Couldn't you find a source that isn't tainted by Glenn Beck's miasmic aura?

Isn't it enough of a trial for me that My Favorite Wingnut keeps sending me links to Beck's sewer without having to get them on DU too?

Posting links to trash like Beck's site is simply lame.

Right up a Beckerhead's alley.

I didn't know The Blaze was a Beck site.

Comeuppance, it's cathartic.

I suggest you find a different source.

I would hope he would fight back. Bullies only learn when their asses are kicked.

In any case, did you notice this story, for whatever reason, was attached to a right wing site, The Blaze?..They

had ads for Prison Planet and WND on it and, last but not least, a report/video of a supposed "conspiracy" that will

kill 28 million Americans...I only watched until they said that "even liberals will be surprised".

a demented older girl who was easily twice my size.

The girl was sick to do what she did. And there was no way for me to physically retaliate. I was simply overpowered and out muscled.

Hmm. Funny. I have not thought about that incident for years.

especially if you consider all the sexual harrassement.

In 8th Grade Catholic School, I had boys calling me names and heckling me unmercifully. Every time the nun would

turn her back, this particular prick would turn around (I was in the back of the room, he in the front) and call me ugly names.

Finally, I had "had" it...I picked up my books, strode to the front of the class where he was sitting, and beat him over the

head with my books...The nun, never having seen or heard him harass me, turned around and saw me utilizing my books

on his head and started yelling at ME...That is, until I told her what he was calling me -- At that point, Sister said

"I'm going to get him good and proper". This little old nun took him out into the hallway and I saw her shaking him,

hard, his lapels in her hands. That's all I saw. He didn't bother me after that.

Even though she was socking him all in the head.

Obvious reaction to a Glen Beck site...

Quite obvious.

Good job on the boy for finally fighting back. Sadly the rest of the students did nothing to help the boy, shame what society has turned in to.

the sight of a white person finally fighting back against his black oppressor must be encouraging for Beck's followers.

I'm sure it feeds their misogynist side as well as their racist side.

Gotta wonder where the bus driver was in all this.

You can hear her in the background saying she is not allowed to touch the students.

she would have been within her rights to respond.

It was her job to take control of the situation and confront the bully. She wasn't even close enough to be seen in the video. She should have been right there in the bully's face.

http://www.campussafetymagazine.com/article/dvd-teaches-bullying-response-techniques/School_Bus_Safety

Bully Free Systems has an eight-step response system for bullying: SCAT CASA, which stands for the following steps:

S — Stop and take control C — Confront the bully or bullies A — Apply emotional support for the victim T — Teachable moment for bystanders C — Consequences applied A — Area supervised S — Safety (protection) plan for victim A — Approved paperwork completed and parents contacted, if necessary

without knowing what happened immediately prior to the filming, we have no grounds for labeling the girl a "Bully." Was the girl the aggressor? ... Certainly. Was she beating the boy? ... Yep, absolutely!

But my experience has it that something preceded the first blow, and we have no idea what it was, nor who delivered it.

to stop the bus and take control of the situation. It appears that she stopped the bus. But she needed to do more than just call 911. She needed to be there.

What if the boy had seriously injured the girl? This whole thing went way too far without any apparent -- and continuing -- intervention by the only adult in the bus.

the bus-driver should have stepped in. I was merely responding to everyone's rush to label the girl the "bully" and the boy, the poor, defenseless heroic figure.

my, clearly, unpopular call to reserve judgment as to who was right and wrong in this situation.

It amazes me that "Liberals/Progressive" will leap to conclusions, knowing that they have incomplete information ... and refuse to even acknowledge that context, i.e., the missing information, might prove their premature judgment incorrect ... but argue on they will.

There is no incomplete information that could justify this. The kid is cowering and defending himself, he is no threat, one punch from her in retaliation I could maybe see, but this is an escalating situation where she gets more and more violent. And once the white kid responds, all he does is take away her ability to hurt him, he does not punch or kick her, even though she was doing that to him. We aren't jumping to conclusions, you are defending the indefensible. It really is that simple, but you refuse to believe the obvious for some odd reason.

ordering her to stop.

