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So if a parent saved her cat from a burning house but left her children inside... (Original Post) Orrex Apr 2014 OP
i think you're taking a metaphor too seriously. nt dionysus Apr 2014 #1
I hope so, but I'm not so sure. nt Orrex Apr 2014 #2
as for myself, when i say i value my cat more than most people, i'm not entirely serious. dionysus Apr 2014 #3
Yup. ;) Desert805 Apr 2014 #17
Is this because of that PETA thread? Or the anthropomorphism one? Electric Monk Apr 2014 #4
What the heck are you talking about? Marrah_G Apr 2014 #5
Is this PETSM? (People for the Ethical Teatment of Straw Men) cthulu2016 Apr 2014 #6
Not a straw man at all Orrex Apr 2014 #7
How can AR activists find time for all this rescuing LeftyMom Apr 2014 #8
AR activists are famous for their skills at multi-tasking. Orrex Apr 2014 #10
What was wrong with the original thread? krawhitham Apr 2014 #9
Something was wrong with it? Orrex Apr 2014 #11
Oh I get it krawhitham Apr 2014 #12
Thanks for the kick Orrex Apr 2014 #13
Assuming that the cat and the children were in the same room, it would be negligent homicide FarCenter Apr 2014 #14
No it would not be. LisaL Apr 2014 #19
Do you think firefighters should attempt to save pets? Beaverhausen Apr 2014 #15
Sure. Why not? Orrex Apr 2014 #16
This thread does not allow AnalystInParadise Apr 2014 #18
Not going to happen BainsBane Apr 2014 #20
Well given I have had to make this choice...sort off. nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #21
I just told sumbuddy...earlier today...that... GReedDiamond Apr 2014 #22
You're leaving out an important fact: kentauros Apr 2014 #23
First I have to ask Beearewhyain Apr 2014 #24

dionysus

(26,467 posts)
3. as for myself, when i say i value my cat more than most people, i'm not entirely serious.
Wed Apr 9, 2014, 10:44 PM
Apr 2014

not entirely facetious either. but hey.

 

Electric Monk

(13,869 posts)
4. Is this because of that PETA thread? Or the anthropomorphism one?
Wed Apr 9, 2014, 10:45 PM
Apr 2014

Or it could be both, I suppose...

I know what I would do, no question. Save the human child first, then the pet if possible. Even if it was some strangers kid and my own pet. Ideally, I'd save them both at once, though. My dog would be smart enough to stick with me as I carried out the child

cthulu2016

(10,960 posts)
6. Is this PETSM? (People for the Ethical Teatment of Straw Men)
Wed Apr 9, 2014, 10:47 PM
Apr 2014

Or did someone say that? And if so, why no reply to them there where it would make more sense, being in context.

Orrex

(63,234 posts)
7. Not a straw man at all
Wed Apr 9, 2014, 10:54 PM
Apr 2014

It has been repeatedly stated that people value their pets more highly than humans, that dogs are better than humans. My question is an entirely reasonable response to that claim.


And I posted it here, rather than in one of those other threads, because I didn't want to thread-jack.

LeftyMom

(49,212 posts)
8. How can AR activists find time for all this rescuing
Wed Apr 9, 2014, 10:56 PM
Apr 2014

when we're so busy getting stuck on desert islands with almost nothing to eat?

 

FarCenter

(19,429 posts)
14. Assuming that the cat and the children were in the same room, it would be negligent homicide
Wed Apr 9, 2014, 11:10 PM
Apr 2014

at least.

Beaverhausen

(24,472 posts)
15. Do you think firefighters should attempt to save pets?
Wed Apr 9, 2014, 11:20 PM
Apr 2014

Let's say all humans in the burning building are safe. Should pets be saved at all?

Orrex

(63,234 posts)
16. Sure. Why not?
Wed Apr 9, 2014, 11:28 PM
Apr 2014

If the firefighters decide that it's safe to do so, then I'd say that's up to them.

But if the humans are safe and the situation too dangerous, I certainly wouldn't fault them for opting out, either.

 

AnalystInParadise

(1,832 posts)
18. This thread does not allow
Wed Apr 9, 2014, 11:50 PM
Apr 2014

me to sharpen my global warming axe that I can never shut the fuck up about......Down vote.

BainsBane

(53,093 posts)
20. Not going to happen
Thu Apr 10, 2014, 02:51 AM
Apr 2014

The people who said they would save their pet over a person don't have kids at home with them. Their pets are their family. Everyone needs love, and some people find that in their pets. What's to get so outraged about? It's not your life.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
21. Well given I have had to make this choice...sort off.
Thu Apr 10, 2014, 03:01 AM
Apr 2014

Our search yielded the family cat first, which was taken out by a firefighter. When we found the kid, well we took the kid out. It was pretty close by the way.

Both made it, and the kid was so happy to see her cat after they let her out of the ER. We kept the cat at the station after a vet gave her an a-ok. It was a very happy reunion.

Though I remembered a very scared cat clawing the living daylights out of my bunker coat as the Oxygen took it's effect. Thank the lords for that bunker coat!!! Mostly bacteria under kitty's claws, and it is not nice.

For the record, searches in smoke field rooms are by feel mostly, and kids and pets tend to hide in similar places. By your logic we should not have removed the cat until we found the kid. But hey, I actually speak from experience here. How about you?

GReedDiamond

(5,318 posts)
22. I just told sumbuddy...earlier today...that...
Thu Apr 10, 2014, 03:10 AM
Apr 2014

...my favorite living person was my cat, Chibi.

Chibi is 5 years older now and diabetic.

VHMC -- Very High Maintenance Cat.

My only (human) "child" is 32 y.o. and on his own.

But if he showed up in the middle of a fire in my house, I would rescue my (human) "child" first over Chibi the Cat.

I think I could get both of them out, though.

Happy Ending.

Beearewhyain

(600 posts)
24. First I have to ask
Thu Apr 10, 2014, 03:52 AM
Apr 2014

Is this a normative ethics question or an applied ethics question. Which ever you say it is I am still confused. Ethics is hard...to define.

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