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phantom power

(25,966 posts)
Wed Apr 2, 2014, 12:10 PM Apr 2014

Frontrunning and High-Frequency-Trading

Michael Lewis is all over the place--60 Minutes and Jon Stewart--with a story that's long overdue. It's been obvious that "High Frequency Trading" is a euphemism for front-running. Front-running generally occurs when a brokerage firm places an order for its own account in front of a large customer order, harvesting the uptick or downtick of the order before anyone else can, and increasing the cost of filling the customer order. This is insider trading, and illegal.

In the case of HFT, trading firms obtain the order information after it's been placed, but before it's executed, front-running literally by having a shorter length of optical fiber connecting them to the exchange doing the execution than the customer's.

This is what economists would call a dead-weight loss.

http://www.eschatonblog.com/2014/04/frontrunning.html
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Frontrunning and High-Frequency-Trading (Original Post) phantom power Apr 2014 OP
my understanding is that they are relying on some technicalities. unblock Apr 2014 #1
It's all about controlling the Bid to Ask priceing. Wellstone ruled Apr 2014 #2

unblock

(52,331 posts)
1. my understanding is that they are relying on some technicalities.
Wed Apr 2, 2014, 12:21 PM
Apr 2014

they are not literally front-running, that is, using explicit knowledge of other incoming orders to place themselves ahead of the market. that is explicitly illegal.

instead, they use complicated algorithms to predict what the market will do in the next few seconds, then they beat others to the punch by relying on their fast connections.

an example might be on the day of a fed announcement, if the market suddenly starts to swing up at the time of the expected announcement, the first in with a "buy" are the winners. the dow might go up 100 points in a manner of seconds. for most of us it's too late by the time you get your order in, you're buying when the market is already 100 points up. but these guys can detect it when the market is only maybe 10 points up and get in near the bottom and sell a few second later and pick up most of the 100 points gain.

you could call it front-running in the aggregate but it's not done with specific knowledge of specific incoming buy orders.

from an economic and moral sense, there's not much difference. they're gaining because they have an unfair advantage, faster access to the markets. but from a legal sense, they probably have a good defense.

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
2. It's all about controlling the Bid to Ask priceing.
Wed Apr 2, 2014, 01:11 PM
Apr 2014

You want to eliminate this crap,adopt the full cent or nickel rule. The allowing of fractional cent rule just caused all kinds of possible price manipulations.

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