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Conservatives hate, hate, hate pesky inconveniences like poor people and facts. And theyve been awfully busy lately coming up with new and creative ways to make them disappear. (Dont like the enrollment numbers for Obamacare? Run with a misleading graph and remind the working poor that health care is something evil.)
Some things, though, are harder than others to make disappear with a standard-issue Heartless Magic Wand. Take homeless people. Here is where compassionate conservative creativity truly shines. Temperature dropping? Make it illegal to give a homeless person a blanket! Notice too many people hanging out downtown and wearing the same clothes every day? Threaten all 1,500 of them with jail time if they cant magically squeeze into a shelter built for 240.
Those are just two examples (from Florida and South Carolina, respectively) of Red States inventing new ways to make life tougher for their poorest citizens.
It would be nice to imagine some of the conservatives famously trumpeted compassion showing up when it comes to people down on their luck and living on the streets but thats not whats going on. So why were we surprised to learn whats been happening in Birmingham, Alabama where cops have been showing up to yank the free food out of homeless peoples hands? (Really.)
See, a new law governing food trucks has been interpreted to include churches that hand out hot dogs and other foodstuffs to homeless people. Unless these churches comply with new zoning laws and shell out the money for expensive permits, feeding the hungry is now against the law. In fact, it would cost a church the value of 1,700 hot dogs just to be able to hand out free hot dogs.
Im just so totally shocked that the city is turning their back on the homeless like this, said the pastor of one of the churches. Its like they want to chase them out of the city!
Ummm ya think???
Birmingham defended the move, claiming to be protecting the health and safety of its homeless population and calling it all part of a larger plan one that addresses the 145% increase in the citys homeless between 1987 and 2005.
Were all for health and safety, but knocking free hot dogs out of hungry peoples hands seems a disingenuous way to accomplish it, to say the least.
The good news is some of the churches plan to defy the law completely and keep doing what theyve been doing. Which means its time for heartless politicians to get creative again! If they cant starve them out of the city, what will heartless politicians try next to get rid of the homeless? What do YOU think?
- Put itching powder on park benches?
- Move the shelters to the other side of the new Bridget Kelly Interstate Bridge?
What do YOU think?
(Source, links and original poll: http://lesterandcharlie.com/2014/04/03/the-alabama-starvation-diet/)
NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)scrubthedata
(382 posts)magically appear. Since they can't do that for the homeless, it must be a sign from God that they don't deserve to eat.
yuiyoshida
(41,853 posts)"Feed them and then the next thing they do, they begin to multiply..." A big WTF???
Sarah Ibarruri
(21,043 posts)bondwooley
(1,198 posts)Sarah Ibarruri
(21,043 posts)raven mad
(4,940 posts)And they like it that way.
Sarah Ibarruri
(21,043 posts)scrubthedata
(382 posts)from taking care of the "homeless problem" with guns? That's their answer to everything else.
Raksha
(7,167 posts)scrubthedata
(382 posts)tblue37
(65,483 posts)the street children, often while they slept. I don't know if that still happens, but with Brazil trying to "clean up" for their star turn as an Olympic host site, I sure would not be surprised if they are still doing that, but more carefully.
Exposethefrauds
(531 posts)A good republican would not get rid of its cash cow and have all the private prisons go bankrupt.
scrubthedata
(382 posts)JoeyT
(6,785 posts)and it's illegal in Houston too. I'm good with breaking that law. I just gave a guy some money and bought him and his dog some burgers and dog food not a half hour ago. It never even occurred to me it'd be illegal, because most people aren't screaming dickheads that see someone that has nowhere to live and think the real crime is that they haven't starved to death yet.
bondwooley
(1,198 posts)America - which grew to prosperity based on its instinct to help the underdog - has found it shameful to help the underdog, or to even tolerate them. Now it's making it illegal to help them.
It is truly sad.
nessa
(317 posts).
fayhunter
(221 posts)The article is correct about red states and their treatment of the homeless but what it doesn't point out - and what I find most shocking - is that Birmingham's serving mayor is a Democrat. And it seems to be city's first African-American mayor, too.
It all just makes me cringe.
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)unfortunately, to many people vote for those who are. Thanks for the term "screaming dickhead"- I am going to use that in the future.
nessa
(317 posts).
lonestarnot
(77,097 posts)City Manager's annual salary from 278k to 315K while city workers are going to be asked to concede salary or benefits. WTF is that about?
AngryDem001
(684 posts)Simple, unabashed, GREED.
tblue37
(65,483 posts)lonestarnot
(77,097 posts)bondwooley
(1,198 posts)that so many conservative cities have Dem mayors. What's the point of election a democrat if this the extent of their social awareness?
pffshht
(79 posts)Those have gone the way of pay phones here- they now all have dividers that seem to be there just to make them uncomfortable or impossible to lie down on; sort of like the bird-deterrent stuff they put on light posts and interior storefront corners, but for homeless people.
flvegan
(64,413 posts)And even more respect for the Alabama lawyer(s) who will get after this in support.
raising2moredems
(641 posts)I thought the pukes solution is for churches step in to care for those less fortunate thus eliminating the need for SNAP and other assistance programs?
LeftyMom
(49,212 posts)limiting church charity to members who meet increasingly stringent qualifications. They're also talking a lot about discouraging parishoners from taking outside charity, and from giving to charity outside their church community.
Sanity Claws
(21,852 posts)Catholic Charities give to all. There isn't even such a thing as official membership.
theHandpuppet
(19,964 posts)Sanity Claws
(21,852 posts)a Catholic charity is not Catholic Charities.
