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reflection

(6,286 posts)
Fri Apr 4, 2014, 10:17 AM Apr 2014

History question, re: Freedom Riders and the Kennedy administration

My oldest daughter is in 8th grade and is receiving a visit today from Congressman John Lewis of GA and CT Vivian, both original Freedom Riders during the civil rights struggle. Very cool, I wish I could be there - They are going to talk about the Freedom Rider movement that forced the issue of integrated public buses in the South, which was resisting federal law to maintain the status quo.

Each student will be allowed to ask one question. I asked my daughter what she planned to ask and was impressed by her response. She said she learned that the Kennedy administration turned a blind eye to the Freedom Riders at first. John barely acknowledged it and Robert, as US Attorney General, issued a statement condemning the FRs. They both eventually came around but it took a while. She wants to know why the Kennedy administration was so slow to get behind them. I told her I wasn't alive then, and that frankly I didn't know. I told her based on what I know of JFK, it was likely there were external political variables keeping him from engaging the issue properly. I also told her it was a good question and that she should ask it.

So the question is, to any DUers who were alive and politically aware during that period, why did John and Robert take so long to come around? I've googled it a bit, and the lag period by the administration was indeed there, but there's a not a lot to suggest why, except for one oblique reference to the Bay of Pigs fiasco and how JFK was still recovering politically from it. Perhaps that's it. Were the Kennedys constrained politically, personally, or what? Anyone remember?

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History question, re: Freedom Riders and the Kennedy administration (Original Post) reflection Apr 2014 OP
Same reason Obama never responded to the demonstrations in the Wisconsin capitol: politics. JDPriestly Apr 2014 #1
Thank you. reflection Apr 2014 #2
Political expediency TexasProgresive Apr 2014 #3
Thank you also. reflection Apr 2014 #4
Interview with John Lewis about Kennedy and Civil Rights: former9thward Apr 2014 #5
followup reflection Apr 2014 #6

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
1. Same reason Obama never responded to the demonstrations in the Wisconsin capitol: politics.
Fri Apr 4, 2014, 10:53 AM
Apr 2014

The South sent a lot of Democrats to Congress. Since Democrats began to support equal opportunity and integration, in other words, racial equality and the freedom riders, the South has tended to vote Republican. Democrats lost the support of southern racists. Perhaps the Kennedy brothers foresaw that outcome and hesitated. That is my best guess.

reflection

(6,286 posts)
2. Thank you.
Fri Apr 4, 2014, 11:00 AM
Apr 2014

It's probably not a bad guess. Generally, when I see politicians acting out of character, it's because they are cowed by a larger political dynamic, and that's probably the case here as well.

TexasProgresive

(12,157 posts)
3. Political expediency
Fri Apr 4, 2014, 12:14 PM
Apr 2014

The Democratic party relied on the southern bloc and as L.B.J. said after signing the Civil Rights Act, "We have lost the south for a generation."

He did not know how right he was- it has been several generations.

Edited- so glad your 8th grader is a thinker.

reflection

(6,286 posts)
4. Thank you also.
Fri Apr 4, 2014, 01:43 PM
Apr 2014

Much appreciated, especially the kind words about my daughter. She's not just a "name-and-date" learner, that's for sure.

former9thward

(32,020 posts)
5. Interview with John Lewis about Kennedy and Civil Rights:
Fri Apr 4, 2014, 02:02 PM
Apr 2014
PRESIDENT JOHN F. KENNEDY: Deep in America, because your skin is dark, you cannot eat lunch in a restaurant open to the public. If he cannot send his children to the best public school available, if he cannot vote for the public officials who represent him, if, in short, he cannot enjoy the full and free life which all of us want than - then who among us can be content to have the color of his skin changed and stand in his place? Who among us would then be content with the counsels of patience and delay?

MARTIN: So there's that, but there's also the fact that, you know, you reminded us that he was very skeptical of the March on Washington in 1963, and, in fact, was very much kind of hoping that it wouldn't happen. At least that's what the record sort of shows. So which of those images that we have of him do you think are closer to the truth? I mean, on the one hand, people see him as being a very exciting figure who advanced civil rights. Other people say he was very slow to the party, very slow to respond and could have done more. Which of those things is closer to the truth in your view?

LEWIS: I think the speech that President Kennedy made was forceful. He was the first president to say that the question of civil rights was a moral issue. He reminded us what it was like to be black or white in the American South, in that speech. I listened to every word of that speech. And later, I kept seeing him being concerned about whether he was going to have to run a campaign. And I think - I reflect on this sometimes - whether he was going to have to face Senator Goldwater the next year in 1964.

So he was very careful and very concerned, even when we met with him in June of 1963 and spoke at the March on Washington. He didn't like the idea of a march on Washington. He kept saying if you bring all these people to Washington won't there be violence and chaos and disorder - and we would never get a civil rights bill through the Congress? But after the March on Washington, that same day after the march was all over, he met with us. And he was just amazing. He was smiling. He was like a proud father. He kept saying, you did a good job, you did a good job. And when he got to Dr. King, he said and you had a dream. That was my last time seeing the president.


http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=246334549

I hope you tell us what his answer to your daughter was.

reflection

(6,286 posts)
6. followup
Sat Apr 5, 2014, 10:22 AM
Apr 2014

My daughter asked her question, to CT Vivian. She said he smiled just a little and said he didn't agree with the premise of the question. He said that everyone reaches understanding on their own time table, and that the important thing is that JFK *did* come around, not *when* he came around. Pure class, and to me the answer lends credence to the theory that political realities got in the way.

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