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Pirate Smile

(27,617 posts)
Mon Mar 31, 2014, 08:51 PM Mar 2014

Obama Told Military Leaders: Accept Gays In Military Or Step Down, Admiral Says

Obama Told Military Leaders: Accept Gays In Military Or Step Down, Admiral Says

In a 2010 meeting in the Oval Office, the president told service chiefs they could “go do other things” if they didn’t support abolishing DADT


posted on March 31, 2014 at 6:37pm EDT
Ellie Hall
BuzzFeed Staff

In a meeting with the heads of the five service branches in 2010, President Obama offered the leaders a choice: Support my efforts to end the military’s Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell policy, or resign.

In a video obtained by BuzzFeed via a Freedom of Information Act request, Coast Guard Commandant Adm. Robert Papp revealed that Obama was unwilling to compromise with service leaders over DADT during a meeting in 2010. “We were called into the Oval Office and President Obama looked all five service chiefs in the eye and said, ‘This is what I want to do.’ I cannot divulge everything he said to us, that’s private communications within the Oval Office, but if we didn’t agree with it — if any of us didn’t agree with it — we all had the opportunity to resign our commissions and go do other things,” he said.

Papp talked about the meeting during a Q&A session with U.S. Coast Guard Academy cadets following a leadership address to the corps on Jan 8. The admiral was asked how officers should respond to policies that they disagreed with but were required to enforce. “If I disagree morally with [a policy], it’s my obligation to voice that, regardless of the risk it might give my career,” he said. “I’ve been in those situations. I’ve been fortunate to have good leaders that have appreciated that.” Using himself as an example, Papp said it was OK for leaders to “not be thrilled” with a certain regulation, but if they didn’t “see anything terribly wrong with it,” it was their job as officers to support and enforce it.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/ellievhall/obama-told-military-leaders-accept-gays-in-military-or-step
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Obama Told Military Leaders: Accept Gays In Military Or Step Down, Admiral Says (Original Post) Pirate Smile Mar 2014 OP
Mahalo Pirate Smile! Of course he did! :) Cha Mar 2014 #1
Hello! Yes, of course, he did! Pirate Smile Mar 2014 #2
.. Cha Mar 2014 #3
Which Obama did that? The one who is SO disappointing to some people? vanlassie Mar 2014 #4
take a look through the thread. the only complaining going on is for the lack of complaining. frylock Apr 2014 #45
Which was exactly the right thing to do. Initech Mar 2014 #5
DADT was passed by Democrats to end the horrible policy that was in place at the time Bandit Apr 2014 #40
Thanks Springslips Apr 2014 #49
Follow orders or step down. Novel concept for military officers. Scuba Mar 2014 #6
There is another alternative used from time to time ... oldhippie Mar 2014 #11
Sadly military coups are not rare, but I do not expect that to happen here. Scuba Mar 2014 #12
Me either ...... oldhippie Mar 2014 #13
I've been out of the Air Force for almost 38 years, but a coup would have been unthinkable then. Scuba Mar 2014 #15
The Tea Party will be very disappointed to hear that Proud Liberal Dem Mar 2014 #21
We LIKE civilian control of the military. We don't have a problem with a Commander in Chief with MADem Mar 2014 #28
Thank you Pirate Smile! sheshe2 Mar 2014 #7
Don't post here much anymore but I'm always amazed how long it takes positive Obama stories to get Pirate Smile Mar 2014 #10
Ha! sheshe2 Mar 2014 #14
I entered this article in an OP at 2:00 this afternoon DonViejo Apr 2014 #51
Great! Sorry I missed it when I looked for it. I thought it should get a good reaction and I guess Pirate Smile Apr 2014 #57
It happens a lot with articles related DonViejo Apr 2014 #58
That's one good reason we have a civilian, elected, Commander in Chief Hekate Mar 2014 #8
Obama is the Commander in Chief Miigwech Mar 2014 #9
Kick & highly recommended. William769 Mar 2014 #16
K&R. n/t Tx4obama Mar 2014 #17
K & R for a tough president doing the right thing! mountain grammy Mar 2014 #18
This information is really going to disappoint President Obama bashers bluestate10 Mar 2014 #19
Don't worry! I'm sure they have reasons why he doesn't deserve credit and/or should be impeached for Pirate Smile Mar 2014 #23
Pretty ballsy and Leftist for a jazzimov Mar 2014 #20
Obama is Jamaal510 Mar 2014 #30
A few years ago, a rather extreme conservative I knew Fortinbras Armstrong Apr 2014 #34
They think all words that end with "ist" or "ism" mean the same thing. JoePhilly Apr 2014 #35
Well, he owned the room, and didn't fear the conversation going public, maybe. Orsino Apr 2014 #42
But I thought President Obama was weak? mikekohr Mar 2014 #22
He was a dictator that day. JoePhilly Apr 2014 #36
Thanks for the clarification Joe! Fox Gnu's confuses me sometimes. All the time actually. mikekohr Apr 2014 #38
And you forgot... Cheviteau Apr 2014 #44
Half Irish Too! The best of all worlds. mikekohr Apr 2014 #59
He's a Weaktator (n/t) Stuckinthebush Apr 2014 #47
"go do other things" lol - love that! polichick Mar 2014 #24
K&R for a President with the Right Stuff. Whisp Mar 2014 #25
Good! Iggo Mar 2014 #26
Obama stands in good company with other Presidents who fought with the MIC. Dawson Leery Mar 2014 #27
But I thought President Obama was forced into repealing DADT and didn't really want to! PragmaticLiberal Mar 2014 #29
Well, Putin made him do it. JoePhilly Apr 2014 #37
KICKITY KICK KICK KICK! Cha Mar 2014 #31
Another kick. Hekate Apr 2014 #32
Bravo, Mr. President! Drunken Irishman Apr 2014 #33
Obama lines up shots before he makes them? Recursion Apr 2014 #39
Good. Solly Mack Apr 2014 #41
Can we, now ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #43
People in this thread decrying the lack of complaint might be morons. What you fail to Ed Suspicious Apr 2014 #46
We all know that if there was a way to twist this into a negative, lots of people here would gladly Pirate Smile Apr 2014 #50
Do you realize how Control-Z Apr 2014 #52
K&R CFLDem Apr 2014 #48
Kick!! Control-Z Apr 2014 #53
mr pete & i kpete Apr 2014 #54
Recommend. nt Zorra Apr 2014 #55
Kick! tallahasseedem Apr 2014 #56
So happy to see this attitude. Auntie Bush Apr 2014 #60
What a whimp! AAO Apr 2014 #61