And if she's not brave enough to do that someone else should have the job.

And doing so, again generally, means their job.

And they can and should confront the bully and take control.



http://www.campussafetymagazine.com/article/dvd-teaches-bullying-response-techniques/School_Bus_Safety

Bully Free Systems has an eight-step response system for bullying: SCAT CASA, which stands for the following steps:

S — Stop and take control C — Confront the bully or bullies A — Apply emotional support for the victim T — Teachable moment for bystanders C — Consequences applied A — Area supervised S — Safety (protection) plan for victim A — Approved paperwork completed and parents contacted, if necessary

Maybe that policy should be reviewed because bullying on the bus is a huge issue that's been going on since I rode the bus starting in elementary school

to do her job of confronting the bully. No law requires that bus driver to sit in her seat while all this is going on.

I rode the bus to and from school and was bullied in elementary school and that's basically all the bus drivers did sat in their seats and called the bus security people or cops if it got bad enough.

attempt to intervene in that situation should lose her job. She should have been right there with the kids, ordering them to stop. And she should have intervened as soon as she stopped the bus, and gotten her face in that girl's face.

A mistake in that headlock could have killed the girl. Both children -- and that's what they are -- are very lucky.

But like I said I was physically bullied in in elementary I got hit by multiple kids and was even pushed off the bus at my stop and was being beaten and the bus driver kept going. Most bus drivers are apathetic they know if they intervene their jobs will be on the line so they just don't care

I'm sorry this happened to you. I know that busses can be miserable places for kids. I was also teased, but mostly with words.

The thing about this situation, though, is that it went on for so long and got so serious. It wasn't like a kid slapping another kid -- which is bad, but the bus driver might not even notice. Here, the bus was stopped, and the driver just stayed wherever she was. She didn't intervene in a fight that lasted for several minutes.

If you sliced someone with a razor blade you deserved to be suspended. I don't know what the other kid did, but he could have deserved suspension, too.

He didn't get suspended too. But by the time high school rolled around he was in juvenile so I guess it evened itself out

Maybe she'll think twice next time.

just maybe, it was the girl that was defending herself? We don't know.

then there is of her being the bully.

Her brother is doing nothing while she is punching the white kid. Any brother would be right there in the other kids face if his sister was attacked first. Yet, the second the white kid starts fighting back, the brother of the girl gets all up in the situation. Why would he be doing nothing if his sister was initially attacked. In fact, in the video you can hear a voice very similar to the brother laughing as his sister is punching the white kid. Can't be certain it is him, but sure sounds like him.

From this video you would be hard pressed to say the girl was the victim, but keep at it, maybe a few will believe you.

with the filming ... We have no idea what occurred prior to what is on the film.

Very comfortable in my analysis and please don't throw race baiting at me. I know what my eyes see versus what you are trying to spin.

what occurred immediately prior to what you know what your eyes showed you? Can you admit what your eyes showed you is incomplete? Can you consider that the incomplete information, i.e., what happened prior to what your eyes saw, could place what you saw in a different context, and lead you to a different conclusion?

And How am I race-baiting when I merely copied what you wrote and responded using the same identifiers? ... Notice the only racial reference I made was quoting you?

warning, not accusing you of doing it.

You seem hell bent on defending the indefensible, I have no idea why. I know what I have seen and until new information is presented there is only one logical conclusion. She is a bully. If new information is presented, I will happily change my position. In the absence of new information, there is only one logical reason. It really is that simple friend.

I have video. Until such time as some other kid steps forward and says something else happened or more video surfaces showing something else happened, you have no proof. I have a whole video of proof. Wow, you really cannot accept the reality of this. How bizarre.

Why can't you see the error of YOUR 'logic' and presumptions? So long as you continue leaping to conclusions - which do appear based on racial bias - you're contributing to the problems of society, not helping remedy them.

the first charge of racism for not seeing something that isn't there. I knew someone at some point would use the modified Godwin's law against me.

