Wait for it.

and secretly want to be stranded in Russia.

it might not be for their own good. I don't think we can say anything for certain now.

That is what did it for me...a sure sign of a traitor.

He has a better track record than the NSA that's for sure

It will be big and depressing. This is why all the stuff hasn't been released it takes time to sink in how bad it really is.

.....he'd be prosecuted for his same sex marriage.

Please provide a link.

married. It says that Greenwald's partner would not have been permitted to immigrate to the United States until after the overturning of the Defense of Marriage Act.

He never said he would have faced prosecution for his gay marriage.

And he is correct that now his re-entry into the country of his birth might face another (or more than just one other) legal obstacle.

....under he Defense of Marriage Act. It wasn't just his partner. Now that it has been declared unconstitutional, he's got a new excuse.

He and Snowden deserve each other - two peas in pod - two egotistical cowards.

On another note, funny how Putin was cozy with Obama and the US before Snowden snuck into Moscow and started spilling his guts.

and question the intelligence and patriotism of those who claim they don't.

....but that doesn't change the fact that except for a relatively small group of zealots and groupies, no one really cares any longer about these two narcissistic attention whores, and your "questioning" doesn't diminish the intelligence and patriotism of me or anyone else who has an opinion different than yours.

When in doubt, just fling an insult or two, huh?

Yes, your repeated postings really show how little you care.

What I really said was "except for a relatively small group of zealots and groupies, no one really cares any longer about these two narcissistic attention whores".

Why did you leave the first part of that sentence out?

My point was you obviously care enough to comment repeatedly. If you want to go further and call yourself names about it...well I'm not going to stop you. Tell us more about the people who care enough to talk about Snowden and Greenwald.

....Greenwald threw him under the bus last year: Guardian journalist Glenn Greenwald, who first published Snowden's disclosures, seemed to contradict his source: "Snowden's leak is basically done," he tweeted earlier. "It's newspapers — not Snowden — deciding what gets disclosed and in what sequence." from the Intelligencer 07/01/13. No honor among thieves. They're BFF again.

Do you like the fact that your government is logging your every move and communication?

And if you do like it, please explain why. I have wondered why so many people like having a number and being tracked electronically.

I can't understand people who want the same government that can try you, imprison you and then put you on the chain called parole when you go home to know the name, telephone number, e-mail addresses, street addresses, places of work, friends, etc. of every person with whom they communicate to have the ability to track them. Please explain your view and your feelings about being personally under surveillance as though you were a criminal. I assume you are not a criminal.

He's a willing tool of the far right. As for his revelations, he hasn't made any. As for his effect on the NSA, he hasn't had any that weren't already in the works. He's a propaganda puppet, like Palin. Maybe he's something higher up in BAH, who knows. Who cares? He's a creature of the far right and they're dangerous.

you could say that myself and JDPriestly are RWNJ's. If you want to say that, come right out and say it.

That's not guilt by association, it's guilt.

Stalin, and Paul Ryan. None of that sideline information makes his revelations less damaging.

It doesn't.

You can sing all day about Rand Paul and every evil person on earth. The world wasn't shocked when a person revealed torture by those that killed Emmet Till were black, white or associated with a church. No, they simply spoke up.

Continue with this line of thought. I can continue all day why guilt by association fails.

Hey you walked into that one.

I did it intentionally. Now, tell me how lynching a person is ever just.

Even if you figuratively do character assassination.

I'll wait.

He didn't know anything about what was in those millions of files he downloaded and absconded with before he did it--beyond what most all of the rest of us already knew: to wit, that there was a massive meta-data collection program initiated with the Patriot Act.

That is why, in my mind (and in the minds of many others) he was not a whistle blower: he did not have personal previous knowledge of the entire contents of these files that he wanted to expose. He just wanted to do a fishing expedition.

more than most, and as a sys admin at even a small company, I know exactly why he knew that much. Mind you, I approach my job that I am a priest and should never disclose what I know. I never will. Snowden did, though, and it rocked the world whether you wish to downplay that or not.

When you repeatedly overstep your bounds with torture, with illegal surveillance and intimidation, eventually the public will rein your ass in. Experience it, because it is NEEDED.