Catholic Charities is the name given to each Diocese's social services arms.
The OP concerned itself with churches giving to members only. Getting back to the OP, Catholic Charities does not look at membership (there is no such thing as official membership in the Catholic Church) and does not restrict its giving to Catholics.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)money. Example, In 2010, Catholic Charities had revenues of $4.7 billion, $2.9 billion of which came from the US government. Only about $140 million came from donations from diocesan churches.
Catholic Charities has discriminated against LGBT often and in many ways, in fact they have frequently chosen to cut programs for all rather than be forced to include LGBT equally. In 2010, Catholic Charities of DC, for example, ended health benefits for employee's spouses to avoid including same sex couples.
So tell yourself stories if you wish, but do not expect them to go uncontested by those who know the facts.
scrubthedata
(382 posts)Talk about separation of church and state....
Manifestor_of_Light
(21,046 posts)Assault is an offensive touching of a person or something attached to them.
There is an early 1960s case with the Carousel Motor Hotel of Houston in which a man was in line for a buffet with a plate in his hand, someone with the motel staff grabbed his plate out of his hand, and it was ruled an offensive touching and therefore assault. I remember that case from Torts class in law school.
Sounds to me like snatching hot dogs out of hungry peoples' hands is assault as well.
That's my unofficial legal opinion. You're welcome.
tblue37
(65,483 posts)The reason that matters is that the manager snatched the plate from the man, a mathematician at a conference, and yelled at him in front of his associates because he was African American, and the manager said they wouldn't serve him for that reason.
If it had occurred before the 1964 Civil Rights Act, the law probably would have offered no recourse to Mr. Fisher, the man who was assaulted by the manager.
https://www.courtlistener.com/tex/dn27/fisher-v-carrousel-motor-hotel-inc/
Manifestor_of_Light
(21,046 posts)I remembered that the man was African-American. Also, it was in Houston and I knew exactly where the business in question was. That was one reason I remembered.
I see from the cite you provided that Ben Levy represented him. I knew him. He had some questionable legal ethics I heard about when I was in law school in the 1980s that one of our professors made a joke about. He turned into a creepy old man.
bondwooley
(1,198 posts)freshwest
(53,661 posts)Notafraidtoo
(402 posts)It's expensive to put homeless people in jail and have them go to the emergency room because of something easily avoidable if they had shelter and food. Just expand homeless shelters and mental health facility's and make NFL teams pay for their own damn football stadiums. We are such a sick nation,
bondwooley
(1,198 posts)We don't want to scare anyone with logic.
nessa
(317 posts)DirkGently
(12,151 posts)Food Not Bombs was feeding the homeless in a downtown park. Big lawsuit. Ultimately, the food was permitted at City Hall instead, which pretty much worked.
But recently they've banned food trucks. I assumed it was local restauranteurs jealous of the competition (the food trucks were amazing). Now I wonder if it was also yet another poke at the homeless.
onethatcares
(16,183 posts)saying up to 34 people could be fed by Food Not Bombs Orlando(and others) but the 35th guy was always
a police undercover which would cause the arrest of those feeding the homeless. How could you turn away
the last one?
Maybe Jesus did that on the mount, I'm not really sure.
DirkGently
(12,151 posts)Jesus.
nessa
(317 posts).
DirkGently
(12,151 posts)of County Commissioners, though.
Liberal_in_LA
(44,397 posts)bobGandolf
(871 posts)What is it with all the people who live in these states?
The citizens of those states should be screaming about the absurdity.
nessa
(317 posts).
bondwooley
(1,198 posts)running them out and making it another town's problem, they should do something to solve their own in a dignified way.
zabet
(6,793 posts)there were 3 homeless men living in the woods in a park near a boat ramp on the river that runs along the edge of town. Several local people and a couple of the small Churches in the area were feeding and clothing these men, especially coats and blankets in cold weather.
The mayor of this town (a female Dem) chose to clear out the wooded area of all bushes and thinned the trees in order to run the homeless men out.
I personally would have rather seen our tax dollars spent on something that would help out these homeless instead of tens of thoudsnds of dollars spent destroying the only area they used (it was also easy for them to walk from the park to anywhere they needed).....the money was spent in an attempt to run them out of town.
Also, the city cops will escort any homeless they find to the city limits and tell them to keep moving on to the next town.
The city nor the county has any help for the homeless at all.
A homeless Veteran slept on a cot on our Church doorstep.....we fed him, gave him the cot, it wasn't long before the cops told us we couldn't do this and the veteran had to leave. After some checking we discovered this veteran had over $80,000 being held by an attorney because the veteran had no mailing address. The attorney had held this veteran's money for over 6 years.....we got him a mailing address and a place to live and finally got his money released from the attorney (who greedily drew interest and then charged a % of the $80,000 for 'taking care of' the money.
Why does it seem that those that have plenty are so callous and greedy? One woman I know that dropped food for these men once a week is a non-working mother with a child with spinal bifada....she barely has 2 nickles to rub together but she managed to feed these men. Why do all the wealthy hate the homeless? The mayor owns a huge oil company, the attorney is 4th generation legal beagle in his family, and these 2 people have plenty of money but they act like the great 'unwashed masses' are beneath them.
bondwooley
(1,198 posts)rarely have a heart. As Steinbeck wrote:
"If youre in trouble, or hurt or need--go to the poor people. Theyre the only ones thatll help--the only ones."
Lifelong Protester
(8,421 posts)This sounds like the 1930s and "The Grapes of Wrath" all over again.
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)they should be exempt from these fees.
How is this not considered to be government interfering with the free exercise of religion?