I don't care what you think, until you have EVIDENCE to the contrary I am right. So take you BS somewhere else please.

THAT'S like a bully squawling, "Mommy/Daddy! She hit me back!"

I'll point out flaws in your biased attempt at logic anytime, anywhere I damned well please, thank you! If you want to try to cancel my DU ticket, you have plenty of mods to run to and whine for sympathy.

you want.

one with less than 700 notches on his/her belt.

First insinuating I am racist or prejudiced, then saying my low post count makes me somehow lesser. Please keep it up, you are educating your fellow DUers. I am definitely enjoying the show.

But YOU can bully-post again if you think speaking last will impress someone - anyone? Me, I've got better things to do. So long - wish I could say it's been nice knowing you.

Because their eyes offend you by seeing what's on a video? You're running around this thread talking about "conclusion jumping" when you and one other poster are the only ones doing that--about the situation AND the motives of other posters. The rest of us are watching what happened, while you defend wild speculation.

You seem to have no idea how even the least skilled attorney straight out of law school could blow your faulty reasoning out of the water in court. I never said any of the kids were innocent or guilty - simply that it's all too easy to record a mere portion of an incident and make it appear what it might not be. Sorry that concept eludes you and your companions.

Perhaps an actual discussion could be had if you weren't so busy insulting people. You did imply the other poster was basing their interpretation on racism versus what it actually is: seeing something fairly obvious. No one has provided even a shred of evidence, or even a compelling interpretation that would explain the video in a different light, that what is seen is not an accurate portrayal of what happened.

Taking a position different from yours does not put me way over the top. It puts me way different from your opinion. Pardon me while I cry.

Or any attack/crime video. You can justify almost any attack video there is by saying "we don't know what happened to cause this."

but in justifications, timelines matter.

Basing judgment while ignoring timelines is making a judgment on incomplete information, making the conclusion subject to error.

ridiculous game, why don't we blame the bus driver, or global warming, or a lack of vaccines. They are all as likely as your hypothetical. On the other hand we have video evidence that the girl was dishing out violence to the white kid. The white kid did nothing until he was kicked in the head. At that point all he did was stop the girl from hitting him anymore. Then when the threat was over, he asked her if she was ok. And during the whole thing, the punk ass brother does nothing until his sister is being stopped from hitting anymore and he tries to punch the other kid as well. You can "what if" this forever, but my eyes and most people's eyes see what happened and it has nothing to do with race, it has to do with video evidence that can be extrapolated from. But keep at it.

And you have never in your life made a judgment based on the information at hand, only to find that having other information would have led you to a different judgment?

but without information to lead me to a different outcome, I stand by my original position. There is NO evidence that the boy was the aggressor. Give me evidence of such and I will happily change my position. In the absence of such evidence I only have the facts from the video and they are pretty easy to analyze and draw a conclusion. You want to what if this situation based on NOTHING, you have no contradictory evidence and YET you still want to tell us we might be wrong. Don't ever take that crap into a court room. Give me something, ANYTHING that is evidence I could be mistaken on what I am seeing and I will gladly change my mind. Until then, I have no doubts whatsoever in what I saw.

I agree that something he did might have instigated this fight -- we don't know -- but I don't see this video as her "defending herself."

Even if something happened before the video, the threat was over. What she was doing went far beyond self defense.

I walk up and spit in your face ... threat's over ... no problem.

that occurred here? Christ on a Cracker, you just can't get it, can you? There is no evidence anything happened other than the girl being a bully. PRESENT ANYTHING to contradict this claim and I and nearly everyone else would change our minds. That is how persuasion works, you present evidence that supports your assertion. I have video tape that shows me a black girl was bullying a white boy for no reason. Give me evidence that what I am seeing is something else entirely.

of the white kid getting pummeled for no reason.

Unless you have more evidence that something else happened?

aggression from the girl towards the boy. In the absence of contradictory information I win. Unless you are going to claim that a lack of evidence trumps actual video? I am enjoying this, please keep going.

all the while clinging to an incomplete record of what happened as if it were the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.

Please, do consider changing your username - I see little evidence of pure analysis in your writing.

