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dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
Fri Apr 4, 2014, 08:48 PM Apr 2014

9 Of The Top 10 Occupations In America Pay An Average Wage Of Less Than $35,000 A Year



According to stunning new numbers just released by the federal government, that we detailed yesterday, nine of the top ten most commonly held jobs in the United States pay an average wage of less than $35,000 a year. When you break that down, that means that most of these workers are making less than $3,000 a month before taxes. And once you consider how we are being taxed into oblivion, things become even more frightening. Can you pay a mortgage and support a family on just a couple grand a month? Of course not. In the old days, a single income would enable a family to live a very comfortable middle class lifestyle in most cases. But now those days are long gone.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-04-04/9-top-10-occupations-america-pay-average-wage-less-35000-year
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9 Of The Top 10 Occupations In America Pay An Average Wage Of Less Than $35,000 A Year (Original Post) dixiegrrrrl Apr 2014 OP
I really don't see how anyone, especially single, can raise a family. After RKP5637 Apr 2014 #1
+1000 nt snappyturtle Apr 2014 #6
kinda tough for single people hfojvt Apr 2014 #17
I think net worth includes any equity you may have in a house..... llmart Apr 2014 #19
the house is, by defintion, NOT underwater hfojvt Apr 2014 #21
It also includes IRAs 401Ks etc. nt Progressive dog Apr 2014 #35
That's good to hear!!! n/t RKP5637 Apr 2014 #23
Oh Lord we are all in the 1 percent….lol. JK yeoman6987 Apr 2014 #26
Yes of course it can. MadrasT Apr 2014 #28
Only 21% hold those top 10 jobs Progressive dog Apr 2014 #37
You can see the SS wages table here for 2012 Yo_Mama Apr 2014 #42
'Merica. bigwillq Apr 2014 #2
In the 80s, short-term profit was chosen over long-term prosperity Junkdrawer Apr 2014 #8
exactly! SteveG Apr 2014 #11
Exactly bigwillq Apr 2014 #27
K&R..nt Jesus Malverde Apr 2014 #3
k&r n/t RainDog Apr 2014 #4
K&R It's disgraceful. nt snappyturtle Apr 2014 #5
Check out the comments. Brigid Apr 2014 #7
I know which state that is! Generic Brad Apr 2014 #9
that is a right wing meme you can find all over the net. dixiegrrrrl Apr 2014 #22
They never reveal what state that is... ReRe Apr 2014 #24
While sometimes they make good points, they ruin it by tossing in some Von Mises-ready crapola. HughBeaumont Apr 2014 #32
Income inequality deniers need to see this article. Initech Apr 2014 #10
i make about 20k a year fizzgig Apr 2014 #12
The only reason we are doing ok on our low retirement income dixiegrrrrl Apr 2014 #36
And yet the billionaires grow richer doing nothing. The time to share the wealth is long overdue. reformist2 Apr 2014 #13
The only job in that last that pays decently SheilaT Apr 2014 #14
I'll contest the 'taxed to oblivion' part... JHB Apr 2014 #15
What percent of the 90% have college degrees that should "overqualify" them, pffshht Apr 2014 #16
That why they talk about "houshold income" being an average of $40,000... Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2014 #18
Yuck CFLDem Apr 2014 #34
so the rightwing has discovered the working poor hfojvt Apr 2014 #20
The workability of $35,000 really depends on the location and the situation penultimate Apr 2014 #25
I guess I don't know anything about "skilled" jobs hfojvt Apr 2014 #29
Well, it IS ZeroHedge . . . HughBeaumont Apr 2014 #31
ZH.. sendero Apr 2014 #33
Unionize gerogie2 Apr 2014 #30
But the "recovery" is steaming along full speed ahead ! bvar22 Apr 2014 #38
Are the folks at 35k really being taxed to oblivion? Boom Sound 416 Apr 2014 #39
I don't know about current rates dixiegrrrrl Apr 2014 #40
I lived pretty good when I was making around $35k a year madville Apr 2014 #41
Yep...living in the South, in small towns or rural area, is so much cheaper. dixiegrrrrl Apr 2014 #44
How many of the ten require a post high school degree? joeglow3 Apr 2014 #43

