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Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
Thu Apr 10, 2014, 11:15 PM Apr 2014

Hey, asshole BMW driver, next time don't block the hydrant.



At the most dangerous point during what became an eight-alarm fire in East Boston Wednesday night, Boston firefighters scrambling to get water to their colleagues ran into a barrier: Someone had parked a BMW coupe in front of the hydrant near the blaze.

So they punched out the windows, ran a 4-inch hose from the hydrant through the driver’s side window, through the passenger’s side window, and out to an engine waiting to pump water to firefighters directly engaged in quelling a powerful fire threatening the neighborhood.

“The general reaction is that some people find humor in it,’’ said Boston Fire Department spokesman Steve MacDonald. “But it’s really a serious situation. That water supply is the lifeblood of the engine company. The engine carries 750 gallons – and that could be gone in just two minutes. With that number of alarms, every hydrant is important.’’

“There is really nothing funny about it,” he added.

http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2014/04/10/boston-firefighters-run-hose-through-car-parked-front-hydrant-east-boston-fire-scene/U6jeEBScIhlW3YutCLPS8L/story.html
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Hey, asshole BMW driver, next time don't block the hydrant. (Original Post) Nye Bevan Apr 2014 OP
Should get more than a $100 fine. hrmjustin Apr 2014 #1
Pretty pricey window repair, I imagine. Ms. Toad Apr 2014 #2
Very true. hrmjustin Apr 2014 #4
Plus the weight of the hose which shoots many PSI of water down that hose... Javaman Apr 2014 #51
You can bet they won't. Most municipalities block lawsuits in cases like this. eppur_se_muova Apr 2014 #66
Hell, I wish they'd had time to use the Jaws of Life to rip the entire fucking roof ... 11 Bravo Apr 2014 #73
The firefighters obviously agree. Jackpine Radical Apr 2014 #3
I have seen that once here in Brooklyn. hrmjustin Apr 2014 #5
I get pissed when I see people block hydrants Dorian Gray Apr 2014 #46
Try to bend a short radius on a pressurized 4" firehose. IllinoisBirdWatcher Apr 2014 #7
+1 Javaman Apr 2014 #52
You're right. I hadn't seen the photo of the other side of the car. Jackpine Radical Apr 2014 #54
I believe the bodywork with the firemans pry bars was a nice added touch Brother Buzz Apr 2014 #9
The owner will probably sue, he/she is probably... flamingdem Apr 2014 #15
He's free to do so.... Brother Buzz Apr 2014 #17
I hope they sue & everyone knows the a-hole's name. U4ikLefty Apr 2014 #18
Name should be pretty easy to find out - Ms. Toad Apr 2014 #57
Looks like a near 90 degree bend just off the hydrant and a second 45ish bend to cross the car. Half-Century Man Apr 2014 #24
Yeah, common sense would have used the other fitting and gone around the back of the car seveneyes Apr 2014 #45
I doubt the pry bars did that Travis_0004 Apr 2014 #47
Either way, shit happens Brother Buzz Apr 2014 #63
Replacing the Windows on a Beemer Will Cost a Few Bucks AndyTiedye Apr 2014 #16
6K...just had windows and a sunroof replaced.. HipChick Apr 2014 #26
what?.....should have been 3k at most Demonaut Apr 2014 #27
Sunroof alone was 4K...they had to replace entire catridge HipChick Apr 2014 #28
7 series? Demonaut Apr 2014 #29
X5 HipChick Apr 2014 #31
thats a huge sunroof..two glass panels and a large motorized cover..I sell BMW's Demonaut Apr 2014 #32
It's more like a moon roof...the entire thing had to be replaced.. HipChick Apr 2014 #74
What Happened to It? AndyTiedye Apr 2014 #72
I was out the country for weeks...came home HipChick Apr 2014 #75
I hope there was a leak in the hose. U4ikLefty Apr 2014 #6
Isn't "asshole BMW driver" a tautology? Spider Jerusalem Apr 2014 #8
No - we owned a BMW once starroute Apr 2014 #22
Just seems like 7 times out of 10... Spider Jerusalem Apr 2014 #34
Around here customerserviceguy Apr 2014 #48
I guess it's all where you're coming from starroute Apr 2014 #62
My anecdotal evidence backs that up bobduca Apr 2014 #65
The Google Bus is Actually a Very Good Thing AndyTiedye Apr 2014 #71
Anti-Google Bus Protesters (lol) bobduca Apr 2014 #76
What's the similarity between a BMW and a case of hemorrhoids? Flying Squirrel Apr 2014 #23
whats the difference between a porsche and a porcupine? Demonaut Apr 2014 #33
Politics? no. Plenty of assholes vote Democratic. Spider Jerusalem Apr 2014 #36
true Demonaut Apr 2014 #37
Not really. But here--some acronyms from the canonical car acronym list eridani Apr 2014 #43
Not the first time greyl Apr 2014 #10
Ever try to move a water main? Historic NY Apr 2014 #21
No, see how they configured the hose in a loop? Half-Century Man Apr 2014 #25
I'm sure the driver was important enough to flying rabbit Apr 2014 #11
Larry David would definitely call this driver a "pig parker". Initech Apr 2014 #19
This isn't the only case of it, either. Warpy Apr 2014 #12
Ron Howard even immortalized these incidents in "Backdraft". Aristus Apr 2014 #13
Been there, done that H. Cromwell Apr 2014 #14
I've always wanted to do that..... Historic NY Apr 2014 #20
I swear every time I see a story like this its a BMW. FreedRadical Apr 2014 #30
A TWO DAY OLD BMW blueamy66 Apr 2014 #67
Yep... FreedRadical Apr 2014 #68
Schadenfreude blueamy66 Apr 2014 #70
Fire trucks carry chains... jmowreader Apr 2014 #35
Doubtful. ForgoTheConsequence Apr 2014 #39
Yes, they have plenty of time for tow jobs when responding to fires . . . hatrack Apr 2014 #50
Sometimes moving the car works... H. Cromwell Apr 2014 #61
Yes, and they'll do that sometimes. Xithras Apr 2014 #64
Two windows AND a ticket. AtheistCrusader Apr 2014 #38
I see a lot more damage than that. Brigid Apr 2014 #56
Sucks to be the owner, huh? Warpy Apr 2014 #77
why not just break driver window, put car in neutral, and roll it out of the way? nt msongs Apr 2014 #40
Roll it where? Into the middle of the street? And how many minutes should they... Humanist_Activist Apr 2014 #42
Steering wheel is locked. nt Javaman Apr 2014 #53
Meh. pipi_k Apr 2014 #60
I admit Warren DeMontague Apr 2014 #41
Is this an appropriate time for a BMW joke? Cirque du So-What Apr 2014 #44
The New York Fire Department would do that in a minute, and rightfully so. badtoworse Apr 2014 #49
Park in front of a fire hydrant, you takes your chances. Rex Apr 2014 #55
Not funny at all hootinholler Apr 2014 #58
I'm looking at that and thinking... pipi_k Apr 2014 #59
This was an 8 alarm fire in an area of wooden structures jammed together Warpy Apr 2014 #78
The BMW owner got hosed. Arugula Latte Apr 2014 #69

