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xchrom

(108,903 posts)
Mon Apr 7, 2014, 09:15 AM Apr 2014

Why isn’t there a Neil deGrasse Tyson for the humanities? We blame Camille Paglia

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/04/07/why-isnt-there-a-neil-degrasse-tyson-for-the-humanities-we-blame-camille-paglia/



Last week, Adam Weinstein asked on Gawker: Where Is the Humanities’ Neil deGrasse Tyson? Coming on the heels of Nick Kristof’s badly-framed and much-derided call for professors to speak more broadly and openly to nonacademic audiences (as if we don’t already do that, every chance we get), Weinstein’s question was easy to misframe and deride. Also, it was on Gawker, so it was all the more tempting for academics to dismiss, as if it were a “which obscure humanist are you?” quiz on Buzzfeed.

But it’s a very good question, and Weinstein asked it as someone who believes in the humanities. Laments about the decline of the humanities are one of the few growth areas in the American intellectual economy, so why shouldn’t there be a “Cosmos”-like show devoted to explaining what’s been going on in the humanities for the past thirty years, and why it matters?

And it’s not about undergraduate enrollments, or high school, or grade school. Tyson happens to be entirely right about who needs shows like “Cosmos”:

The challenge has been adults… All the adults are saying, “We need to improve science in the world. Let’s train the kids.” I’ve never heard an adult say, “We need more science in the world. Train me.” I’ve never heard an adult say that. It’s the adults that need the science literacy, the kind of literacy that can transform the nation practically overnight.

But the same argument could be made, a fortiori, about the humanities– on behalf of all the people who don’t use sentences with “a fortiori” in them. The humanities are, after all, about human cultures and histories; and in recent years, they have also been about the boundaries of the human (in relation to animals, artificial intelligence, and the ecosphere) and facets of being human that had long been underacknowledged (in queer theory and disability studies and the medical humanities). It’s really quite fascinating stuff, and I don’t say this because I’m a humanities professor. Quite the contrary: I became a humanities professor because this material is really quite fascinating stuff.
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Why isn’t there a Neil deGrasse Tyson for the humanities? We blame Camille Paglia (Original Post) xchrom Apr 2014 OP
I nominate Sister Wendy! Heidi Apr 2014 #1
!!!! xchrom Apr 2014 #2
seconded! AND she knows her history MisterP Apr 2014 #6
One of the challenges... Jeff In Milwaukee Apr 2014 #3
"She accumulated a legion of fanbois thrilled that a woman was allowing them to listen to... Tom Ripley Apr 2014 #4
Garbage packaged as high-brow thought... joeybee12 Apr 2014 #9
Exactly. I like both "trash" and "high brow", but unlike Paglia I can tell the difference... Tom Ripley Apr 2014 #10
A woman I used to work with said she would never date a guy who used to be joeybee12 Apr 2014 #11
There's nothing wrong with recovering Catholics...I married one! Tom Ripley Apr 2014 #12
Hah! Yeah, I think I'm ok, but a friend's brother is dreadful... joeybee12 Apr 2014 #13
We used to have Kenneth Clark csziggy Apr 2014 #5
We have Indiana Jones. Vashta Nerada Apr 2014 #7
Several of my favorite human beings are humanities professors KamaAina Apr 2014 #8

Jeff In Milwaukee

(13,992 posts)
3. One of the challenges...
Mon Apr 7, 2014, 10:08 AM
Apr 2014

While scientific disagreements certainly exist, they exist within a framework of what it known to be true and empirically provable. There are confines to scientific discourse that are largely absent from the humanities. This allows a welter of confused and confusing academic philosophies to take root. So it's really no surprise that the humanities has not developed a public voice similar to that of the physical sciences.

The phrase "herding cats" comes to mind.

 

Tom Ripley

(4,945 posts)
4. "She accumulated a legion of fanbois thrilled that a woman was allowing them to listen to...
Mon Apr 7, 2014, 10:13 AM
Apr 2014

the Stones and getting their girlfriends to think sexy thoughts."

A beautiful summation of the appeal of "Outlaw" Paglia and her lightweight pretensions.
I always found it highly ironic that someone who came along at the right time and the right place sporting the right chromosomes railed against Affirmation Action so stridently.

 

Tom Ripley

(4,945 posts)
10. Exactly. I like both "trash" and "high brow", but unlike Paglia I can tell the difference...
Mon Apr 7, 2014, 05:55 PM
Apr 2014

and can enjoy the low guilt-free without ridiculously attempting to elevate it.
Honestly, I've always thought the "oh-so-edgy renegade" still carries around a lot of Catholic baggage.

 

joeybee12

(56,177 posts)
11. A woman I used to work with said she would never date a guy who used to be
Mon Apr 7, 2014, 06:04 PM
Apr 2014

Catholic, because they're the worst in regards to carrying baggage from that time! Could be...I'm a "recovering Catholic" myself.

 

joeybee12

(56,177 posts)
13. Hah! Yeah, I think I'm ok, but a friend's brother is dreadful...
Mon Apr 7, 2014, 06:11 PM
Apr 2014

Cannot miss an opportunity to bash the Church...I mean, I agree with him, but he brings it up all the time!

csziggy

(34,137 posts)
5. We used to have Kenneth Clark
Mon Apr 7, 2014, 10:15 AM
Apr 2014

His series Civilization is still considered a classic. It was re-broadcast on BBC HD in 2011 and is available in HD and Blu-Ray.



My freshman year in college, Civilization was part of our core humanities program. I still have the book somewhere.

It's record in the USA is interesting: "The series had difficulty at first in finding a home on American television, but success was assured after the National Gallery of Art in Washington put it on at lunchtime in the gallery theatre. This seated 300 people, but on the first day 24,000 turned up.[6] In 1970, the newly established Public Broadcasting Service aired the 13-part TV series in the US to high ratings." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilisation_%28TV_series%29

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
8. Several of my favorite human beings are humanities professors
Mon Apr 7, 2014, 04:51 PM
Apr 2014

any of them would do nicely. This one is even more fun than Neil:

http://www.lsa.umich.edu/english/people/profile.asp?ID=1244



but she does have a tendency to speak in her native Academese, sometimes going even over my Ivy League head.

edit: Oddly enough, her partner's name is Neil.

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