RKP5637

(67,112 posts)
1. I really don't see how anyone, especially single, can raise a family. After
Fri Apr 4, 2014, 09:22 PM
Apr 2014

taxes, housing, insurance, food, transportation and all, it's down to bare survival IMO.
I still often think many Americans just don't get how F'ed they are in the big picture. There is so much delusional wishful thinking and denial in the US, and then that is layered with disinformation and propaganda. Most Americans really have no voice.

hfojvt

(37,573 posts)
17. kinda tough for single people
Fri Apr 4, 2014, 11:08 PM
Apr 2014

at least it can be

but in 2002, 50% of married households had more than $100,000 in net worth. In 2011, 56.6% of married households had more than that. Even 31% of households headed by single women had more than $100,000 in net worth.

Not everybody is just scraping by.

llmart

(15,552 posts)
19. I think net worth includes any equity you may have in a house.....
Fri Apr 4, 2014, 11:12 PM
Apr 2014

so if that's a part of the $100K then that really isn't saying much for a married couple. If they can't make the mortgage payments at some point and the house is underwater, there goes part of their net worth.

hfojvt

(37,573 posts)
21. the house is, by defintion, NOT underwater
Fri Apr 4, 2014, 11:20 PM
Apr 2014

not if they have positive net worth. But not to worry 26.7% of married households have more than $250,000 in net worth and 12.4% have more than $500,000 in net worth.

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
26. Oh Lord we are all in the 1 percent….lol. JK
Sat Apr 5, 2014, 12:06 AM
Apr 2014

Seriously how is this possible. The average wage in America is 43,000 a year. Can that still make is 9 out of 10 jobs below 35K?

MadrasT

(7,237 posts)
28. Yes of course it can.
Sat Apr 5, 2014, 06:01 AM
Apr 2014

Ten annual salaries

10000
12000
12000
13000
18000
22000
23000
24000
33000
263000

Nine out of 10 are less than $35,000.
Average is $43,000.

Heck, you could have

0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
430000

And same thing. Nine people have income less than $35,000, one person makes $430,000. Average is still $43,000.

Progressive dog

(6,918 posts)
37. Only 21% hold those top 10 jobs
Sat Apr 5, 2014, 11:23 AM
Apr 2014

The average wage for all occupations according to the same report is $46,440.

Yo_Mama

(8,303 posts)
42. You can see the SS wages table here for 2012
Sat Apr 5, 2014, 09:30 PM
Apr 2014
http://www.ssa.gov/cgi-bin/netcomp.cgi?year=2012

Over half of all workers earned less than 30K. 73% of all workers earned less than 50K. The article is talking about the largest job categories, not all earners.

Wage inequality has been growing over the years. Check out this table and look at the change in the median/average ratio over the 20 years since 1992:
http://www.ssa.gov/OACT/COLA/central.html

In 1992, the median (half earned below and half over) was almost 71% of average. By 2012 that ratio had fallen to under 65%.

Poor earnings are the primary cause of most of our economic ills.
 

bigwillq

(72,790 posts)
2. 'Merica.
Fri Apr 4, 2014, 09:23 PM
Apr 2014

What we have become.
So very, very sad.
And it doesn't look like it's going to get better anytime soon.

 

bigwillq

(72,790 posts)
27. Exactly
Sat Apr 5, 2014, 12:49 AM
Apr 2014

What we've become.

So very, very sad.

And it doesn't look like it's going to get better anytime soon.

Brigid

(17,621 posts)
7. Check out the comments.
Fri Apr 4, 2014, 09:56 PM
Apr 2014

Somebody says they read that you can "make" $60,000 on welfare if you live in the right state.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
22. that is a right wing meme you can find all over the net.
Fri Apr 4, 2014, 11:28 PM
Apr 2014

With many inaccurate assumptions and downright lies built into the formula.

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
24. They never reveal what state that is...
Fri Apr 4, 2014, 11:51 PM
Apr 2014

...damnit! If there IS such a state, then they best keep it a secret, because if they don't, I envision grapes-of-wrath convoys headed their way as soon as the word gets out.

