I don't think it's a good form of protest. I didn't then and I don't now.

--when we killed a million Iraqis and destroyed their infrastructure, and made millions more homeless?

(Yes, I know that only 200K or so were actually blown up or shot, but you're just as dead if you have a heart attack and the hospital that could have saved you has been blown up. At least that's how The Lancet figured it.)

What did Hillary do to this woman?

and I'd bet you claim to be a Dem too.

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otherwise of course you care, otherwise why post on a public web site?

You care that people know where you stand, you care that you make your thoughts be known....dont' give me that crap that you don't care, because not only did you post twice in quick succession, you also repsonded to my post.

You care deeply.


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This is the person you are supporting instead of a Dem...how clever are you?

on a democratic message board ?

What exactly was her concern? How well did she convert to Hillary or her desired audience?

And why did she feel that her right to "speak" was more important than Hillary's?

Not a good thing to be throwing a shoe at anybody. She already had something wrong in her head. I can't imagine getting hit by a show would help anything. I am so glad she ducked.

I'm not a Hillary supporter for 2016, but only a crazy person would throw a shoe at her.

Anyway, I'm glad that Hillary was not hurt and that she took advantage of the opportunity to show that she has a sense of humor. She handled it a lot better than GWB did when someone threw a shoe at him.

I hope that shoe-throwing does not become something people do to politicians. That's terrible. Someone could get hurt.

That is pretty fast thinking. She turned an threat into an opportunity.

I'm not a huge supporter of her either, but I'm glad the nutcase that threw the shoe missed. It does look like it was pretty close though.

I thought Hillary handled it very well. She also joked that she was glad the woman hadn't played softball like she (Hillary) had!

which contact the group are considered a way to insult others or emphasize their insults.
I can understand why an Iraqi may throw his shoe at Bush, who invaded his country and set their nation ablaze with civil strife. But there is no excuse for it in this country by it s citizens.

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Seriously, the very first comment on a website supporting Democrats is THIS? I'm a left-winger who disapproves of corporate influence in our government as much as the next left-winger, but even I think throwing shoes at HRC is above and beyond, and your comment was definitely hide-worthy.

Seen quite a few long-time DUers PPR'd this past year - being a long-time DUer doesn't give you the right to post anything you want.

"very first comment on a Dem site" to mean you thought he was new to DU. I see it could be read differently.

In the mid-east, yes.

Embellishment R Us.

Just guessing the shoe thrower had someone close to her killed in that Iraq debacle that Hillary thumbs upped for.

Fact: Lots of people lost lots of loved ones to that.

Now continue with Your bullshit defense.

I never said anything about Hillary or the woman since I don't know what the woman's motives were and neither do you, but gives you an opportunity to make an anti-Clinton spew based on a motive you do not know is correct

or do you think it was BenGazaraGauzie related?

Just a guess and yes, I don't know. Neither do you.
Both of us may find out soon.

Fact Stands: Hillary sent other peoples kids to war while Chelsea was safe and sound.

But I will always say Hillary was so wrong on the Iraq war and can be just as wrong again, on the same subject. Especially if there was no genuine apology about it. That should scare the freaking shit out.

voted for it based only on their political considerations

When/if they do, they will get treatment as well and measure will be taken by all their deeds and misdeeds.

All we hear is this "she's the most qualified" nonsense. If being naive enough to trust Bush and his cronies makes you qualified to run the country, we're in trouble.

What a load of horse shit.

from today on, President Hillary Clinton needs to ensure that the Secret Service is always available 100 percent of the time. Stay safe Madam President. We need you desperately in 2016. January 2017 will be the best day for America when we swear-in President Hillary Rodham Clinton.

Good to hear it.

She's had it since her husband ran for president. She's a former first lady, she's entitled to SS protection for life. Just as do the Carters, Bushes, etc.

I was just thinking that it phased out after so many years or that, seeing how they are multi-millionaires, they paid for their own security.

Generally, every ex-President, their spouses and their children are assigned a Secret Service security detail for life. This was changed from life to ten years in 1994, but President Obama reverted it back to a life-time status again.

Only the presidential couple get it.

The law was established after the Kennedy assassination. When Bill Clinton was president, Congress changed the law. The presidents after Clinton and their wives would only get 10 years of SS after they left office. The original law was reinstated after 9/11/01. We live in a dangerous world, no one wants to see a former president or first lady assassinated. it's traumatic for the nation. Therefore, they all get SS protection for life.

In 1967 Che Guevara entered Bolivia to set up a secret base. "Operation Cynthia" was a sweep of 2,500 Bolivian troops to find him. They failed and lost more soldiers than the guerrillas. Pres. Barrientos of Bolivia requests help from Argentina and is refused.

What this has to do with anything these days is a complete mystery.
Maybe she's just a nut.

And why did this nut think that Hillary had anything to do with whatever happened in 1967???

that way. But most likely, she is crazy.

From the article in Wikipedia, I would guess that Hillary was at Wellesley in 1967.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary_Rodham_Clinton

She turned 20 that October. Whatever the woman's issue is, it can't have anything to do with Hillary's college years.

A shoe wouldn't probably have caused too much harm if it actually had hit her, but it's the lone person with a weapon that SS fear the most. Look what happened to Gabby Giffords. The man was mentally disturbed. He killed several people, including a child, and almost killed Gabby. That's why, although it was only a shoe, the SS takes these kinds of assaults seriously.

or being so bloody stupid as to believe the Chimperor and the PNACers with that lil ole war thing.

FYI

"Incoming fire has the right of way."