Ms. Toad

(34,073 posts)
2. Pretty pricey window repair, I imagine.
Thu Apr 10, 2014, 11:22 PM
Apr 2014

With any luck, the insurance company won't cover the damage because it was the result of breaking the law.

Javaman

(62,530 posts)
51. Plus the weight of the hose which shoots many PSI of water down that hose...
Fri Apr 11, 2014, 09:00 AM
Apr 2014

will also screw up the doors pretty good.

eppur_se_muova

(36,263 posts)
66. You can bet they won't. Most municipalities block lawsuits in cases like this.
Fri Apr 11, 2014, 04:06 PM
Apr 2014

Park your car in the fire lane ? Expect it to be rammed out of the way -- fire trucks have reinforced front ends just for this purpose. And local ordinances will free the FD from any fault.

11 Bravo

(23,926 posts)
73. Hell, I wish they'd had time to use the Jaws of Life to rip the entire fucking roof ...
Fri Apr 11, 2014, 08:20 PM
Apr 2014

off the car!

Jackpine Radical

(45,274 posts)
3. The firefighters obviously agree.
Thu Apr 10, 2014, 11:22 PM
Apr 2014

That's why they broke out the side windows, I imagine. It looks like the could have run the hose over the roof or hood of the BMW, but they kinda intensified the lesson with their fire axes.