Cha

(297,692 posts)
1. Mahalo Pirate Smile! Of course he did! :)
Mon Mar 31, 2014, 09:03 PM
Mar 2014

"In a video obtained by BuzzFeed via a Freedom of Information Act request, Coast Guard Commandant Adm. Robert Papp revealed that Obama was unwilling to compromise with service leaders over DADT during a meeting in 2010. “We were called into the Oval Office and President Obama looked all five service chiefs in the eye and said, ‘This is what I want to do.’ I cannot divulge everything he said to us, that’s private communications within the Oval Office, but if we didn’t agree with it — if any of us didn’t agree with it — we all had the opportunity to resign our commissions and go do other things,” he said."

So much for all the whining about President Obama and DADT.

Initech

(100,104 posts)
5. Which was exactly the right thing to do.
Mon Mar 31, 2014, 09:25 PM
Mar 2014

Don't Ask Don't Tell was the worst thing to do. It is a horrible piece of legislation that was passed to appeal to Christian fundamentalist bigotry and should have been repealed a decade ago. Same thing with the "Defense Of Marriage Act" - denying basic freedoms is not American and certainly not constitutional.

Bandit

(21,475 posts)
40. DADT was passed by Democrats to end the horrible policy that was in place at the time
Tue Apr 1, 2014, 01:17 PM
Apr 2014

Gays were routinely arrested, jailed, and given dishonorable discharges. DADT was a HUGE improvement over what had been. Christian fundamentalist fought against it tooth and nail.

Springslips

(533 posts)
49. Thanks
Tue Apr 1, 2014, 04:14 PM
Apr 2014

I was going to say the same thing; DADT was bad, but it was a whole lot better than what was there before.

 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
6. Follow orders or step down. Novel concept for military officers.
Mon Mar 31, 2014, 09:32 PM
Mar 2014

Their mindset should be "follow orders or face charges".

Good on you Mr. President.

 

oldhippie

(3,249 posts)
11. There is another alternative used from time to time ...
Mon Mar 31, 2014, 09:53 PM
Mar 2014

... where the military removes and executes the person giving the unliked orders. That is NOT a novel concept.

Not sayin' it should happen here, of course.

 

oldhippie

(3,249 posts)
13. Me either ......
Mon Mar 31, 2014, 09:59 PM
Mar 2014

I spent my entire career with the military, primarily working with high ranking officers. The ideas of a coup or other extra Constitutional actions are really outside the thought process of almost all officers and NCOs.

 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
15. I've been out of the Air Force for almost 38 years, but a coup would have been unthinkable then.
Mon Mar 31, 2014, 10:00 PM
Mar 2014

MADem

(135,425 posts)
28. We LIKE civilian control of the military. We don't have a problem with a Commander in Chief with
Mon Mar 31, 2014, 10:57 PM
Mar 2014

little or even no military background, so long as they are good students of the issues.