HughBeaumont

(24,461 posts)
32. While sometimes they make good points, they ruin it by tossing in some Von Mises-ready crapola.
Sat Apr 5, 2014, 07:24 AM
Apr 2014

Thus the batshit anti-"LIBRUL" comments from the "not being governed is great" people.

fizzgig

(24,146 posts)
12. i make about 20k a year
Fri Apr 4, 2014, 10:32 PM
Apr 2014

which is manageable when my husband is making about the same, but he's been unemployed for about two of the last four months and his unemployment was denied. we're barely living hand to mouth right now.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
36. The only reason we are doing ok on our low retirement income
Sat Apr 5, 2014, 11:17 AM
Apr 2014

is we have zero debt, except for a low monthly mortgage.
and we don't pay property taxes, because of this red state's homestead act.
but the basic budget we planned for 8 years ago is blown, because food costs have almost doubled.
We don't have any expense habits like cigs, spend very little on clothes and stuff.
However, I can see the day we will not be able to replace our 2 cats and dog, that budget has also increased.

reformist2

(9,841 posts)
13. And yet the billionaires grow richer doing nothing. The time to share the wealth is long overdue.
Fri Apr 4, 2014, 10:39 PM
Apr 2014

"Wealth redistribution" never sounded better!
 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
14. The only job in that last that pays decently
Fri Apr 4, 2014, 10:40 PM
Apr 2014

is registered nurse. If I were a lot younger I'd be looking at the medical field for training and work.

JHB

(37,161 posts)
15. I'll contest the 'taxed to oblivion' part...
Fri Apr 4, 2014, 10:41 PM
Apr 2014

...though I think it's related to the problem in the OP.

Every "tax reform" for the last 50 years has pushed taxation onto working people and eased effective taxation on corporations and the very wealthy. The share of tax revenues from corporate taxes has dropped despite the nominally-high corporate tax rate -- thanks to myriad ways of lawfully avoiding them, especially for big multinationals.

As for personal income taxes, it was a big fight a few years ago to add one more bracket on income over $440,000, so that out of 7 brackets two kick in at taxable income levels above $250,000 and none at levels above a half million. Adjusting for inflation, the comparable numbers in 1955 were 24 brackets, 16 of which (two-thirds) affected income at levels above $250,000, and 11 of those were for levels over a half million.

All progressivity in the tax code has been pushed downward.On very high incomes it was eliminated under Reagan and has never been restored. And that's just talking about the distribution (which IMO is the more important factor), not even getting into what the rates actually were (much, much higher on high incomes). The steep progressivity affected financial calculations about whether it was worth it to squeeze every last penny for personal gain or better to reinvest in the company -- which includes employee pay.

That's changed: once you're up in the economic stratosphere, the extra gravy comes at a flat rate. It doesn't get more expensive for every extra ladleful. So why leave any for the people who make it?

pffshht

(79 posts)
16. What percent of the 90% have college degrees that should "overqualify" them,
Fri Apr 4, 2014, 10:45 PM
Apr 2014

paid for by taking on massive amounts of student loan debt?

And this seems to go hand in hand with the statistic that there are 3 job seekers for every available job but 7 job seekers for every available job that makes over $15/hr.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
18. That why they talk about "houshold income" being an average of $40,000...
Fri Apr 4, 2014, 11:10 PM
Apr 2014

Two people working full time making $20,000 (more or less) a year.

hfojvt

(37,573 posts)
20. so the rightwing has discovered the working poor
Fri Apr 4, 2014, 11:15 PM
Apr 2014

not that $35,000 a year is really poor.

Nice that they included this bullsh*t

"And once you consider how we are being taxed into oblivion, things become even more frightening."

Oh those darn old taxes, Support the Ryan budget dammit.

penultimate

(1,110 posts)
25. The workability of $35,000 really depends on the location and the situation
Fri Apr 4, 2014, 11:57 PM
Apr 2014

A single person living in many parts of Texas or similar cost of living locations, would do fine. But someone living a place lika Los Angeles or New York City with a kid or two would really be struggling and would probably fit in the category of poor. I just went on craigslist to look at the job postings in NYC, and the ones that list salary/wages do not seem to adjust for this high cost of living. Making $35,000 $40,000/yr for an entry-level job that usually requires some form of education might work in a lot of place, but that's kind ridiculous in a place like NYC... Not to mention the fact that $40k/yr was considered the going entry-level wage for skilled jobs back in the early 2000's (at least that was my impression) Amazing how it has either dropped down or at least stayed the same despite inflation.

hfojvt

(37,573 posts)
29. I guess I don't know anything about "skilled" jobs
Sat Apr 5, 2014, 07:00 AM
Apr 2014

In 2000, I was making $8.25 an hour as a temp. The starting wage in that factory was $10 an hour, plus overtime.