Dorian Gray

(13,496 posts)
46. I get pissed when I see people block hydrants
Fri Apr 11, 2014, 06:29 AM
Apr 2014

Someone blocked our driveway the other day. Getting the police and a tow truck to come took 9 hours. (Ample time for the driver to move the car him or herself.) That is a 95 dollar ticket plus a 300 towing fee. (And then there is the "per day" fee for storage at the facility.)

I would imagine that a hydrant ticket would be very expensive.

A knocking out of the windows is what the car deserves.

IllinoisBirdWatcher

(2,315 posts)
7. Try to bend a short radius on a pressurized 4" firehose.
Thu Apr 10, 2014, 11:34 PM
Apr 2014

In fact, try to bend it at all.

No way that hose would have bent up and over a car that close. Most likely the firemen did not have enough radius to connect the hose to the hydrant even while it was not under pressure.

Jackpine Radical

(45,274 posts)
54. You're right. I hadn't seen the photo of the other side of the car.
Fri Apr 11, 2014, 09:09 AM
Apr 2014

I suppose they might have gone under it if there was adequate clearance, but it's clear that they couldn't go over the hood or roof. As somenoe said, "nice body work."

Half-Century Man

(5,279 posts)
24. Looks like a near 90 degree bend just off the hydrant and a second 45ish bend to cross the car.
Fri Apr 11, 2014, 01:31 AM
Apr 2014

That is a significant drop in flow and pressure to fight the fire. I'm speaking as someone who plumbed in hundreds of pumps in my life.

 

seveneyes

(4,631 posts)
45. Yeah, common sense would have used the other fitting and gone around the back of the car
Fri Apr 11, 2014, 06:19 AM
Apr 2014

That would not have made such a statement, but it would have allowed better flow.

 

Travis_0004

(5,417 posts)
47. I doubt the pry bars did that
Fri Apr 11, 2014, 06:55 AM
Apr 2014

When they turned on the line, there is a ton of water pressure in the hose, and the hose would attempt to straighten itself out, which would easily dent those doors.

HipChick

(25,485 posts)
28. Sunroof alone was 4K...they had to replace entire catridge
Fri Apr 11, 2014, 01:47 AM
Apr 2014

and I got a discount..

I will never give up my beamers though

HipChick

(25,485 posts)
75. I was out the country for weeks...came home
Fri Apr 11, 2014, 09:00 PM
Apr 2014

to find a pool of water in the back passenger seat...where the sun/moon roof was letting snow/rain/ice in..

starroute

(12,977 posts)
22. No - we owned a BMW once
Fri Apr 11, 2014, 01:11 AM
Apr 2014

Paid $2500 used. Sweetest car we ever had. But then it got old enough to need constant repairs, and with parts having to come from Germany, we couldn't afford to keep it up. We were still able to sell it to someone else instead of junking it, though.

 

Spider Jerusalem

(21,786 posts)
34. Just seems like 7 times out of 10...
Fri Apr 11, 2014, 02:01 AM
Apr 2014

when someone cuts you off on the road, or doesn't stop for a pedestrian crossing, or can't be bothered to signal a turn or lane change, they're driving a BMW.

There's actually research that backs this up, in fact:


Drivers of BMWs frequently come in for anecdotal criticism for habits on the road that are perceived as aggressive.

Now, a couple of studies, one in the U.S. and another from the U.K., appear to provide statistical evidence that BMW drivers are, to be polite about it, complete jerks.

In the older study, by researchers at the University of California, BMW drivers were far less likely to stop for a pedestrian who had just entered a crosswalk, the New York Times notes. ”Fancy cars were less likely to stop,” researcher Paul K. Piff told the paper, adding, “BMW drivers were the worst.”

http://blogs.marketwatch.com/thetell/2013/08/13/bmw-drivers-really-are-jerks-studies-find/

customerserviceguy

(25,183 posts)
48. Around here
Fri Apr 11, 2014, 07:22 AM
Apr 2014

it's more like 8 or 9 out of 10, and it isn't just Beemers, it's Audis and Mercedes.

Give a CT/NY/NJ driver a German car, and he'll probably try to drive it like a Nazi.

starroute

(12,977 posts)
62. I guess it's all where you're coming from
Fri Apr 11, 2014, 11:07 AM
Apr 2014

In our case, the BMW was the car we got (at the insistence of a friend who was an auto body guy) after the VW beetle hit some black ice and had a close encounter with a stone wall. And these days we're driving a 20 year old Chevy Cavalier.

