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hack89

(39,171 posts)
Fri Apr 11, 2014, 10:32 AM Apr 2014

Homeopathy dismissed by National Health and Medical Research Council [Australia]

There is no reliable evidence that homeopathy can treat health conditions, a major review of the practice by the National Health and Medical Research Council has concluded.

Australian experts in evidence-based medicine were asked by the NHMRC to review published systematic reviews of homeopathy and government reports on homeopathy which covered more than 60 conditions including asthma, eczema, lower back pain, nausea, depression, malaria and HIV.

While homeopaths claim they can treat all conditions in people by supporting their wellbeing, the NHMRC Draft Information Paper on the Evidence on Homeopathy released on Wednesday said ''there is no reliable evidence that homeopathy is effective for treating health conditions''. It also said: ''People who choose homeopathy instead of proven conventional treatment may put their health at risk if safe and evidence-based treatments are rejected or delayed in favour of homeopathic treatment.'' The draft is now open for public consultation until May 26.

Ian Musgrave, a senior lecturer in the school of medicine sciences at the University of Adelaide, said homeopathy was based on two fundamental premises, ''like-treats-like'', such as using a substance that causes fever to treat fever, and that substances become more potent the more they were diluted (!!!!!).


http://www.smh.com.au/national/homeopathy-dismissed-by-national-health-and-medical-research-council-review-20140408-36b9u.html#ixzz2yaXHRQVV
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Homeopathy dismissed by National Health and Medical Research Council [Australia] (Original Post) hack89 Apr 2014 OP
"My anecdotes refute your study!!!" in 3...2...1... NuclearDem Apr 2014 #1
The Homeopathic pharmacopeia is grandfathered in within the USA. longship Apr 2014 #2
Its not about ignorance. darkangel218 Apr 2014 #3
Yes, homeopathy being bunk is a Big Pharma conspiracy. NuclearDem Apr 2014 #4
There's no chance that magic water could ever cure anything n/t cpwm17 Apr 2014 #5
It's about the money being bilked out of innocent but gullible people buying inert "treatments." eShirl Apr 2014 #6
Yah, whatever lol. darkangel218 Apr 2014 #7
"lol" whatever, tell me it isn't a profitable business for the "remedy" peddlars eShirl Apr 2014 #8
To each their own. darkangel218 Apr 2014 #10
Placebos are often effective. eShirl Apr 2014 #11
aren't you are a mystic or psychic for a living as well? snooper2 Apr 2014 #12
For a living???? darkangel218 Apr 2014 #13
didn't mean to offend jesus p homer LOL, I thought I read that from you in the past snooper2 Apr 2014 #14
Lay off me and my private life. darkangel218 Apr 2014 #15
I'm in telecom FYI! snooper2 Apr 2014 #19
Good riddance. darkangel218 Apr 2014 #20
Now, I take real offense to that, my posts KICK ASS! snooper2 Apr 2014 #22
So you harras and bring false accusations just for fun?? darkangel218 Apr 2014 #24
I tried to get help and they told me I'm just screwed, beyond any assistance snooper2 Apr 2014 #25
Because I have never said i do or i have ever done such thing for a living !! darkangel218 Apr 2014 #27
You should post something on ATA. OilemFirchen Apr 2014 #26
Welcome to DU. darkangel218 Apr 2014 #28
Been here for a dozen years. OilemFirchen Apr 2014 #30
Oh yah? darkangel218 Apr 2014 #31
Really? OilemFirchen Apr 2014 #32
Is that right... darkangel218 Apr 2014 #33
I believe she has stated she is studying or graduated from a RN program maddezmom Apr 2014 #17
"I've done psychic readings..." Archae Apr 2014 #16
And you align with snooper in the same orbit. Be proud. darkangel218 Apr 2014 #18
I'm proud of the fact... Archae Apr 2014 #21
Psychic "readings" are just fun. Homeopathy on the other hand is real. darkangel218 Apr 2014 #23
Since homeopathy does not work, that's not it jmowreader Apr 2014 #34
Homeopathy is not about water. darkangel218 Apr 2014 #35
That's actually a very common misperception. eShirl Apr 2014 #36
No it doesn't. Where did you get that idea? n/t Humanist_Activist Apr 2014 #37
No, you're totally wrong jmowreader Apr 2014 #40
You mean it doesn't cure your case of quack? mainer Apr 2014 #42
Only mild cases jmowreader Apr 2014 #43
"we don't want no stinking competition." - Aussie docs Berlum Apr 2014 #9
Good to see that woo is being put in its proper place somewhere... even if it is only Australia scheming daemons Apr 2014 #29
I've used specific medicinal herbs, including cannabis, for treating some conditions Zorra Apr 2014 #38
Good... SidDithers Apr 2014 #39
Thanks! That's hilarious. mainer Apr 2014 #44
Homeopathy = Idiocy etherealtruth Apr 2014 #41
YAY!!! Iggo Apr 2014 #45