In late 2001, I got an entry level job making $11.30 an hour (or $23,500 a year). Then I promptly got fired for being unable to sell.

Applied for a job at the place next door to it, which was advertising for help and said they had "competitive wages". Called them up later to ask why they hadn't called me. Was told that I had put on my application that I wanted $10 an hour and they only paid $8.50.

Well they certainly were not competing with the place next door. I felt kinda lucky when I got a job that paid $10.69 an hour in August 2002. Of course, that would be $13.95 in today's dollars, and we just advertised for a similar job paying only $11.80.

HughBeaumont

(24,461 posts)
31. Well, it IS ZeroHedge . . .
Sat Apr 5, 2014, 07:21 AM
Apr 2014
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Zero_Hedge

Zero Hedge[1] is a batshit insane Austrian economics-based finance blog run by a pseudonymous founder who posts articles under the name "Tyler Durden," after Chuck Palahniuk's Fight Club personality.

Tyler claims to be a "believer in a sweeping conspiracy that casts the alumni of Goldman Sachs as a powerful cabal at the helm of U.S. policy, with the Treasury and the Federal Reserve colluding to preserve the status quo." While this is not an entirely unreasonable statement of the problem, his solution actually mirrors the anatagonist in Fight Club in that Tyler wants, per Austrian school ideas, to lead a catastrophic market crash in order to destroy banking institutions and bring back "real" free market capitalism.[2]

The site posts nearly indecipherable analyses of multiple seemingly unrelated subjects to point towards a consistent theme of economic collapse any day now, and has accurately predicted 200 of the last 2 recessions. Tyler seems to repeat The Economic Collapse Blog's idea of posting blog articles many times a day and encouraging people to post it as far and wide as humanly possible. Tyler moves away from the format of long lists to write insanely dense volumes[3] filled with (often contradicting) jargon that makes one wonder if the writers even know what the words actually mean.[4] The site first appeared in early 2009, meaning that (given Tyler's habit of taking a shit on each and every positive data point), anyone listening to him from the beginning missed the entire 2009-2013 rally in the equities market.


I don't know if he's changed since 2010, but chances are he's one of those "abolish the IRS" people.

sendero

(28,552 posts)
33. ZH..
Sat Apr 5, 2014, 07:49 AM
Apr 2014

.... has some good info occasionally, but it is largely manned by idiotic Libertarians that rail against a system that they largely created themselves via their beloved "deregulation".

But don't tell them that, the cognitive dissonance is very strong and they will break fingernails trying to nuance themselves out of it

 

gerogie2

(450 posts)
30. Unionize
Sat Apr 5, 2014, 07:17 AM
Apr 2014

Until the American workers realize there is power in joining together and bargaining they will be at the mercy of the 1% and their enforcers.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
38. But the "recovery" is steaming along full speed ahead !
Sat Apr 5, 2014, 07:20 PM
Apr 2014

So where is the disconnect?


CHARTS: The Amazing Wealth Surge For The Top 0.1 Percent
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/the-amazing-wealth-surge-for-the-top-0-1-percent

Korean Free Trade Deal devastating for US Workers
What happened to the 70,000 jobs that the Korea Free Trade deal was supposed to create? They never materialized. Instead, U.S. workers lost 40,000 jobs in the first year of the agreement.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/larry-cohen/koreaus-free-trade-agreem_b_4965492.html


Study: "Trade" Deal Would Mean a Pay Cut for 90% of U.S. Workers
http://citizen.typepad.com/eyesontrade/2013/09/the-verdict-is-in-the-trans-pacific-partnership-tpp-a-sweeping-free-trade-deal-under-negotiation-with-11-pacific-rim-coun.html

