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KoKo

(84,711 posts)
Thu Apr 3, 2014, 06:23 PM Apr 2014

Well..what do you think about the White Hats/Black Hats" in all of this?

"Ukraine: The Danger of False Narrative, European Aspirations, The Crisis, Black Hats/White Hats"
by Robert Parry

Like a decade ago with Iraq, Official Washington’s pundits and pols are locked shoulder-to-shoulder in a phalanx of misguided consensus on Ukraine, presenting a false narrative that is taking U.S. policy into dangerous directions
by Robert Parry

President Barack Obama talks with Secretary of State John Kerry and National Security Advisor Susan E. Rice in the Oval Office, March 19, 2014. (Official White House Photo by Pete Souza)

The American people got a nasty taste of the danger that can come with false narrative when they were suckered into the Iraq War based on bogus claims that Saddam Hussein was hiding weapons of mass destruction that he planned to share with al-Qaeda.

Nearly 4,500 U.S. soldiers died in the conflict along with hundreds thousands of Iraqis. The war’s total financial cost probably exceeded $1 trillion, a vast sum that siphoned off America’s economic vitality and forced cutbacks in everything from education to road repair. Plus, the war ended up creating an Iraqi base for al-Qaeda terrorists that had not existed before.

But perhaps an even more dangerous problem coming out of the Iraq War was that almost no one in Official Washington who pushed the false narrative – whether in politics or in the press – was held accountable in any meaningful way. Many of the same pols and pundits remain in place today, pushing similar false narratives on new crises, from Ukraine to Syria to Iran.

Those false narratives – and their cumulative effect on policymaking – now represent a clear and present danger to the Republic and, indeed, to the world. The United States, after all, is the preeminent superpower with unprecedented means for delivering death and destruction. But almost nothing is being done to address this enduring American crisis of deception.

Today, Official Washington is marching in lockstep just as it did in 2002-03 when it enforced the misguided consensus on Iraq’s WMD. The latest case is Ukraine where Russian President Vladimir Putin is accused of committing “aggression” to expand Russian territory at the expense of noble ”democratic” reformers in Kiev.

Not only is this the dominant storyline in the U.S. media; it is virtually the only narrative permitted in the mainstream press. But the real narrative is that the United States and the European Union provoked this crisis by trying to take Ukraine out of its traditional sphere of influence, Russia, and put it in to a new association with the EU.

MUCH MORE WITH UPDATED REPORTING ON THE SITUATION BETWEEN RUSSIA AND USA and NEO-CON INFLUENCE AT:

http://www.commondreams.org/view/2014/03/27-5

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Well..what do you think about the White Hats/Black Hats" in all of this? (Original Post) KoKo Apr 2014 OP
A contemporaneous account of the Feb 21 agreement Benton D Struckcheon Apr 2014 #1
Thanks! It's good to retrograde over what happened in Ukraine because the KoKo Apr 2014 #2
Kick for a Good Weekend Read.....if interested ....... KoKo Apr 2014 #3
K & R malaise Apr 2014 #4

Benton D Struckcheon

(2,347 posts)
1. A contemporaneous account of the Feb 21 agreement
Thu Apr 3, 2014, 07:26 PM
Apr 2014
KIEV, Ukraine — A deal aimed at ending a lethal spiral of violence in Ukraine began to show serious strains late Friday just hours after it had been signed, with angry protesters shouting down opposition members of Parliament who negotiated the accord and a militant leader threatening armed attacks if President Viktor F. Yanukovych did not step down by morning.

Russia, which joined France, Germany and Poland in mediating the settlement, introduced a further element of uncertainty by declining to sign the accord, which reduces the power of Mr. Yanukovych, an ally of Moscow. This stirred fears that Moscow might now work to undo the deal through economic and other pressures, as it did last year to subvert a proposed trade deal between Ukraine and the European Union. But American officials said Mr. Putin told Mr. Obama in a telephone call on Friday that he would work toward resolving the crisis.


Ukraine Has Deal, but Both Russia and Protesters Appear Wary

So, firstly: Russia never signed on to the Feb 21 deal. Of course, once Yanukovych was ousted they were loudly proclaiming that the agreement needed to be kept to, but those loud protestations would carry a lot more force if they had actually signed on to the agreement in the first place.

Secondly, the snipers:Ukraine Detains Riot Police Over Sniper Deaths

It's of course entirely possible it was a "false flag" operation, but "false flag" is the first thing opponents pop up with for situations like this. False flag explanations fail Occam's Razor on their face, and need a lot more proof than just a tapped conversation containing speculation based on physical evidence that by itself doesn't actually mean anything.

I have no dog in the fight over who did what to whom in Kiev. Couldn't care less if I tried. Both Russia and Ukraine are filled with nationalist reactionaries who are too vile for words, and that includes Putin. So taking sides over what happened in Kiev strikes me as irrelevant, since whether the Russian side or the Ukrainian side won, neither are sides I would take, so why would I care?
So, back to the issues at hand: Russia firstly, never signed the Feb 21 agreement, and secondly, wildly overreacted to what happened in Kiev by going after Crimea.
That's being generous, as I think it was simple theft. Regardless of what happened in Kiev, Russia signed the Budapest Memorandum and specifically promised to respect Ukraine's borders in that deal. All of this is just excuse-making for a clear breach both of international law and of signed prior agreements.
The espionage and subversion-type charges re Nuland and the whole neocon conspiracy theory promoted by Parry and others cut no ice with me. That stuff goes on all the time, and only a complete naif would think the Russians weren't in there doing the same thing, squared, since Ukraine is right next door and Russians were able to go in and out without a visa. Once again, that's just excuse-making.
It's actually a testimony to just how pathetic Putin is that Ukraine got away from him. For a former KGB guy, he wound up screwing the pooch big time in a country where he should have had a very easy time getting his way.
The only reason Crimea didn't turn into a pitched battle with large loss of life is that Ukraine deliberately held back, knowing that if they did anything there it would just allow Russia to invade their east. It was a very wise decision, and I'm sure frustrated Putin no end. He was trying to make the argument that Ukraine was in chaos, and was instead met with a disciplined, restrained reaction to his theft of Crimea, which is I'm sure not what he was counting on, and went completely counter to his claim that the country was in chaos and that therefore he could cross the border to restore order. That was one of the many things that stopped his rather transparent plan to take the eastern part of Ukraine. Or has, so far. We'll see how far he's willing to go down this path over time.

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
2. Thanks! It's good to retrograde over what happened in Ukraine because the
Thu Apr 3, 2014, 08:15 PM
Apr 2014

MSM has already talked about it...declared what the Think Tanks said about it and Moved on to "other topics."

Meanwhile our Foreign Policy MOVES ON...behind the scenes in the dark of night...

Good to question...! From all sides.

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