strife and spinning a weak narrative of what actually is happening there and the bootlickers that support them.

It's the same milieu that brought us Iraq, the destruction of Libya and support the jihadist in Syria. That many are on the same page as murderous Cheney and McCain is telling.

The paramilitaries that are carrying out these projects on the ground would more accurately be called nationalists or fascists. They in philosophy and action resemble the "national fronts" found around Europe.

That they may be a minority or only 8% of parliament doesn't deminish their role in destabilizing the country. It just shows how extreme the political situation in Ukraine is.

who demonstrated starting in November because they want to live in a country that is a western democracy in nature. And they were willing to go with austerity rather than be further sucked into the Russian model of horrible corruption and instability and strongmen. Just because McCain jumps in and takes their side doesn't mean we should automatically think they are our enemies on the DU. McCain would then own half the world. For sure the neocons were partially involved in the Orange revolution back way back when...but they were only a small bit. The people of Ukraine are who we should be focusing on. I just worry we are being danced outside of the issue because of our hate of neocons.

neocons. We give neocons air by giving them, and not the people who showed up day after day in Kiev (willing to forgo $$$$ in the short to medium term in hopes to join up with the EU and be a true democracy), credit. My problem is with the language used to describe true democrats in Ukraine. You call them all neocons and they may end up identifying that way.

Ukraine is splitting apart. If you find yourself supporting the unelected government slaughtering protesters in the east, step back and reconsider what might actually be going on.

and waking up its sleeper cells of "ethnic Russians" to foment trouble. Ukraine actually withstood the collapse of the Yanukovich administration quite well. That's when Russia moved in on Crimea. Russia can't let Ukraine gain stability under western help. Putin feels he can't lose Ukraine and will kick the shit out of it like a bad puppy until it submits.

The huge divisions between the eastern ethnic Russian population and the western ethnic Ukrainians population had plunged the country into a series of dysfunctional and irregular elections. The country has been a mess for at least a decade. "Sleeper cells of ethnic Russians"? Seriously? You think this is an episode of 24?

apart with separatists demanding referendums to have Russia come and take them over. Until Russia wanted that to happen--about the same exact time that Russia was conveniently militarily prepared to "help it along", in fact.

You're confusing Russian speaking Ukrainians (many of them were raised that way via the Soviet days) with people who actually identify themselves as ethnically Russian.

removing Crimea from the equation lessens that number.

Huh????

This is the third variation I've seen rationalizing Putin's actions, whether directly or indirectly.

rid themselves of corruption. Only the stupid and willfully ignorant keep pushing the meme that Ukraine is divided over the Russian speakers in the east wanting to secede.

Voices of Ukraine: “Kiev, people are not cattle”

by Andre Vltchek / April 12th, 2014


I doubt where the official numbers come from, those that say that Ukraine is evenly divided between those who support the West, and those who feel their identity is closely linked with Russia.

Maybe this might be the case in western Ukraine, in Lvov, or even in the capital, Kiev. But western Ukraine has only a few key cities. The majority of people in this country of around 44 million are concentrated in the south, east and southeast, around the enormous industrial and mining centers of Donetsk, Dnepropetrovsk and Krivoi Rog.

There is Odessa in the south, and Kharkov, “the second capital,” in the east. And people in all those parts of the country mainly speak Russian. And they see, what has recently happened in Kiev as an unceremonious coup, orchestrated and supported by the West.

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The car is negotiating a bumpy four-lane highway between Kiev and Odessa. There are three of us on board – my translator, Dmitry from the Liva.com site, a driver and me. Having left Kiev in the morning, we are literally flying at 160 kilometers an hour toward Odessa.....


http://dissidentvoice.org/2014/04/voices-of-ukraine-kiev-people-are-not-cattle/
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Underground, not Marxist/Leninist/Communist/Socialist Underground.
That rag is unreliable propaganda and you're insulting those of us who insist on accurate information.

man who's followed and documented and photographed the horrors of war and atrocity for decades.

His credentials:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andre_Vltchek

Yours:?