Retirement: A third have less than $1,000 put away
http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/personalfinance/2014/03/18/retirement-confidence-survey-savings/6432241/

65 percent of working families are living from paycheck to paycheck.
http://billmoyers.com/2014/01/10/why-conservatives-old-divide-and-conquer-strategy-%E2%80%94-setting-working-class-against-the-poor-%E2%80%94-is-backfiring/

"Obama Admin’s TPP Trade Officials Received Hefty Bonuses From Big Banks"
http://billmoyers.com/2014/02/20/obama-admin%E2%80%99s-tpp-trade-officials-received-hefty-bonuses-from-big-banks/

95 percent of the economy’s gains have gone to the top 1 percent
http://billmoyers.com/2014/01/10/why-conservatives-old-divide-and-conquer-strategy-%E2%80%94-setting-working-class-against-the-poor-%E2%80%94-is-backfiring/

Billionaire wealth doubles since financial crisis
http://www.upi.com/blog/2013/11/12/Billionaire-wealth-doubles-since-financial-crisis/5011384268135/?spt=hts&or=12

US Wealthy Have Biggest Piece of Pie Ever Recorded
http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2013/09/11-6

Rates of unemployment for families earning less than $20,000 - have topped 21 percent
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_JOBS_GAP_RICH_AND_POOR?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2013-09-16-08-11-23

Obama appoints industry insider to head the FCC
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024521140

Obama selects former Monsanto lobbyist to be his TPP chief agriculture negotiator
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023662210

The Totally Unfair And Bitterly Uneven 'Recovery,' In 12 Charts – HuffPo
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023662029

Wall Street will get away with massive wave of criminality of 2008 - Statute of Limitations
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022516719

Income gap widest ever: 95 Percent of Recovery Income Gains Have Gone to the Top 1 Percent
http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2013/09/10/one_percent_recovery_95_percent_of_gains_have_gone_to_the_top_one_percent.html

Older Workers:.Set Back by Recession, and Shut Out of Rebound
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/27/booming/for-laid-off-older-workers-age-bias-is-pervasive.html?smid=tw-share&_r=3&


THIS ^ does NOT happen by accident.
It is the result of carefully planned and implemented Economic Policy.
It requires careful preparation, marketing, buying the right politicians, message control, courts packed with Conservative Corporate Rights Judges, and the marginalization and violent suppression of any opposition.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
40. I don't know about current rates
Sat Apr 5, 2014, 08:00 PM
Apr 2014

but I don't think they have gone down in the last 10 years or so.

i DO know that just before I retired, I was making 35 K , single, and taxes and deducts were taking 38% of my paycheck.
Cal. has income tax, so state plus federal taxes, plus workman's comp taxes, plus health insurance, plus any retirement deductions, plus Soc. Sec. and Medicare taxes.
It was a lot.

madville

(7,412 posts)
41. I lived pretty good when I was making around $35k a year
Sat Apr 5, 2014, 08:26 PM
Apr 2014

I was taking home about $2500 a month and didn't pay hardly any federal income tax, would actually get more than I had withheld back due to EIC (Earned Income Credit).

I live pretty cheap though, all my bills every month are $1200 (mortgage, utilities, insurances, transportation, gas, phone, etc). So that would leave me $1300 a month for food, clothes, entertainment, savings, etc. I make more now but I still live the same way I did back then. I learned to live pretty frugal as an E-2 in the military taking home $750 a month and it has stuck with me all these years.

I do live in a rural area though, decent housing can be had for $50,000-$100,000. My house was $90,000 on one acre of land and the payment is $560 a month now with taxes and insurance included. I wouldn't be able to live as good in the nearest large city where a comparable house would be $150,000+ and the property taxes would be double or triple.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
44. Yep...living in the South, in small towns or rural area, is so much cheaper.
Sat Apr 5, 2014, 11:02 PM
Apr 2014

We chose moving back here for that reason.
Down here, entry level police position is 8.50 an hour.
10-12 an hour is considered good pay.
Interestingly, you can buy a house cheaper than renting one.
I have done that twice, including present home.
Rental houses are very hard to find, apts a bit less so.

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