If you see cars as interesting and/or useful objects and you've never bought one new, you're going to relate to them a lot differently than if you treat them as status symbols.

And of course I also grew up on cautionary tales about my grandfather. In the 1920s, when he was making good money, he once bought a new car and traded it back in after two weeks because my grandmother objected to the color of the upholstery. And around the same time, my mother's younger sister literally believed that the term for a pedestrian was "son of a bitch."

If the average BMW driver these days is the modern equivalent of my grandfather, it would explain a lot.

bobduca

(1,763 posts)
65. My anecdotal evidence backs that up
Fri Apr 11, 2014, 11:54 AM
Apr 2014

Every time I'm almost run over by some speeding executive coming out of his alleyway parking garage at 40+mph, it has been a BMW.

If you own a BMW please don't drive like these rich fucks in SF.

AndyTiedye

(23,500 posts)
71. The Google Bus is Actually a Very Good Thing
Fri Apr 11, 2014, 08:14 PM
Apr 2014

People rail about the "Google Bus", but think of the alternative: they all drive to work in their Beemers. Do you really want that?

bobduca

(1,763 posts)
76. Anti-Google Bus Protesters (lol)
Fri Apr 11, 2014, 09:02 PM
Apr 2014

Not seen much respect for the anti-Google bus protest "movement" such as it is. The city should charge Google a nominal use fee for the use of the stops.

 

Flying Squirrel

(3,041 posts)
23. What's the similarity between a BMW and a case of hemorrhoids?
Fri Apr 11, 2014, 01:31 AM
Apr 2014

Sooner or later, every asshole gets one.



(Not quite the same as a tautology, still leaves room for a BMW owner who isn't an asshole)

Demonaut

(8,917 posts)
33. whats the difference between a porsche and a porcupine?
Fri Apr 11, 2014, 01:58 AM
Apr 2014

the pricks on the inside



Please don't assume car ownership dictates politics

Plenty of rw asshole subaru owners out there

eridani

(51,907 posts)
43. Not really. But here--some acronyms from the canonical car acronym list
Fri Apr 11, 2014, 05:29 AM
Apr 2014

Beautiful Mechanical Wonder
Big Money Works
Boring Middleclass Wankers
Born Moderately Wealthy
Break My Windows
Brings More Women
Broken Money Waster
Broke My Wallet
Bavarian Manure Wagon

greyl

(22,990 posts)
10. Not the first time
Thu Apr 10, 2014, 11:44 PM
Apr 2014


Seems like the firefighters may have been punishing the parkers in these cases. Couldn't the hose go more easily around the car than through it? Or, maybe it's just a way to demobilize the car during the firefight.

http://images.bimedia.net/images/fire+hydrant+in+boston.JPG

Historic NY

(37,449 posts)
21. Ever try to move a water main?
Fri Apr 11, 2014, 12:36 AM
Apr 2014

4 inch, 5 inch, 6 inch are essentially above gound water mains, they don't bend well. My answer is the driver didn't care about the residents so f--k them.

Half-Century Man

(5,279 posts)
25. No, see how they configured the hose in a loop?
Fri Apr 11, 2014, 01:34 AM
Apr 2014

That was done to preserve the pressure and rate of flow. Angler bends affect the ability to fight the fire.

Warpy

(111,267 posts)
12. This isn't the only case of it, either.
Thu Apr 10, 2014, 11:58 PM
Apr 2014
http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--XD3vxnDA--/c_fit,fl_progressive,w_636/184tno9t3i1wgjpg.jpg

Search Google for "fire hose through car windows" and get about a dozen pictures.

And yes, public safety trumps just about everything and firefighters can't wait for a tow truck.

Parking next to hydrants is stupid and dangerous. Just don't do it.

And yeah, I know what a pain it is to find parking spots in Boston.
 

H. Cromwell

(151 posts)
14. Been there, done that
Fri Apr 11, 2014, 12:08 AM
Apr 2014
I was a volunteer fire fighter for 25 years...on 3 different occasions we either pushed the vehicle away from the hydrant (it doesn't do a transmission good) or ran the LDH thru the windows.