He said nothing before he stole info that wasn't his and that he swore an oath to keep safe, the name Snowden will become synonymous with other famous traitors like Quisling, as for in fact being a traitor, his words say it all: “Russia… my gratitude and respect for being the first to stand against human rights violations carried out by the powerful rather than the powerless. By refusing to compromise their principles in the face of intimidation, earned the respect of the world.” — Edward Snowden. Now that's funny.

and regardless of what the folks that want to defend the NSA/Obama think, he will be remembered as much throughout history.

The Russians are not going to offer him permanent asylum. Why haven't they yet? I'll say it again, no one likes an outed spy. He's as patriotic as John Walker.

Really?

Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't realize that an insult like he is "sucking a man's dick" was acceptable on DU. It's not like it's gay slur or anything.

What is wrong with you?

There are plenty explanations for the meaning of the phrase.

I have a weak and confused mind. Glad to see you can come right on in and insult members that have given their all to this site without censure.

...can be the sign of a weak mind. Considering all the possible meanings of the phrase, your accusation of my use of it as a gay slur says more about your perceptions than it does my intent. You should really ask before accusing. I used it just to get in the pun about Vlad vs. bad. Your confusion is likely apparent by being critical of me about an assumption you made while assuming the role of critic yourself and accusing me of something I didn't do. Sounds like confusion, possibly even acting in a hypocritical manner, to me."Given their all", does that mean you don't do anything besides hang out at DU?

on that one and let that vile shit stand. I just don't know about this place anymore.

I've done my part by being a host on DU3. I've dedicated time to keeping ugly shit from infecting the site, but apparently, that isn't necessary anymore. I will finish my term as a GD host, as I always have, with fairness and honor, and then I won't do it anymore.

when sanity had the edge over lunacy and treachery.

You tried. But you can't do it alone.

and I was insulted right up thread. When that is okay, homophobia is okay, and generally insulting people who give a shit about the site is okay, it's time to just throw in the towel.

to a few selected outlets. As you can see here, Snowden and Greenwald are still working together and Snowden comments from time-to-time. Is there a profit motive, absolutely! Greenwald is a journalist by trade and Snowden just threw away all chances for a normal life in the states and is going to require a lot of money on the run.
The sad thing is that this is not, and should not, really be about Snowden except to the extent that we need to have frank discussions about whistleblowers and their protection. This should be about how our personal information and conversations are being siphoned up illegally by our own Government, the private companies that have access to our information, and that our government has lied to us about it all!

On the internet he's a blogger that does commentary. If he's a journalist, so is everyone with a blog, those that are backed by billionaire sugar daddies anyway. This is about Snowden because he never blew the whistle about anything illegal. Or are you trying to say that the three branches of government have gone rogue and are out to get you? The press has been reporting on NSA spying revelations since at least 2005. What have your congressional reps said about it?

in fact. It is illegal, and Congress cannot make it legal unless they amend the Constitution.

As for bloggers, the Constitution guarantees freedom of the press. The internet blogs are today's press. I don't subscribe to a newspaper. Newspapers are a thing of the past. Electronic news and blogs are the press of today. That is obvious from the fact that the TV news media is protected by the freedom of the press although it is not an ink and paper medium.

All of us who blog or write our opinions on-line enjoy the freedom of speech and the freedom of the press that used to only belong to newspapers. Is the New York Times edition on the internet the press? Of course. Is the op-ed page of the New York Times the press? Yes even though it only prints the opinions of people who, for the most part, probably have far less education, knowledge or experience in the world than many of us on DU including me.

DU is a part of the press. We disseminate news and opinion just like newspapers used to do.

A major in journalism or a rich daddy (William Hearst) does not give you a greater right to freedom of the press and expression than the ability to write and type on the internet.

The Times They Are A'Changin'.

I'm so disgusted with the ignorance and lack of education of most of the news pretties on TV that I no longer watch them much. There are a few exceptions, but most of them are just actors and actresses or reality show "stars." They do not understand the news or history well enough to report current events in depth or even accurately.

The press is no longer defined as ink and paper. You are the press as am I.

.... The Patriot Act. As a matter of fact the vast majority of Congress at the time, voted to make it a requirement. May their fearful souls be forever cursed. That's the cover the government uses. The comparison of a blogger to the established press doesn't hold up to even superficial scrutiny. How is a blogger going to corroborate a source or verify the validity of a statement? Ask another blogger? No the internet is not the same as the press. But that Greenwald clown has a rich sugar daddy, does that make him a journalist or just the blogging part?

Thanks guys.