I am not demanding anything. I am saying that in the absence of evidence speculation is incorrect. I have video proof, I have all I need, my analysis is sound.

You seem to be the one trying to do anything to disprove what our eyes are showing us, and then alluding that anyone who doesn't agree with you a potentially being racist or prejudiced. Interesting tactic for a "liberal"...........The problem is I don't give two shits what you think, I am not prejudiced, I know I am not, and I won't be bullied by someone like you. Ironic that in a thread about bullying you chose to bully someone with a differing viewpoint b alluding to potential racial prejudice. You must be so proud of yourself.

though. Hate to break it to you, but there's no gentle way to let you know. But for a person so concerned with propriety, you sure sling a wild sledgehammer.

And no, the last word doesn't necessarily win. I only have limited time to waste on certain people.

But if you acted like this kid and cowered in fear, I would assume you had learned a lesson. You can defend yourself, but once you are clearly in control of the situation it is time to walk away.

That is not what kids do.

And what if the video of your reaction is shot before you decide I learned my lesson?

This girl needs to be taught that this is not OK. Yeah, kids do stupid things, but they should learn from those mistakes.

I am of the belief that self-defense should extend only to the point of removing/resolving a/the threat; but then again, I'm a 50+ year old, martial arts trained and not too little of a man.

But to my point, can we agree, a snapshot of one wailing on another does not make one a "Bully" and the other the innocent victim?

It looks like bullying to me. I can respect your opinion though.

all we can do is express ourselves and hope that others will pause to consider.

Hope you have a good weekend.

You know, the one where it's OK in Florida to execute a black kid for bearing Skittles, but not OK for a black woman to put a warning shot into a garage rood.

If you're going beat on somebody who's saying that to you, then you better have a real good reason. And given that this girl's brother didn't try and jump in UNTIL the boy started fighting back, I'm prepared to say that no such reason was given here. The girl was not in any danger, she was not under attack, SHE WAS THE AGGRESSOR.

And you say you're martial arts trained? Really? I myself have studied both martial arts and boxing, and one of the first things I was taught was to never go around using my skills on anybody EXCEPT IN SELF DEFENSE or in the ring. We even had classes on how to manage threats and respond with the APPROPRIATE level of force required. It's highly illegal for a trained fighter to just go around assaulting people. Martial artists can get in a lot of trouble if they go around doing stuff like that. Any self-respecting dojo will teach you to use whatever force is necessary to subdue a THREAT, and ONLY the required amount of force. Beating on a fat kid pleading to go home really doesn't qualify. Did you notice that the kid even asked the bullying bitch if she was okay after he choked her out? Yet in spite of this you persist in this fantasy that he somehow might have deserved what was being done to him.


You yourself have stated that you can see many scenarios that would cause you to lay "a beatdown" on somebody even if they begged you to stop. Let me just tell you right now, if I was a martial arts instructor and you were my student, I would kick you out of my school, and so would every sensei or coach that I've ever had. No self-respecting teacher wants to go around creating bullies and thugs.

These kids don't realize that who they get older, they will be able to seriously hurt someone in a fistfight. I was amazed the first time I saw two adults fight. I was used to seeing schoolyard fights where people got a few bruises and hurt pride. As a young adult in the military, I saw guys get seriously hurt by a few well placed punches. Hitting someone repeatedly in the head is extremely dangerous and unacceptable.

Instead of using that submission hold, he could have started punching in return...and that kid looked pretty strong. People underestimate overweight folks like that kid all the time. That body type is often associated with considerable physical strength.

"When is it OK for a boy to fight back?"

Some are even blaming the President Obama for this incident.

When I saw it was a black on white crime I knew the comments would be racialized instead of bully versus victim.
I'm sure this will be a lead story tonight on Fox. Considering it came from the blaze of course it will be racialized to the tenth degree.

Glenn Beck doesn't need our money.

is a complete lack of context. We see the girl beating on the boy, and label her a/the "bully." But, of course, we have absolutely no idea what happened immediately, or even a month, before the beating.