longship

(40,416 posts)
2. The Homeopathic pharmacopeia is grandfathered in within the USA.
Fri Apr 11, 2014, 11:06 AM
Apr 2014

That is an absolute shame.

So much ignorance.

 

darkangel218

(13,985 posts)
3. Its not about ignorance.
Fri Apr 11, 2014, 11:14 AM
Apr 2014

It's about money.

Think about how much money they would lose if people ameliorate or even cure their conditions through homeopathy.

Quiet sickening

 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
4. Yes, homeopathy being bunk is a Big Pharma conspiracy.
Fri Apr 11, 2014, 11:16 AM
Apr 2014

I mean, most people would think claiming conspiracy is a pseudoscience red flag, but obviously...

eShirl

(18,493 posts)
8. "lol" whatever, tell me it isn't a profitable business for the "remedy" peddlars
Fri Apr 11, 2014, 11:26 AM
Apr 2014

do they have to pay live people tapping the jars of water to transmit the vibrations to the water molecules, or is that all done by machine now?

 

darkangel218

(13,985 posts)
10. To each their own.
Fri Apr 11, 2014, 11:32 AM
Apr 2014

I know a lot of people who have bennefited from homeopathy when nothing else worked.

Think whatever you want of it, I don't care.

eShirl

(18,493 posts)
11. Placebos are often effective.
Fri Apr 11, 2014, 11:37 AM
Apr 2014

Interestingly, they are often effective even if the person taking them is aware they are placebos. As long as people buying homeopathic remedies are aware of what it is they're buying, great.

 

darkangel218

(13,985 posts)
13. For a living????
Fri Apr 11, 2014, 11:58 AM
Apr 2014

Wtf are you talking about??? Back up your post or apologize!! When did I ever said I have ever in my life was either??? I've done psychic readings for free to friends, ans nothing more! So you better back up your accusations with facts or fucking apologize!!!

 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
14. didn't mean to offend jesus p homer LOL, I thought I read that from you in the past
Fri Apr 11, 2014, 12:07 PM
Apr 2014

During the Margret Thatcher dead in the ground threads

I thought you were doing something with the Spirit World for a living. Sorry my bad-

what do you do for a living?

 

darkangel218

(13,985 posts)
15. Lay off me and my private life.
Fri Apr 11, 2014, 12:09 PM
Apr 2014

You're ignored. Go make up lies and accusations about someone else.

 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
19. I'm in telecom FYI!
Fri Apr 11, 2014, 12:12 PM
Apr 2014


you can't ignore me! I am unignorable! (Screw you spell checker that is a word!)
 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
22. Now, I take real offense to that, my posts KICK ASS!
Fri Apr 11, 2014, 12:17 PM
Apr 2014

For example, who else would bring you greatness like-

This! Just released yesterday!



Penis, Meet Knife



 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
25. I tried to get help and they told me I'm just screwed, beyond any assistance
Fri Apr 11, 2014, 12:28 PM
Apr 2014

I really don't understand why you are so angry, I'm not harrassing you. Just asked a simple question now we got a massive sub-thread going. Well, not really massive yet, but it could be!

I think we need some music, music always good-

Lindsey Stirling with Pentatonix is Greatness!




 

darkangel218

(13,985 posts)
27. Because I have never said i do or i have ever done such thing for a living !!
Fri Apr 11, 2014, 12:35 PM
Apr 2014

Anyone who charges money for psychic readings is nothing more than a sham. And you insinuated I did that.

Posts all the videos in the world you want, I see now clearly who and what you are

Screw this, you're blocked.

OilemFirchen

(7,143 posts)
26. You should post something on ATA.
Fri Apr 11, 2014, 12:34 PM
Apr 2014

The ignore function must be broken. Thirteen minutes and it still hasn't taken? That's unacceptable!

