What kids need is love and care and attention.

New Pope, Same Shit.

I can't believe how many on the left bought the new pope's snake oil. No progress as usual in the central church.

A sower of hate and of division.

I wish I could tell you but I lost count.

Yes he may be helping some, but with a message like that, he is hurting more than he is helping. I put the Catholic church right up there with the Zealots of the demise of the LGBT community. And if they continue to try to stomp on our rights they need to have their fucking tax except status taken from them and let them pay their fucking fair share for a change.

Enough said.

Kids need love and compassion.

Love is love.

should be taken away from the remaining parent and handed over to foster care?

Religion, what a scam.

Or try to cover it up up when they do.

I still can't believe people donate to these monsters in pointy hats. They use that money for their lawyers.

Complete with generous tithes.

All that talk of peace, feeding the hungry, commentary against the rich and corporate oligarchy still means he is a devil because he strayed from the conventional thinking of the left.

WHY is it a bad thing to have a feminine and masculine outlook during child development? He sorta says we need to raise our kids to be strong, yet do so with tenderness and compassion. I think eschewing masculine primacy in totality is wrong-headed just as becoming subservient to its thinking is.

So I don't think the Pope is SUCH a bad guy here. My only issue is could a family with two gay guys or two lesbian women, or further a single family household NOT also teach the varying paradigms necessary for child development?

I think instead of blanket accusations about how horrible this Pope is, he has earned some modicum of respect from those of us on the left because of the amazing stances he has taken beforehand? Or is intellectual purity as prevalent on the left as it is the right?

By the way, I think religion is total bullshit so I am far from the pontiff's apologist.

Maybe when it's your rights and your life that you are being told is wrong and immoral, you might have a change of heart. Just saying.

Prior to May 2012 Barack Obama's opinion was "marriage is between a man and a woman, God is in the mix". And Bill Clinton, of course, enthusiastically codified this into law.

I'm not defending the Pope on this issue, as he is wrong. I am pointing out that people can and do evolve on this issue, and I hope that Pope Francis will, just as Barack Obama and Bill Clinton have.

Sheesh. Don't confuse the teo to satify your needs.

What Obama and Clinton demonstrate is that people who formerly disdained such a basic human right were able to evolve on this. And it's usually the case that people who oppose same-sex marriage list the fact that they want children to be brought up in "traditional" families as one of the reasons for their opposition.

Now show me where either one of the people that you mentioned have ever said, That raising a child takes a man and a woman. I'll be waiting.

couple. But I never have.

In most US states there was at least some ability for gay couples to raise children and in many there were full adoption rights for years before MA permitted marriage equality. To name two examples both Minnesota and Vermont permitted such things.

the 2008 election .

Not sure I agree with that.

You might want to llok up the definition of what a human right is. It's not just for a select few, theres your first hint.

Equal rights are human rights. Unless of course you believe some people are superior to others. Yes it's really that simple.

For example I doubt many would agree known child predators have a right to have children. Children are not possessions

I don't agree with the idea you have a right to have them. I have no issue whatsoever with mixed couples adopting children but like any adoptive family I think that requires at least some effort to ensure the safety and well being of the child.

I certainly don't think it's a right.

Equating the two is disgusting and weather you realize it or not, thats just what you did.

Now you need to start looking at the laws of nature and no I will not help you out this time. You clearly have an agenda that disgusting.

Have a nice day.

and pretty much what I expected.

As I sad I have no problem with any couple adopting children be they gay straight or whatever but it certainly is not a basic human right. No matter what mix the couple is the childs welfare is much more important than the couples desire to adopt.

Classic.

I think the childs welfare trumps any right you think you have no matter what the make up of the couple.

I leave you to do all the implying.

"Traditional Couple" So sacred.

So pure that they hold a child's welfare above their own. Not from where I came from!

You cant stop people from having babies, you can stop them from adopting.

Having said that plenty of children are removed from "traditional" homes.

Again I have no problem with any type of couple adopting assuming they are checked out as thoroughly as possible to ensure the childs well being. But it is not a right.

This man may say or do many good things. On this point, though, he is not just "not such a bad guy," he is unbelievably cruel.

The view that nontraditional families are some kind of aberration or are insufficient somehow is not just a swipe at single parents or LGBT parents. That kind of bigotry is not enough. This man is going directly to the psyches of the children of these families and telling them that there is something wrong with their families. Their moms or dads didn't love them enough to be not be gay or lesbian.

And that is eight different kinds of not okay with me.

Judging by his actions so far as pope I think your argument is one he should hear.

He said mother and father. Reading excuses and rationalizations for this kind of bigotry right here on DU is disgusting.

