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Australian experts in evidence-based medicine were asked by the NHMRC to review published systematic reviews of homeopathy and government reports on homeopathy which covered more than 60 conditions including asthma, eczema, lower back pain, nausea, depression, malaria and HIV.
While homeopaths claim they can treat all conditions in people by supporting their wellbeing, the NHMRC Draft Information Paper on the Evidence on Homeopathy released on Wednesday said ''there is no reliable evidence that homeopathy is effective for treating health conditions''. It also said: ''People who choose homeopathy instead of proven conventional treatment may put their health at risk if safe and evidence-based treatments are rejected or delayed in favour of homeopathic treatment.'' The draft is now open for public consultation until May 26.
Ian Musgrave, a senior lecturer in the school of medicine sciences at the University of Adelaide, said homeopathy was based on two fundamental premises, ''like-treats-like'', such as using a substance that causes fever to treat fever, and that substances become more potent the more they were diluted (!!!!!).
http://www.smh.com.au/national/homeopathy-dismissed-by-national-health-and-medical-research-council-review-20140408-36b9u.html#ixzz2yaXHRQVV
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)longship
(40,416 posts)That is an absolute shame.
So much ignorance.
darkangel218
(13,985 posts)It's about money.
Think about how much money they would lose if people ameliorate or even cure their conditions through homeopathy.
Quiet sickening
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)I mean, most people would think claiming conspiracy is a pseudoscience red flag, but obviously...
cpwm17
(3,829 posts)eShirl
(18,493 posts)darkangel218
(13,985 posts)eShirl
(18,493 posts)do they have to pay live people tapping the jars of water to transmit the vibrations to the water molecules, or is that all done by machine now?
darkangel218
(13,985 posts)I know a lot of people who have bennefited from homeopathy when nothing else worked.
Think whatever you want of it, I don't care.
eShirl
(18,493 posts)Interestingly, they are often effective even if the person taking them is aware they are placebos. As long as people buying homeopathic remedies are aware of what it is they're buying, great.
snooper2
(30,151 posts)darkangel218
(13,985 posts)Wtf are you talking about??? Back up your post or apologize!! When did I ever said I have ever in my life was either??? I've done psychic readings for free to friends, ans nothing more! So you better back up your accusations with facts or fucking apologize!!!
snooper2
(30,151 posts)During the Margret Thatcher dead in the ground threads
I thought you were doing something with the Spirit World for a living. Sorry my bad-
what do you do for a living?
darkangel218
(13,985 posts)You're ignored. Go make up lies and accusations about someone else.
snooper2
(30,151 posts)you can't ignore me! I am unignorable! (Screw you spell checker that is a word!)
darkangel218
(13,985 posts)I won't miss your non sense posts.
snooper2
(30,151 posts)For example, who else would bring you greatness like-
This! Just released yesterday!
Penis, Meet Knife
darkangel218
(13,985 posts)Get help.
snooper2
(30,151 posts)I really don't understand why you are so angry, I'm not harrassing you. Just asked a simple question now we got a massive sub-thread going. Well, not really massive yet, but it could be!
I think we need some music, music always good-
Lindsey Stirling with Pentatonix is Greatness!
darkangel218
(13,985 posts)Anyone who charges money for psychic readings is nothing more than a sham. And you insinuated I did that.
Posts all the videos in the world you want, I see now clearly who and what you are
Screw this, you're blocked.
OilemFirchen
(7,143 posts)The ignore function must be broken. Thirteen minutes and it still hasn't taken? That's unacceptable!
darkangel218
(13,985 posts)We don't ignore that fast here.
OilemFirchen
(7,143 posts)Ignore announcements are one of my favorite sardonic observations. Not following through is kinda priceless...
darkangel218
(13,985 posts)I didn't recognize your name.
Picking on the timing on others ignores it's pretty sardonic as well.
OilemFirchen
(7,143 posts)It's fairly common.
darkangel218
(13,985 posts)maddezmom
(135,060 posts)Archae
(46,328 posts)"And Jupiter, aligns with Mars..."
darkangel218
(13,985 posts)Archae
(46,328 posts)That homeopathy and "psychic reading" is bullshit.
That's why every time, and I mean *EVERY* time either is tested where the homeopath or "psychic" can't cheat, they fail.
EVERY time.
darkangel218
(13,985 posts)Be proud all you want, I could care less of what you think. I know at least a dozen people who have bennefited from accupuncture when nothing else worked.
And I have not brought up anything psychic in this thread, that was your buddy who did it. Shame on both of you.
jmowreader
(50,557 posts)A lot of diseases get worse the longer you spend drinking water to pretend to cure them. And there's the part about paying these quacks a hundred bucks to be prescribed water.
darkangel218
(13,985 posts)It invilves any non mainstream alternate medicine.
eShirl
(18,493 posts)Humanist_Activist
(7,670 posts)jmowreader
(50,557 posts)Homeopathy is a specific alternative medicine modality. There are others, and some (herbal medicine, massage therapy) work. Others don't, and homeopathy is one of them.
The most popular homeopathic remedy is Oscillococcinum. In the US it's sold to cure flu, but in Europe there's a long list of things it fixes. "Oscillo" is made by procuring pancreases from a slaughterhouse and draining them into a container until they have one litre of fluid. Sucrose (table sugar) is then added to it. It's placed in a sterilized container ready for the next step: A Muscovy duck is killed by beheading and its heart and liver are removed. 35 grams of the liver and 15 grams of the heart are placed in the fluid and left for 40 days, during which the organ meats break down. They then put the contents of the bottle into a 100-litre container, fill it with purified water and shake the shit out of it, a process called "succussion." The succussion imprints the water with the memory of the duck guts. Next, you dump the contents of the container down the drain, refill and reshake...and continue to do that for 200 cycles. Finally, after doing all of this, you put one drop of this magical fluid on a 5mg sugar pill and package it for sale.
The only thing this could possibly cure is that tragic condition where some of their money is still in your bank account.
On edit: They sell $20 million worth of "Oscillo" in the US every year, and at least three times as much in the rest of the world. Preparing all this Oscillo requires one duck.
mainer
(12,022 posts)With a whole muscovy duck involved, I'd think it should at least cure that.
jmowreader
(50,557 posts)Berlum
(7,044 posts)"Smirk." - Aussie docs, Inc.
scheming daemons
(25,487 posts)..
Zorra
(27,670 posts)all my life, and have found them to be effective in most cases when a diagnosis is accurate and the prescribed herb is effective in treating the diagnosed condition.
Scientific Validation of Herbal Medicine
But I've always considered homeopathy to be quack doo-doo and snake oil; most of the serious proponents of homeopathy I've met were either trying to make money from it, and/or were general serious believers in flat earther type deep woo.
For instance, one of my neighbors swears by homeopathy, and puts suspensions and dilutions of silver and other metals into his body on a daily basis. He is chronically unhealthy, his color his pale gray, his hair is greasy and unhealthy looking, and he seems to have serious cognition deficits. This man believes that the Anunnakis (he calls them Ananukis) from deep space have been controlling the world since time immemorial. He told me that he got this information from the History Channel. He seems to believe that everything he sees on TV is true.
However, based on my experience, it appears to me that positive belief in the efficacy of a treatment, even a (benign) placebo, in conjunction with a strong desire to heal, can promote healing, and I firmly believe that a holistic approach to healing is the most effective in all cases.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Woo shouldn't be part of medicine.
And no homeopathy thread is complete without Mitchell and Webb.
Sid
mainer
(12,022 posts)etherealtruth
(22,165 posts)There is nothing more to say about it.