OilemFirchen

(7,143 posts)
30. Been here for a dozen years.
Fri Apr 11, 2014, 12:48 PM
Apr 2014

Ignore announcements are one of my favorite sardonic observations. Not following through is kinda priceless...

 

darkangel218

(13,985 posts)
31. Oh yah?
Fri Apr 11, 2014, 12:49 PM
Apr 2014

I didn't recognize your name.



Picking on the timing on others ignores it's pretty sardonic as well.


Archae

(46,328 posts)
21. I'm proud of the fact...
Fri Apr 11, 2014, 12:16 PM
Apr 2014

That homeopathy and "psychic reading" is bullshit.

That's why every time, and I mean *EVERY* time either is tested where the homeopath or "psychic" can't cheat, they fail.
EVERY time.

 

darkangel218

(13,985 posts)
23. Psychic "readings" are just fun. Homeopathy on the other hand is real.
Fri Apr 11, 2014, 12:20 PM
Apr 2014

Be proud all you want, I could care less of what you think. I know at least a dozen people who have bennefited from accupuncture when nothing else worked.
And I have not brought up anything psychic in this thread, that was your buddy who did it. Shame on both of you.

jmowreader

(50,557 posts)
34. Since homeopathy does not work, that's not it
Fri Apr 11, 2014, 01:03 PM
Apr 2014

A lot of diseases get worse the longer you spend drinking water to pretend to cure them. And there's the part about paying these quacks a hundred bucks to be prescribed water.

jmowreader

(50,557 posts)
40. No, you're totally wrong
Fri Apr 11, 2014, 02:24 PM
Apr 2014

Homeopathy is a specific alternative medicine modality. There are others, and some (herbal medicine, massage therapy) work. Others don't, and homeopathy is one of them.

The most popular homeopathic remedy is Oscillococcinum. In the US it's sold to cure flu, but in Europe there's a long list of things it fixes. "Oscillo" is made by procuring pancreases from a slaughterhouse and draining them into a container until they have one litre of fluid. Sucrose (table sugar) is then added to it. It's placed in a sterilized container ready for the next step: A Muscovy duck is killed by beheading and its heart and liver are removed. 35 grams of the liver and 15 grams of the heart are placed in the fluid and left for 40 days, during which the organ meats break down. They then put the contents of the bottle into a 100-litre container, fill it with purified water and shake the shit out of it, a process called "succussion." The succussion imprints the water with the memory of the duck guts. Next, you dump the contents of the container down the drain, refill and reshake...and continue to do that for 200 cycles. Finally, after doing all of this, you put one drop of this magical fluid on a 5mg sugar pill and package it for sale.

The only thing this could possibly cure is that tragic condition where some of their money is still in your bank account.

On edit: They sell $20 million worth of "Oscillo" in the US every year, and at least three times as much in the rest of the world. Preparing all this Oscillo requires one duck.

mainer

(12,022 posts)
42. You mean it doesn't cure your case of quack?
Fri Apr 11, 2014, 02:57 PM
Apr 2014

With a whole muscovy duck involved, I'd think it should at least cure that.

Zorra

(27,670 posts)
38. I've used specific medicinal herbs, including cannabis, for treating some conditions
Fri Apr 11, 2014, 01:36 PM
Apr 2014

all my life, and have found them to be effective in most cases when a diagnosis is accurate and the prescribed herb is effective in treating the diagnosed condition.

Scientific Validation of Herbal Medicine

But I've always considered homeopathy to be quack doo-doo and snake oil; most of the serious proponents of homeopathy I've met were either trying to make money from it, and/or were general serious believers in flat earther type deep woo.

For instance, one of my neighbors swears by homeopathy, and puts suspensions and dilutions of silver and other metals into his body on a daily basis. He is chronically unhealthy, his color his pale gray, his hair is greasy and unhealthy looking, and he seems to have serious cognition deficits. This man believes that the Anunnakis (he calls them Ananukis) from deep space have been controlling the world since time immemorial. He told me that he got this information from the History Channel. He seems to believe that everything he sees on TV is true.

However, based on my experience, it appears to me that positive belief in the efficacy of a treatment, even a (benign) placebo, in conjunction with a strong desire to heal, can promote healing, and I firmly believe that a holistic approach to healing is the most effective in all cases.

SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
39. Good...
Fri Apr 11, 2014, 01:36 PM
Apr 2014

Woo shouldn't be part of medicine.

And no homeopathy thread is complete without Mitchell and Webb.



Sid
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