Pirate Smile

(27,617 posts)
10. Don't post here much anymore but I'm always amazed how long it takes positive Obama stories to get
Mon Mar 31, 2014, 09:53 PM
Mar 2014

posted. It was posted in the LGBT forum but after a couple of hours I couldn't resist.

sheshe2

(83,925 posts)
14. Ha!
Mon Mar 31, 2014, 10:00 PM
Mar 2014

Well I think you should post more! Great OP!

Oh, yea, you noticed that the positive on Obama is a little slow to move. Some prefer spin with their glass of whine~

Not me~

Pirate Smile

(27,617 posts)
57. Great! Sorry I missed it when I looked for it. I thought it should get a good reaction and I guess
Tue Apr 1, 2014, 08:15 PM
Apr 2014

it made it to the GP but then kind of sunk which often happens with positive stories.

DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
58. It happens a lot with articles related
Tue Apr 1, 2014, 08:18 PM
Apr 2014

to the LGBTQ community...and, of course, good news about the Prez.

Hekate

(90,827 posts)
8. That's one good reason we have a civilian, elected, Commander in Chief
Mon Mar 31, 2014, 09:43 PM
Mar 2014

It's important we get the right one in office though, as you know from us having lived through the Bush/Cheney years.

 

Miigwech

(3,741 posts)
9. Obama is the Commander in Chief
Mon Mar 31, 2014, 09:47 PM
Mar 2014

..... need I say more. Progress comes from voting for progress. Get out the vote in 2014 ---- please --- help out your local Democratic Party

bluestate10

(10,942 posts)
19. This information is really going to disappoint President Obama bashers
Mon Mar 31, 2014, 10:37 PM
Mar 2014

on DU, republicans and teabaggers. In their minds, the President is all too willing to bend with the wind.

Pirate Smile

(27,617 posts)
23. Don't worry! I'm sure they have reasons why he doesn't deserve credit and/or should be impeached for
Mon Mar 31, 2014, 10:44 PM
Mar 2014

doing it.

Fortinbras Armstrong

(4,473 posts)
34. A few years ago, a rather extreme conservative I knew
Tue Apr 1, 2014, 11:53 AM
Apr 2014

Said that Obama was a Marxist, a socialist, a fascist and an anarchist. Leaving aside the obvious fact that Obama is none of these, three of the four are mutually exclusive.

I keep saying that ignorance of history, politics, economics and the real world are helpful to conservatives (and are required of libertarians).

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
42. Well, he owned the room, and didn't fear the conversation going public, maybe.
Tue Apr 1, 2014, 02:11 PM
Apr 2014

Not sure I'd call that particular stance gutsy...just consistent with a president determined to move the ball a few inches. I'm just glad he did it at all.

Really, really gutsy would have been telling the media what he was up to in similar terms--but that might not have been smart. Sometimes a little bit of chess really is the most productive way.

 

Whisp

(24,096 posts)
25. K&R for a President with the Right Stuff.
Mon Mar 31, 2014, 10:47 PM
Mar 2014

the next person who calls Obama weak, or any other awful names, I am going to laugh at their small pee brain idiotcy and ask them what They did compared to this strength and courage it took for the President to say this. And this is just One Thing, among many.

yeeehaaaa.

Dawson Leery

(19,348 posts)
27. Obama stands in good company with other Presidents who fought with the MIC.
Mon Mar 31, 2014, 10:49 PM
Mar 2014

Those Presidents include Carter, Kennedy, Truman, and FDR.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
39. Obama lines up shots before he makes them?
Tue Apr 1, 2014, 12:25 PM
Apr 2014

Shocking. And all this time I thought I could shark him at pool...

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
43. Can we, now ...
Tue Apr 1, 2014, 02:13 PM
Apr 2014

put to bed the myth that President Obama is a feckless leader?

Seems that he has no problem asserting his authority over those that he ... you know ... has authority over.

Ed Suspicious

(8,879 posts)
46. People in this thread decrying the lack of complaint might be morons. What you fail to
Tue Apr 1, 2014, 03:04 PM
Apr 2014

understand is that it isn't personal for critics of the administration. We take the issues as they come. When the admin works as we hope and expect. Pat on the back, that's the guy I voted for. We don't complain just to hear ourselves bitch. We complain to let people in the bubble know that thier allies are displeased with off-the-mark actions and we will not suffer it quietly.

Pirate Smile

(27,617 posts)
50. We all know that if there was a way to twist this into a negative, lots of people here would gladly
Tue Apr 1, 2014, 07:41 PM
Apr 2014

do it. This happens to be the rare story not very susceptible to that.

kpete

(72,022 posts)
54. mr pete & i
Tue Apr 1, 2014, 08:00 PM
Apr 2014

think Obama will go down as one of the greats
because of Equal Rights & ACA

not happy about everything, whine, whine, whine and more wine
but we know what he has been up against....
we happy with our vote for him, especially considering the alternatives

peace,
kp

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