How can anyone take you seriously when you are always writing nonsense?

taking large money for pretty speeches from Sachs and Carlyle, calling McCain a better Presidential candidate than her primary opponent. and all kinds of unpleasant etcs...

All Nonsense, only in my imagination these things happened.

yep yep

The woman was not protesting the war in Iraq.

I perceive your Hillary comments the same way I perceive the Obama bashing comments. Just knee-jerk and unkind.

Sending thousands to their graves in an illegal war is "unkind". Whisp makes valid points.

I have written at length about Clinton's IWR vote. I have done so without being unkind.

They are all guilty. Guilty of naivety or guilty of lying and misleading the American public.


If Hillary wanted to prove herself as a strong leader there was no better time than putting her foot down on Iraq, she sold out her party, the American people and American service men and woman.







And Bush should be tried for war crimes.

Not lying, as nothing Clinton said was untrue, particularly as she was one of the only senators to speak before the vote, but that she likely knew Bush would attack Iraq without WMDs being found.

That said, the enabling vote would not have stopped Bush.

No two ways about it. Millions knew the war was a farce, she chose Bush and Cheney and thus proved she doesn't have the judgement or critical thinking skills necessary to run the country.

She knew Bush's intent.

Sorry if that offends, but it's on the record(s).

"shoe thrower had someone close to her killed in that Iraq debacle..."

Prophecies and guesses are a wonderful way to display the strength of one's arguments.

There is always that when I run out of Real Facts - which I won't because there are so many but I still reserve the right to say that, because apparently it's okay to do that on DU. I'm not much into keeping score here, but I am fairly certain that some people who want to ignore the many warts and faults of Hillary and call for the ref when someone points out facts about Hillary they just don't want to hear, well I just wonder if they praised that 'piece of shit' p.o.s. post. Whether as a rec or a silent, YAH! Where that post was completely and utterly wrong in the accusation and got shameful support.

Bringing up the Iraq war, where Hillary owns a percentage of the maim and suffering and death of Iraqis and of American soldiers and personnel, is appropriate, any time. You and she cannot hide from that glaring fact.

She owns a % of that debacle and should be reminded of that regularly. If I was a stat person I would count up the votes agreeing with the Chimperor, and divide the number of killed and maimed and hang it on each and every one of those Idiots that voted for The Chief Idiot's false war. Bring a body count in, show just how ugly being 'wrong' with this sort of decision can be.

Gloss over if it's important to your well being or well feeling about her, but that is a Truth that cannot be denied -- Hillary helped George Bush kill people.

"An attendee later handed a reporter a piece of paper that was apparently thrown by the woman. It appeared to be a copy of a Department of Defense document labeled confidential and dated August 1967; it referred to an operation "Cynthia" in Bolivia."

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/object-thrown-hillary-clinton-speech-23280934

It is about the only way one can get their attention anymore short of a 6 figure check or a sack o cash.

Adelson and the Kochs probably need some soles to the head!

The Representative for Goldman Sacks

If it is good enough for the Koch's, it should be good enough for politicians.

or who have made fortunes during their time in office. We don't need the ones who work for the 1% and spit on the 99%. We don't need heartless, moneygrubbing, influence peddling grifters. And that crosses both sides of the aisle.

but they have no solutions...

We can make our views known with the power of words.

Our words and ideas are better.

besides you will have better results talking to the wall.

It does not matter how good or great your ideas are you want those in power to hear ya, it is gonna cost ya.

But sometimes the people's voices get through.

Mitch McConnell asks "who do you want to lead the Senate" on FB. Commenters release the kraken.
https://www.facebook.com/McConnellForSenate/photos/a.454617221227460.101200.259130650776119/717435838278929/?type=1

place. now they will just ignore it and not talk about it or blame it liberals from DU or KOS flooding the site and skewing the results.

We're better off staying in the reality-based community.

in the face.

Joe Biden should never be president!
Smoking Joe would have calmly picked up the shoe and thrown it back. With full intent to hit his target.
Joe Biden, Vice President for life.
Or at least until he got tired of the job.

Oh, come on now, just picture that.

I think I'll favor on the side of a shoe throw now and then. I imagine Hillary is perfectly able to move beyond the incident and the net effect to America policy will be negligible.

Sniper fire? Shoes? Is there anything she can't dodge?!?!


A regular Matt Murdock!

Dying over her!

I lost it when she shot the guy under the tank!

would have been the honest and direct answer.

I would respect her for that, for just taking the lumps and carry on, but no, she got to do her stupid lunatic thing.

Unprepared and so Unelectable. Bag of Hammers Hillary.

I see that you're new here..........

Same old shit, different day.

You are attacking fellow Democrats by disagreeing with them, so stop or I'll puke.

It is important that we get behind the chosen person even if we have misgivings, so bite your tongue.

Don't criticize the candidate because it might mean losing the election, so stifle. STFU

Our candidate won the election, so let's give him/her a chance before you start criticizing.

Remember there are off-season elections to worry about, so you ought to stop with the trash talk or do you want to elect Republicans?

You are attacking fellow Democrats by disagreeing with them, so stop or I'll puke.

What do you know? You are right.

"Same old shit, different day."

This is an article about a woman throwing a shoe at Hillary. That's good enough excuse for some here to vent their spleen. So don't you tell me that I'm the one starting anything. Hillary is a Democrat. If some don't like that, then vote for someone else in the primaries. I don't really care. In the meantime, there's no need to piss on every single Clinton article, no matter the topic.

draws bipolar narcissists.

is a Hillary supporter... She handled it as smooth as Obama would have.
Sad to see so much spleen against her, especially since Warren has sworn not to run.