FreedRadical

(518 posts)
30. I swear every time I see a story like this its a BMW.
Fri Apr 11, 2014, 01:50 AM
Apr 2014

I'm sure I am overstating this, but it just seems like it is always a beemer.

jmowreader

(50,557 posts)
35. Fire trucks carry chains...
Fri Apr 11, 2014, 02:02 AM
Apr 2014

Wouldn't it have been more efficient to hook a truck to asshole's car and drag it out of the way?

ForgoTheConsequence

(4,868 posts)
39. Doubtful.
Fri Apr 11, 2014, 02:56 AM
Apr 2014

Where are you going to drag it off to? It takes a few seconds to pop out two windows with a hammer. I'm not going to second guess trained professionals who know that every second matters.

 

H. Cromwell

(151 posts)
61. Sometimes moving the car works...
Fri Apr 11, 2014, 11:00 AM
Apr 2014

Back in 1975, (I joined the FD in 1974) I/we responded to a call--kitchen fire. A car was in front of the hydrant with ample space empty in front of it. The responding Engine was a 1932 Mack open cab fire truck with a large thick, steel, chromed front bumper. The engine driver put the bumper to the back of the car and not so gently, moved it out of the way. In doing so FUBARed the guys transmission. Surprisingly, the town govt. ended up paying for the guys transmission.

Xithras

(16,191 posts)
64. Yes, and they'll do that sometimes.
Fri Apr 11, 2014, 11:48 AM
Apr 2014

How firefighters respond to these situations depends on how quickly they need to get at that water. Years ago I saw a firetruck do exactly what you're suggesting. They tossed a hook and a chain onto the front suspension under the car, hooked the other end to the firetruck, and quickly backed the truck up...dragging the car out of the way by its front wheel. I'm not sure what they damaged, but I know that it had to be towed away afterward because it was no longer driveable.

Warpy

(111,267 posts)
77. Sucks to be the owner, huh?
Sat Apr 12, 2014, 12:18 AM
Apr 2014

Boston firefighters actually have to do this a lot. Parking in that city is insane. I didn't bother owning a car until I got a place with off street parking, an extreme rarity in such a jam packed city.

 

Humanist_Activist

(7,670 posts)
42. Roll it where? Into the middle of the street? And how many minutes should they...
Fri Apr 11, 2014, 04:11 AM
Apr 2014

have to waste to make sure this asshole's property is "protected"?

The rules are clear, don't park in front of fire hydrants, having lived in and near cities all my life, I have had to park my car a city block or two away from my destination because the only "spaces" free are those in front of hydrants, and I will not park in front of them, not even to run into a convenience store for a minute, I'd rather walk than be a danger to that community.

There are really no excuses here, and the responsibility to preserve your car ends when it endangers the welfare, safety and property of others.

pipi_k

(21,020 posts)
60. Meh.
Fri Apr 11, 2014, 10:01 AM
Apr 2014

If they had to break one window to do that, why not break the other one too?

Personally, I think they should have tried running it through the back windows first...





Cirque du So-What

(25,939 posts)
44. Is this an appropriate time for a BMW joke?
Fri Apr 11, 2014, 05:50 AM
Apr 2014

A BMW owner was involved in a horrific accident. When the paramedics arrived, they found that the semi-conscious driver had lost an arm. He was moaning, 'my Beemer! My Beemer!' One paramedic said, 'look, buddy, even though you lost an arm, you're still alive, right?' The driver, then realizing that he had lost a limb, started howling, 'my Rolex! My Rolex!'

 

badtoworse

(5,957 posts)
49. The New York Fire Department would do that in a minute, and rightfully so.
Fri Apr 11, 2014, 08:29 AM
Apr 2014

Only a selfish asshole would block a hydrant like that.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
55. Park in front of a fire hydrant, you takes your chances.
Fri Apr 11, 2014, 09:13 AM
Apr 2014

I have no sympathy for someone that puts others lives at risk by being an asshole...why didn't the person show up and move their fucking car?

pipi_k

(21,020 posts)
59. I'm looking at that and thinking...
Fri Apr 11, 2014, 09:57 AM
Apr 2014

if they moved it away from the curb, they probably could have moved it a little more, or turned it around a bit and run the hose as usual, underneath the car.

That doesn't mean, however, that I'm sorry about what happened to the car.

I think they made a statement...and quite well, too.





Warpy

(111,267 posts)
78. This was an 8 alarm fire in an area of wooden structures jammed together
Sat Apr 12, 2014, 12:19 AM
Apr 2014

They did what was fastest, smashed the windows.

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