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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWhite America Is Oblivious to the Truth About Black Poverty
http://www.alternet.org/civil-liberties/white-america-oblivious-truth-about-black-povertyTheres been a fascinating debate over the past few weeks between Ta-Nehisi Coates from the Atlantic and New York magazines Jonathan Chait regarding the language President Obama employs in addressing African-American communities. Obamas been criticized by Coates and other supporters for using rhetoric that reinforces the belief shared by many on the right, that personal initiative and hard work is sufficient to overcome the obstacles confronting many young black men despite the continued existence of institutional racism in education, employment, healthcare, criminal justice and civic participation (to name a few).
Chait replied with, I agree that racial discrimination persists, but I dont believe this fact abnegates the possibility that a culture of poverty exists as well. Chait believes President Obama is uniquely suited to speak to black people about changing self-destructive behavior:
But Coates is committing a fallacy by assuming that Obamas exhortations to the black community amount to a belief that personal responsibility accounts for a major share of the blame. A person worries about the things that he can control. .Obamas habit of speaking about this issue primarily to black audiences is Obama seizing upon his role as the most famous and admired African American in the world to urge positive habits and behavior.
In the most recent volley of exchanges, Chait takes Coates to task for ascribing views to him he does not hold. The column is titled: Ta-Nehisi Coates Disagrees With Jonathan Chait, and So Do I. Chait states clearly he does not equate black culture with a "culture of poverty" as do Bill OReilly and many on the right, but he does see a link between persistent poverty and culture.
So let me explain what I do think. The culture of poverty is not solely or even primarily a black problem. It is a problem arising from concentrated poverty, and as a result of both historic and ongoing racism concentrated poverty disproportionately afflicts African-American communities. Obama understands that he commands prestige that can make him an inspirational figure in say, poor black neighborhoods in Chicago that he lacks in, say, poor white towns in West Virginia. As Ive said, I understand Coates practical objections to this tactic.
The reaction Ive seen online to this debate suggests a lot of readers on both sides investing a great deal of broader meanings into it identity, authenticity, yet another endless iteration of the meta question of How We Talk About Race. I have no interest in playing a role in that drama. What interests me is a real and vital public-policy debate over the relationship between culture and poverty.
***the debate between coates and chait has been fascinating.
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White America Is Oblivious to the Truth About Black Poverty (Original Post)
xchrom
Apr 2014
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Laelth
(32,017 posts)1. k&r for the truth, however depressing it may be. n/t
-Laelth
Larry the Cable Dude
(56 posts)2. How about the white Democrats who care?
Blanket statements are weak.
xchrom
(108,903 posts)3. 'caring' is nice.
i'm not sure it has anything to do with getting as it relates to african american poverty -- and the very steep walls of structural racism.
seveneyes
(4,631 posts)4. Not all of White America
There are plenty of White Americans who have their own rough patch of ground to hoe. They know all too well the environment of poverty and hardship. Misery has no distinct lines, yet it always has contrast.
840high
(17,196 posts)5. In my area - 2 women
who live out of a shopping cart are both white.
Omnith
(171 posts)6. I think with each new generation racism is reduced.
I think the children of today do not encounter as much racism as their parents did. Just my observation, but I think it is encouraging.