Kids need a loving parent(s), it doesn't matter what the combo of sexes happen to be.

that, frankly, I have a widely varying view of what constitutes 'masculinity' and 'femininty' and just how important that really is in childhood development. And I can say with some certainty, that there are literally millions of people out there that disagree with me to varying degrees. Hell, TBH my views often vary from day to day and I find it amusing that anybody could try to force a one size fits all answer to the matter.

I offer the classic rejoinder to Mr Pope of all Christendom: Hey, you no play-a the game, you no make-a the rules.

I do think the RCC will eventually embrace GBLT people in order to survive, but it's not there yet.

I fell on deaf ears.

So that makes his bigotry OK.

Thanks for posting, Bill.

Sid

And refuse to address the fact of what has happened here. They are failing miserably.

Good to see you Sid.

I don't fall for his slick PR. his PR guy used to be a fox news reporter btw.

Welcome to DU!

Jorge Mario Bergoglio is a fraud. This was one fast PR move on behalf of Emperor Constantine's cult.

Jorge the Whore is asking for forgiveness for the sexual abuse of children by his church. If Jorge really meant what he said, he would have over the accused parties to the courts so that justice can be given.

edit: what should happen to families where one parent cannot be present? What if one parent dies?

So much for the afterglow.

There are many single-parent homes, multi-generational homes, same-sex homes, and other non-traditional homes. What children need is love, compassion, understanding, and education.

He's an old Catholic. What, did you expect him to embrace your views so quickly without looking to what he's been taught his whole life?

Give the rest of the world time to catch up with our message, and convince people with the same compassion and empathy he demonstrates on economic issues. Calling him a fraud, bigot and all these other vile things isn't going to win us any friends.

I know people his age, some are religious, and they don't hold those bigoted views. Calling a bigot when what they say/do is bigoted is nothing more than speaking truth. He is in a position to influence hundreds of thousands of people, if not millions, so no, we are not going to throw him softballs. If he wants to play in the big leagues, then expect a few bean balls to the head from time to time.

Let's not kill the golden goose because part of the eggs is lead. My fellow DUers are calling him ugly names for this one issue when he agrees with us on so many other issues. Let's save the language for the people who oppose us on everything, not a pope that the right-wingers have turned on for addressing the destructive nature of greed!

He is not above reproach, especially when he makes bigoted remarks like the ones above. One doesn't need to hold their tongue because he is "good" on other issues. When the issue is GLBT matters, which this OP clearly is, the Pope is a bigot...that is fact.

and that pretty much overshadows everything else.

He is opposed to all forms of contraception, they are all infanticide. He teaches that women hold an inherently different and inferior status in life, in religion and in the family. 99% of his views are directly from the Republican Platform. He actively supports the 'right to life' movement in the US. There are elements of the Democratic Platform which he characterizes as criminal, demonic and heretical.
In Uganda, 42% of the people are Catholic, followers of Francis who have put into action laws to put gay people in prison for life and others in prison for years if they fail to report gay people to the authorities. Francis's Bishops are dancing in the street to celebrate these laws. Francis has not said a word against this. Francis spent years hoping for such laws, engaging is extreme hate rhetoric toward the LGBT community, language so disgusting that the President of Argentina called it 'Medieval and suggestive of the Inquisition'.
So you be his fan. Knock yourself out for the old hate monger.

I thought he was just an old guy in a fancy bathrobe. Who knew?

My mom is 87 years old.

Religious and one hell of a Democrat! For all that she went through, damn she stands and fights. When my cousin came out and her mom dropped her like a stone, the rest of the family came to her side.

So the Poppie can kiss my.......

So.

people, he ranted against adoption and against marriage equality in hateful rhetoric that made the people of Argentina turn against him.
He called opposing gay rights 'God's war' and said 'we must fight'. He calls for war on gay people.
Of course he does all of that to cover up the toxic guilt of his own organization and fellow clerics in regard to their predatory abuse of children. He points fingers at others claiming to speak for God, so that his pals can get away with horrible crimes. That's his MO and has been all along.

it could work.

People are shitting out kids all the time these days. Regardless of their socio/economic status. When the last time we heard of a gay couple having kids to soon?? Fucking never, for me. Maybe they are better able to handle a child these days since rw asshats have made it so goddamn difficult it takes forever and when/if they finally can, they're in a better place.

I dunno if I made any sense above. It's early. But how about those shitheads stop acting like a gay parent is in any way more harmful than some of my shithead friends popping out more lil brats than they can handle....fuckin breeders..

How can people be a part of this crap? He leads a Church that is under international scrutiny for institutional and generational sexual abuse of thousands of children. Yesterday he begged that the world forget about those crimes and forgive the criminals without any penance, confession, legal action or punishment of any kind. He is an advocate for child abusers, he takes their side.