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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsEleanors38
(18,318 posts)but given what little I have to work with, maybe I should alter myself to lessen the pain.
VWolf
(3,944 posts)waddirum
(979 posts)I really like her and think that she's got it going "on".
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)billhicks76
(5,082 posts)Too many Dems are in the pockets of the banks and drug war industrial complex. Not nearly as many as Republicans but we need to separate even further from them. Democrats in the Justice Dept like Lanny Breuer made a mockery of decency, justice and fairness by letting HSBC bankers walk free for knowingly laundering billions for murderous cartels while targeting harmless US marijuana entrepreneurs even in states where it's legal. It's beyond disgusting and anyone on our team participating in these kinds of frauds should be purged immediately. The times aren't a changin'...they have already changed but greedy sellouts are holding the new paradigm back. The Bidens and Breuer types are not merely antiquated but are actively supporting criminal behavior while pretending to help families. The drug war(all drugs) had damaged families, justice, truth and wellness more than any drug itself could ever do. Time for talk and rants is over...call your representatives and hold their feet to the fire. We don't need more studies, waiting periods or moratoriums...ACT NOW...please.
mucifer
(23,565 posts)WillyT
(72,631 posts)mountain grammy
(26,648 posts)Moostache
(9,897 posts)If you're a Wall Street criminal, you go to "work" and steal money all day long (apparently while high in the first place), do the entire ounce of cocaine before 10 PM, have sex with several hookers at a seedy after hours club, nearly crash you helicopter into the pool and then sleep in your own bed (or on the couch or floor or wherever else you might pass out)...they are all scumbags of the highest order and the fact that they are rewarded for their anti-social tendencies is sickening, but the whole sordid tale of Jordan Belfort and the rest of the ethos of Wall Street makes me sick.
Modern day fall of Rome...and we get to live it on the outside looking in as these greedy, soulless bastards destroy the world and run America into the ground for their own amusement...and as if that was not enough I just got done seeing that one of the Koch-suckers wrote an Op-ed piece defending himself and bemoaning people saying bad things about him....oh clutch the pearls!!!
Stop the world already, I want to get off.
Divernan
(15,480 posts)Bankers are so thin-skinned! They were so pissed off O called them "fat cats", he had to really suck up to keep those donations coming in. Good grief! Wasn't it enough that they were bailed out with none of them being tried, convicted and jailed?
http://www.toobighasfailed.org/2013/05/17/quotes-about-wall-street/
You want to know who owns America? A few at the top. And theyve got one thing on their mind. No change. Look at Obama, all that hope and promise. No change. He went to Wall Street, had a fundraiser$35,800 a ticketand you know who the host was? Goldman friggin Sachs.
http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2011/06/23/wall-streets-dinner-with-obama-hold-the-scorn/?_php=true&_type=blogs&_r=0
A similar benefit was held in April at the home of the wife of Jon Corzine, the ex-governor of New Jersey and former chief executive of Goldman Sachs. Both events are part of a concerted effort to lure deep-pocketed donors back to Mr. Obamas corner for his 2012 re-election campaign. Some longtime Democrats in the finance community, angered by Mr. Obamas comparisons of Wall Street executives to fat cats with outsize bonuses, have chafed at Mr. Obamas attempt at an election-year rapprochement, and only a handful of bank executives appear as donors in recent filings connected to the campaign.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)And some DUers wonder why we criticize some of Obama's policies and actions.
Talks good talk. Doesn't follow through. Unwilling to make the sacrifices needed to do what is right and fair.
It isn't about the prison time. It's about getting new management, honest people, on Wall Street.
There is no way that bankers and brokers failed to notice that housing prices were rising at astronomically higher rates than wages. And that discrepancy, that one right there, is what told any intelligent person that the housing market was a huge bubble waiting to burst.
You didn't need more than the power of observation and your feet on solid ground -- an awareness of reality -- to know that the bubble would burst.
The only explanation for the bubble and the resulting recession is that bankers and brokers saw it coming, thought they would win the game of chicken by pulling out first, and knowingly allowed it to happen. As they were playing the game, the bankers and brokers enjoyed the feeling of being on a roller coaster -- the thrill of playing against the clock for big stakes.
Reckless gamblers.
And, what is more, they lied. They lied. They covered up. Because they had the numbers. It's easy to look at wage scales and then at housing prices. My neighbor and I did it as we watched houses for which we had paid modest sums sold by our neighbors for far more. The bankers and brokers and, yes, the appraisers, had to know that the market was a bubble, that a crash was imminent.
They played for big stakes, and then when it was over, they came running to the taxpayers to make them whole. Big, rich bankers begging from the poor and middle class. And then taking big bonuses.
What's more. A lot of the investors and bankers and brokers DON'T PAY A FAIR SHARE OF THE TAXES BECAUSE OF THE CARRIED INTEREST DEDUCTION. Should be ashamed of themselves.
Worse yet, even though many of them supported Obama, they now support the austerity program -- for everyone but themselves.
What a bunch of crooks. Pure and simple -- crooks.
They may claim they didn't know everything would crash. But they should have known. Any claim that they did not know just demonstrates better than anything their incompetence which makes them unsuited to run banks or brokerages.
If, as the Justice Department claims, the US government needs to update its laws to make this kind of fraud punishable, it should do so as soon as possible. It should be criminal to gamble so recklessly and then claim compensation for the losses from the taxpayers. Just hideous. And it will happen again because too few bankers, too few brokers have lost their jobs for this scam.
Comrade Grumpy
(13,184 posts)JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)DesertRat
(27,995 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)reformist2
(9,841 posts)TeeYiYi
(8,028 posts)TYY
blue14u
(575 posts)My head is still spinning from the theft of so many homes lost to innocent
and unknowing people. Lives turned completely upside down and not one person
seriously held accountable. We have still not recovered as a Nation and may
never will..
How wrong. How incredibly sad. How grossly arrogant of them!
Elizabeth Warren for President 2016!!!!
Plucketeer
(12,882 posts)For one of the two classiest acts in the senate.
RandallBurns
(5 posts)Cocaine is intimately linked to financial fraud beyond just the dollars it generates.
http://www.theguardian.com/business/shortcuts/2013/apr/15/cocaine-bankers-global-financial-crisis
I have personally seen some of this stuff working on investigation of financial profesionals.
(I spent two years on this one).
http://www.floridatrend.com/article/13701/riscorp-what-happened
I favor ceasing the war on drugs--legalizing or decriminalizing virtually all drugs--but that doesn't mean we can't regulate
folks like like elected officials, licensed professionals, and officers of publicly traded companies-and for that matter the police and prison guards.
Much legal malpractice is associated with cocaine or alcohol abuse. The tests exist to measure alcohol use over a 90 day period now also
(See Substance Abuse and Attorney Discipline, by John P. Ratnaswamy, The Bencher, September/October 2011)
Why shouldn't leaders be held to high standards?
We need a new type of leadership in congress if that institution is to regain any respect. Michele Bachmann is stepping down. The current leader in fund raising to replace her is two time DWI offender, Tom Emmer-sponsor of legislation to pull welfare from pot smokers and sponsor of legislation to soften DWI penalities. David to this Goliath is Jim Read-a Harvard Ph.D. and Eagle Scout. Read's web site is http://www.jimreadforcongress.com.
dougolat
(716 posts)cui bono
(19,926 posts)cilla4progress
(24,766 posts)Run, Elizabeth, RUN!