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ProSense

(116,464 posts)
Wed Apr 2, 2014, 08:53 AM Apr 2014

Krugman: A Big Biden Deal

A Big Biden Deal

Now that Obamacare has finished with an amazing surge in signups, apparently passing the 7 million mark for the exchanges, there have been two main responses. Republicans are in full-on denial — the books are cooked! Nobody has paid! It’s only because people have been forced to do it! Benghazi! Vince Foster! Meanwhile, progressives are full of caution. It’s just a start, we don’t know how well this will work in the longer run...The right-wing reaction is, of course, ludicrous. But the cautious progressives are being too cautious. This really is what Joe Biden would have called a Big Frothing Deal, or something like that.

The key question you need to ask is, what would make Obamacare fail if it did fail?

Contrary to what the right has been saying, there’s nothing at all wrong with the concept of a government guarantee of health insurance — every other advanced country does it, and they all have much cheaper care than we do. The question, instead, was whether the compromises made to get past the political barriers to universal insurance had produced a system too complex to work.

I’ve always thought of Obamacare as a sort of Rube Goldberg device that awkwardly simulates the results of a single-payer system. It’s run through private insurance companies in part to buy off the industry, in part to let most people with good insurance keep it. It relies on a mandate plus subsidies, rather than full funding via the tax system, in part to keep down the headline spending number. And so on. The resulting system isn’t what anyone would design from scratch; it was, however, probably the only kind of system we could get.

So, the risk was that it would be too Rube Goldbergy...But now we know: despite the initial botch, despite difficulty getting the word out to Latinos and others, we have a lot of people signing up. And that was the hard part. When the next signup window opens, even more of the bugs will have been worked out, and many people who didn’t sign up for 2014 will be hearing word-of-mouth stories about the benefits.

We’ve had proof of concept, and that means we’re over the hump. This was a very big day.

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/04/01/a-big-biden-deal

Yup, a "very big day." It's a BFD!

Bernie Sanders' recent statement on the ACA: “This is a big, big deal.”
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024765617

Obama: 'There Are Still No Death Panels. Armageddon Has Not Arrived.' 'Time To Get Over It'
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024765888

Obamacare Cuts Kentucky's Uninsured Rate By 40 Percent
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024764635

Obamacare Enrollment Is Far From Over
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024764970

A Brief History: Universal Health Care Efforts in the US
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024755799

The Revolution Will Not Be Televised - The Obamacare Photos the MSM Doesn't Want You to See
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024761330




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Krugman: A Big Biden Deal (Original Post) ProSense Apr 2014 OP
So far I like it Skink Apr 2014 #1
Could you imagine ProSense Apr 2014 #2
My daughter's plan is $60 a month dem in texas Apr 2014 #3
And it's going to be an even bigger f-ing deal! Grins Apr 2014 #4
Yes, and that ProSense Apr 2014 #5

Skink

(10,122 posts)
1. So far I like it
Wed Apr 2, 2014, 09:14 AM
Apr 2014

the republicans did their best to make us think it was to difficult things weren't working etc and....They just proved how worthless they are.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
2. Could you imagine
Wed Apr 2, 2014, 09:40 AM
Apr 2014

"So far I like it the republicans did their best to make us think it was to difficult things weren't working etc and....They just proved how worthless they are."

...what it would have been like if the enrollment hadn't climbed above 6 million? The negative spin conflating enrollment with the features of the law would have reached fever pitch. Like the glitches, those who have been rooting for the law to fail or attacking it at every turn would have happily piled on.

It has been fascinating to watch the constant maligning of a law designed to help every American, and while not fully implemented until this year, has been helping millions of children with pre-existing conditions for years.

It wasn't enough to point out where it could be strengthened, they had to try to turn people away or portray it as flawed enough to warrant repeal.

Republicans still blocking the Medicaid expansion don't seem to care that people's lives are at stake.

dem in texas

(2,674 posts)
3. My daughter's plan is $60 a month
Wed Apr 2, 2014, 09:49 AM
Apr 2014

My daughter was paying $325 a month with poor coverage and large deductibles. She had to drop the plan because she could no longer pay the monthly premium. Now with ACA, she has better coverage, lower deductibles and it runs $60 a month.

What a great day when the ACA went into effect, it will help so many people. How can Republicans be against it? How can the Republican governors, who all love to brag about what good Christians they are, deny Medicaid coverage to the working poor in their states? Yes, ACA is a great thing.

Now the work begins to protect it. First out the door is to vote this fall so the Dem's don't lose the majority in the Senate.

Grins

(7,234 posts)
4. And it's going to be an even bigger f-ing deal!
Wed Apr 2, 2014, 10:31 AM
Apr 2014
"...despite the initial botch, despite difficulty getting the word out to Latinos and others, we have a lot of people signing up"

And a LOT more are coming!

Every year, about 7 million Americans move in and out of insurance coverage, usually from the loss or change in jobs. So they go to COBRA. There, they get whacked by expensive premiums they can't afford. Now, here's the key:

Under Obamacare, the loss of insurance coverage is a “qualifying event” that allows individuals to purchase insurance on their state exchange even after the open enrollment deadline.

You can estimate that a few million more will enroll between now and the next enrollment period, and for every year after that, people who will be "appreciative voters".

And that's what the GOP really fears, and has feared since 1993 when Bill "The Bloody" Kristol got conservatives into overdrive over Clinton-Care.

GOP! You fucked up! Bwahahahahahahahaha!



ProSense

(116,464 posts)
5. Yes, and that
Wed Apr 2, 2014, 01:43 PM
Apr 2014

"And a LOT more are coming! "

...that includes new Medicaid enrollees.

The Obamacare counting doesn't end at 7 million
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024768984

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