Okay ... let me be more clear as to what I am thinking ...

In true "blaze" fashion, we are shown the "big, bad, Black bully-girl beating on the poor, defenseless (if not, tolerate), pitiful white boy, and are to label her a/the "bully."

I am also noticing a lot of Black aggressor/white victim posts on DU. Did I miss the memo?

There is no bully who worries about the well being of their victim. I would bet a good sum that the kid in that video has never been the aggressor in a fight. He has learned to survive by taking a beating and hoping to be left alone in the future. Bullies seek out low hanging fruit like him. Occasionally they take it too far and get their worthless ass kicked by the low hanging fruit. ..but the bully usually leaves the person alone after that. ..

the girl was defending herself from/standing up to something that occurred prior to the camera's rolling?

There was no defense in what she was doing.

Wow.

My choice is to believe my own eyes, or some abstact theory that has no basis in the reality we are presented from the video. I choose my own two eyes.

your eyes only saw what was on the film? Can you acknowledge that SOMETHING happened immediately before the film started rolling. Can you acknowledge that that unknown something makes what you have seen incomplete and lacking in context?

because I nor you have any evidence of that. Present me some evidence and I will gladly reconsider. Until such time I am going with what REALITY is showing us. The REAL WORLD where we can see what is happening, not an imaginary world you are spinning out of gossamer and nothingness. REALITY shows us that the girl is the aggressor and once he is kicked in the head the white kid stops the aggression, he does not punch or kick the girl, he takes away her ability to attack. Then when she has stopped he asks her if she is ok, something the girl never did while she is punching the kid in the head and kicking him. But hey you keep spinning.....

What I saw was a boy repeatedly telling this girl to stop hitting him, and she wouldn't do it. Whatever happened before that is no excuse for this girl's behavior unless YOU can prove that he somehow assaulted her.

Sorry to break it to you, but black people are just as capable of being bullying assholes just as much as white people are. It's a human trait that has nothing to do with skin pigmentation.

Sorry to break it to you ... the race of the actors has nothing to do with my position. I just am unwilling to cast judgment based on what everyone must agree is incomplete information. Why are you making this a racial issue?

This is ridiculous ... everyone acknowledges that they only know what the film showed but are quick to judge this girl a bully ... but people are unwilling to acknowledge that the poor, poor, boy victim just might have done something to deserve a beat down.

I know there are plenty of things someone could do to me that would cause me to strike back at them ... even when/if they cry stop. And I suspect that everyone posting here has a laundry list of things that would set them off, likewise.

Do I have proof he did? No. Do you have proof he didn't ... also, no.

"a beatdown" on somebody to the point where I would keep doing so even if they begged me to stop:

1). They just did great physical harm to somebody I loved. And I mean, GREAT physical harm.

2). My life is somehow in danger and the only way to save myself is to put this person out of commission so they can no longer hurt me.

That's it. If you ever lay "a beatdown" on somebody for anything other than something like these, then you are way out of line.

And what I actually said was race had nothing to do with this. You seem to want to try and make excuses for the girl in the video and given your DU name, yes, it does seem like you might be taking her side in spite of any evidence to the contrary because of the color of her skin.

you are taking the color thing too personally. There was no defense in what she was doing none. the kid was sitting there taking her beating that isn't defense.

If the colors were reversed I doubt you would try to make such an absurd claim.

what was the kid doing immediately before the film captured him sitting there taking her beating.

we can speculate from now until the end of time, but without EVIDENCE, all we have is what we have seen. If new EVIDENCE is presented, I bet most of us would reconsider. But in the absence of EVIDENCE I and most people are going to go with what we see. That's how REALITY works, without EVIDENCE we cannot know that something other than what we have seen has occurred. See how easy this is?

I doubt the kid was doing anything other than being fat and white. But even if he had said done something there was no excuse for her continued beating on him.

If he insulted her or something I can excuse a slap or a kick but she wasn't satisfied with that and continued until he stopped her. Her brother seemed pretty willing to jump in when the kid started to defend himself so I find your scenario highly doubtful.

it does matter.

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