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Bucky

(54,013 posts)
Fri Apr 11, 2014, 06:21 PM Apr 2014

Online debate help: Do unions have the right to give their funds to political candidates?

I thought this was illegal. An idiot (whose party affiliation you'd never guess ) just said that unions are free to give their money to candidates. I thought that was illegal.

Help sought before I descend into slaying this jackanapes.

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Online debate help: Do unions have the right to give their funds to political candidates? (Original Post) Bucky Apr 2014 OP
Why shouldn't unions be free to donate? Savannahmann Apr 2014 #1
Thank, but I'm looking for facts, not opinions. Bucky Apr 2014 #2
dues vs contributions Triloon Apr 2014 #4
Thank you. alp227 Apr 2014 #6
mandatory unions dues cannot go to politial donations Niceguy1 Apr 2014 #7
yes. Triloon Apr 2014 #8
No it is not a lie. former9thward Apr 2014 #13
but i thought union dues and "voluntary contributions" were separate. nt alp227 Apr 2014 #14
They are but ... former9thward Apr 2014 #16
Thank you. That's what I thought. It's just a Facebook argument Bucky Apr 2014 #9
The problem is that think tanks like National Right to Work, Union Free America, alp227 Apr 2014 #11
Then you should have looked at the link. Savannahmann Apr 2014 #10
Unions and corporations are prohibited from directly contributing to federal candidates. former9thward Apr 2014 #12
This message was self-deleted by its author Capt. Obvious Apr 2014 #3
Union PACs are voluntary. JaneyVee Apr 2014 #5
Unions do what members tell them to. idendoit Apr 2014 #15
 

Savannahmann

(3,891 posts)
1. Why shouldn't unions be free to donate?
Fri Apr 11, 2014, 06:28 PM
Apr 2014
http://www.opensecrets.org/overview/topcontribs.php?Bkdn=Source&Cycle=2014

Unions represent the workers, the people. They are free to donate as much as anyone else. The right to donate doesn't just reside with the Koch Brothers you know.

Bucky

(54,013 posts)
2. Thank, but I'm looking for facts, not opinions.
Fri Apr 11, 2014, 06:31 PM
Apr 2014

Do you know if unions can donate unlimited funds directly to candidates like private citizens now can?

Triloon

(506 posts)
4. dues vs contributions
Fri Apr 11, 2014, 06:44 PM
Apr 2014

Unions may not use funds from membership dues towards political campaigns, that is illegal under federal law. But Unions may collect voluntary contributions from the membership separately from dues to support political purposes. Anti-Union types make no distinction between these two activities, dues collection and pac contribution collection, but the distinction is very real and no one contributes political money against their wishes.

Niceguy1

(2,467 posts)
7. mandatory unions dues cannot go to politial donations
Fri Apr 11, 2014, 06:54 PM
Apr 2014

Which is a good thing...imagine having no choice about your money going to a republican candidate. ...there are more right leaning unions than you think.

former9thward

(32,009 posts)
13. No it is not a lie.
Fri Apr 11, 2014, 08:09 PM
Apr 2014

Unions have PACs funded by voluntary contributions. As do corporations. Citizens United freed unions to do campaigns for a candidate as long as they do not directly coordinate with the candidate. That is why the AFL-CIO filed a brief in support of Citizens United.

former9thward

(32,009 posts)
16. They are but ...
Fri Apr 11, 2014, 11:48 PM
Apr 2014

Union dues are broken down into what part is actually meant for labor relations with the company and everything else. Often unions ask members to sign an agreement to give money to a PAC. Once they have signed it is automatically renewed forever. So it is a little complicated, as is everything, and there are fair arguments supporting either side.

Bucky

(54,013 posts)
9. Thank you. That's what I thought. It's just a Facebook argument
Fri Apr 11, 2014, 07:30 PM
Apr 2014

But I've had a good run of slapping down this wingnut and his monkeyheaded misinformation over the past couple of weeks. A couple of times I've taunted him with comments like "You notice how I keep responding to your sweeping generalizations with specific facts that show you're fully of baloney? Does that ever embarrass you?" Unfortunately that also raises the accuracy bar on what I can say in our arguments, too. So I appreciate you helping me out with the good fight.

alp227

(32,025 posts)
11. The problem is that think tanks like National Right to Work, Union Free America,
Fri Apr 11, 2014, 07:55 PM
Apr 2014

Center for Union Facts, etc. have perpetrated this myth, as a google search of keywords union dues political contributions shows. That's "The University of Google" as Jenny McCarthy puts it, for ya.

This Congressional Research Service study about the topic:

Under union shop agreements, labor unions must establish strict safeguards and procedures for ensuring that non-members’ dues are not used to support certain political and ideological activities that are outside the scope of normal collective bargaining activities. The “union shop” or “agency shop” agreement essentially provides that employees do not have to join the union, but must support the union in order to retain employment by paying dues to defray the costs of collective bargaining, contract administration, and grievance matters.

In a line of decisions, the Supreme Court has addressed this issue and has concluded that compulsory union dues of non-members may not be used for political and ideological activities that are outside the scope of the unions’ collective bargaining and labor-management duties when non-members object to such use.

former9thward

(32,009 posts)
12. Unions and corporations are prohibited from directly contributing to federal candidates.
Fri Apr 11, 2014, 08:06 PM
Apr 2014

That has been the case since 1912. Both may indirectly contribute through PACs.

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