Congress's failure.

The lack of new privacy laws is Congress's failure.

The lack of single-payer is Congress's failure.

The fact that Gitmo is still open is Congress's failure.

And so on.

That has nothing at all to do with "hard". It's recognizing the correct people to yell at. Because screaming at Obama won't get Congress to fix it's fuck-ups.

They just didn't bother.

Unfortunately, the Senate only had 60 nominal Democrats, and a filibuster rule that required all of them to vote "yea".

The Senate did not have 51 votes to change the filibuster rule. It didn't even have 30.

So no, they bothered. They bothered the hell out of it in order to get Lieberman, Nelson, and the rest of the pseudo-Democrats to vote "yea".

Everything else is just excuses. And in any case, let's stop fucking around talking about winning this or that slice of government and just tell the truth: NO majority will ever be enough, there will always be an excuse and it will always be the same one.

Official votes are the only possible way to find out how a Senator will vote.

Putting something up for vote that is pre-known not to have enough yeas to pass is 'political theatre' and will disillusion people for some unfantonable reason. You can't win for trying.

I feel for the dreamers; but their only hope is to vote. If they let the obvious repuke strategy to alienate them from voicing their power at the ballot box work, then they need to take a deep look at themselves in the mirror. They need gumption, backbone, resiliency.

He promised immigration reform during his first year as president, had a majority in BOTH houses for TWO years, and still he didn't do it.

...after the GOP changed teh senate rules and started fillibustering everything.

Again, GOP takes action against Obama policy and then blame Obama for not getting it done.

I wish people would stop with the bullshit ass'd GOP talking points here

Don't see a Rep. in there. Or am I missing one? I doubt it, but one might be in the back.... yeah right.

this is what happens when there is futility being sown and fostered, instead of activism and hope.

DU doesn't work in a vacuum, and neither is it the sole causation for any groundswell.

Black and white thinking is so stupid, and the only reason I responded is because the question is so black and white I though you'd like to know how dreary it becomes to have them thrown out like it was a clear and "real" question.

and DU has absolutely nothing to do with it.

I know many DREAMERS.

Obama campaigned on Hope and Change, and immigration reform.

So far, THEIR hopes have been dashed, and the only change they've seen are kids terrified to sign up as Dreamers because they would be admitting their parents are here illegally. These Dreamers believe they would be putting their parents on a list for deportation.

Yes he campaigned, and the Senate passed a bill...the House buried it! What are his options now?

Go out to Latino organizations and EXPLAIN why he can't get it done, and what they need to do to help Congress.

Good lord, his bully pulpit is HUGE. USE it to effect change.

Thinking his supporters out on places like Facebook and DU beating up on anyone who DARES to bring up the broken promises isn't enough to get the job done.

but clearly you have no idea how legislation and Congress works. Your response clearly provides nothing concrete in dealing with a recalcitrant Congress. Your are just as excited as all get out to have another thread where you can blame Obama for something, anything. I'm just waiting for you say "Benghazi" to put that one last nail in the coffin. Go for it.

The poo is deep in here. Think you've flung enough around DU yet?

And, no, I expect to make that my daily question to you poo flingers.

Until. You. Stop.

on this thread: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4758347

I'm doing some serious "Spring cleaning" today. Off to the curb you go ...

ps Why haven't you put me on ignore yet? Your bombing so many threads with Obama hate, makes your motives very obvious.

Now that's rich.

Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

Shouldn't you and your Obama hate be hanging out in the RPG (Rand Paul Group)?

That's what sucked about your commentary.

Without a doubt, the 2 million overwhelmingly non-criminal immigrants deported under Obama’s watch would be enough reason for Latinos to mistrust his much-trumpeted compassion for immigrant families and his avowed commitment to immigration reform.

97% of all the deportees are from Latin American and Caribbean communities, and that 28 people have been killed by the Border Patrol since 2010 — the vast majority of them Latinos. They’ll also learn that because immigration “crimes” are now federal crimes, tens of thousands of people are currently in federal prisons for minor violations and, as a result, Latinos now represent the largest group in federal prisons.

“We want to make the community aware of the 400,000 people who are in jail, the thousands upon thousands of ICE raids of homes and even schools, the militarization of border communities, and many other abuses committed under Obama’s presidency,” Lovato said.

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/obama-record-deportations-tarnishing-legacy-article-1.1738544

that overwhelmingly house immigrants.

It is wrong. It is fueled by profit-seeking private prison lobbyists. And it is an abomination.

discussing. When someone takes away your freedom over some petty bullshit, you get a crash course in what's really happening in this country. We get into a lot of fights on this site over a bunch of garbage, but we hardly ever talk about our exploding prison population, which is far above any other country in the world. When you go to jail or prison, you realize very quickly that your freedom is the most essential right you have. If freedom is the most essential thing we possess, then why the hell isn't everybody in this country discussing this abomination we have in our midst? We never care about prisoners until we become one.

You are exactly right. Thank you.

I've now made this an OP: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024765010

I was at work yesterday when you started the thread, so I missed it. I went back and kicked it this morning, so I hope it shows up again. Great post!

Reform has to pass Congress. Congress said they would not take it up unless there was more enforcement. Obama added more enforcement. And Congress continues to refuse to take it up.

This, of course, is Obama's fault. There's magic pixie fairies he could deploy to pass reform even though Congress refuses to do so. Or if he "tried harder", McConnell would suddenly love immigration reform, teabagger challenger be damned.

Cut back on enforcement? Now Capt. Orange and the Turtle get back their excuse for avoiding it, and it still doesn't pass. And that failure to pass Congress would, of course, be Obama's fault. For not trying hard enough or something.

It's almost like we have co-equal branches of government instead of a dictatorship.

He needs to "lead" and use the "bully pulpit!"

But he should also give no more "pretty speeches!!"

And the GOP hates him so much, he really should probably "stay out of the way" more too!!

He put just about everything else aside to focus on health care and that's his one big achievement.

Some think that if he had focused on jobs and the economy until that situation cleared up, which it really hasn't, and immigration, which is still on hold, that he wouldn't have lost the House in 2010, and could have done health care in 2011 or 2013.

And it's not clear that much of anything he or most Dems want will get done in Congress until 2017, if we then can regain the House, keep the Senate and put another Dem in the White House then. (I think that we'll be doing good this year if we can keep the Senate, let alone win the House.)

There are executive actions he could take to stop the mass deportations.

It's one kind of disappointment to not get a law you want passed; it's a whole different kind to watch your friends and family members snatched up and disappeared into the immigration gulag, then thrown out of the country.

Republicans will latch on to the reduction in deportations as an excuse to not advance reform.

They'll claim "there would be no immigration problem if Obama would do his job!! And we need to pass even more voter ID laws so that those people don't vote.

And unfortunately, we'll need the votes of some Democrats in Congress who buy into that stupid framing.

except when they're campaigning.

Latinos aren't alone - young voters and many others join them.

But as soon as the campaign is over, Latinos are tossed aside over "more pressing, more important things". Meanwhile, Latino families are being torn apart like never before...well, many are not buying it anymore

Folks here at DU can rationalize all they want, many are disappointed and disillusioned.

on election day will certainly help matters!!! The very second I find out someone stayed home on election day is the very second their opinion ceases to matter.

The President has tried again and again to pass immigration reform.

It passed the Senate. The house won't take it up because it would be a political victory for the President. Not turning out in the midterms will make immigration reform less likely.

In terms of deportation the President has already deferred deportation who are dream act eligible.

when the media is owned by a few corporations that don't share a desire to shine attention on the subject of immigration reform.

in which I live (Central San Joaquin Valley). We have massive voter registration drives targeting Hispanic and Spanish-Speaking-only voters and we actually do a good job outregistering the Republicans. But . . . come election day, our Hispanic brethren and sistren don't come out to vote. I've asked over and over again why this happens and I'm told that they feel their vote doesn't count and with Obama as the "deporter in chief" it's difficult to make the argument that Republicans are worse. Families are being torn apart and they don't really care whose doing it -- just that no one is taking up the cause, or so it seems to them.

And yes, the registration is well over what Republicans do, but increasingly. "para que, no importa si voto. Why bother, it does not matter if I vote."

I hear this so often now, as a reporter. and I don't even ask, it's not my job. But since I speak Spanish, as a native speaker, I am told this, next to whatever we were talking about. The frustration is no longer under the surface.

Can’t see reform happening anytime soon, regardless of the POTUS this congress will never pass it and I mean never. The GOP are too worried about their basic as are democrats, the Tea Party would go ape shit, the ring-wing is not going to take that risk. Maybe if the Latino community had a movement as large as the LGBT movement or occupy Wall Street then some progress could be made, strikes and walk-outs something that caused and finical loss! IMO nothing moves congress but money or potential loss of money.

Progressives who voice criticism of the President are constantly harangued by the Democratic faithful because "we don't get every single thing we desire." That's not it all.

I, for one, am not just angry at the things the President didn't do. I understand the legislative sausage-making process, and there are some things that are bound to be compromised. I'm angry at the things that are done when they didn't need to be: push the TPP, suggest SS reform, drop missiles on women and children, prosecute journalists using the Espionage Act, execute U.S. citizens without due process, and deport millions of immigrants.

Ironically, they insist on leaving the criticism to the Republicans instead of making it themselves.

Deportations went UP during the Obama Administration. And I can't make a credible counter-argument because there is none. "Republicans are worse" just doesn't cut it.

Carlos Gutierrez, 32, echoed Mr. Sergio's comments, adding, "I was all fired up about President Obama until I was surfing the Internet and found a site called Democratic Underground. After reading several comments by Scuba, Will Pitt, and Manny Goldstein, I realized there was no point in voting and decided to stay home.

"The way those posters keep saying we should demand more of Democrats, instead of just accepting the moderate-centrist orthodoxy, well, that was just more than I could bear. Scuba, if you're reading this, I blame YOU for convincing Latinos to stay home."

(Hillary Clinton approaches the podium)

"I just called President-Elect Paul to congratulate him on his overwhelming victory. We threw everything we had at our ground game, but we were just no match for Scuba's DU game...."

Apparently I didn't, because I actually clicked through to scroll down to he 7th paragraph

You are important to the good of us all. The struggle must continue. The obstructionist GOP Congress and the fearful Dems trying to hold on to their positions in Congress are the main cause of nothing getting done. The President and the country needs your help to make immigration reform in its best form a reality. But this will not happen unless the grassroots Latinos get out the vote. Fighting hard doesn't get what you want overnight but not fighting at all never gets anything. Stay with the dream, stay on the team. VOTE!!!!!!

two million feel used, betrayed and feel they have nothing left to lose, and who can blame them?

people who you know for certain won't help your efforts is the better choice? I don't think so. And once again...Obama is not running for office...although I don't blame him entirely for the laws in place when he was elected and their dastardly impact on many immigrants. At the same time it wasn't 2 million people who had their families "torn apart" as you say...but whatever the number is tragic and the laws need to change. That change will not come about under GOP control of the House and the Senate.

all the while doing the shit jobs other Americans won't do. And what do they get from a Democratic president? Deportations at record numbers.