better call Judge Reinhold.

honestly, there's no worse representative of hypernationaslistic facism than Dredd.

and really, I shouldn't bitch....I own several trades of Dredd and 2000AD in general, but I get a bit wiggy when I try and think of 'THE JUDGES' in any modern parlance, bad enolugh we have militarized police that are already acting like them.

Don't ever expect Cons to read or grasp the small or large details of any given situation. Somehow, they always fuck it up and get the intent wrong or are already is RAH RAH mode...so rational thought is discarded.

I don't remember in my lifetime seeing an armed militia run off any kind of law enforcement agency. This is a first that I know of.

Why wouldn't any decent person excoriate them? Not to even mention the fact they are law breakers....

We aren't talking about them letting women participate. We're talking about them saying they're putting them up front so they can get shot first if bullets start to fly so then they can start screaming to the world that the feds are shooting women and children.

Teeny... tiny.. difference.

the premise of your entire post is fucking shite.

...and then say things like "I must be the only one that notices..."

Welcome to DU, and do try to keep up.
Things move fast around here.

I can't say I am surprised.
Women targets still get 2/3rds the pay of male targets

Or shoot my wife first

willing to die as martyrs for someone elses cause. the BLM realized their blind idiocy and let them live despite the death wish for thei wives, mothers and daughters.

It had nothing to do with "who rules", at that point, it had to do with level heads prevailing over wanting to die for another man's cows.

by brandishing weapons and threatening federal agents trying to do their jobs?

Interesting.

I took the same oath once, and I call you a self-important terrorist who most certainly DOES NOT believe in the core concept of the Constitution: the peaceful transfer of power. You are at the edge of saying you want to take over things violently - you and your buddies - because you know better what everyone else needs.

You want to pick and choose the parts of the Constitution you will obey. Mostly if we cut out everything but the Second Amendment, you'd probably be fine with that.

Your type are just babies, slow thinkers who don't want to do the real work of change; you like the easy solution a big gun provides.

That's a loser in my book. AND a terrorist.

And the old man should face some consequences for breaking the law. Like paying his fees like every one else.
The militia men who traveled to acerbate the situation should face charges, perhaps terrorism is it is appropriate.
Those weren't grazing rights, just grazing privileges (which come with responsibilities).


One other thing: Obama weak? Do not confuse self restraint and pity for disenfranchised as weakness.

get an order to collect the money that Bundy owes it. The government can take his bank accounts without force. They can take his land without force. He can then be removed for trespassing. Bundy should pay the fees. They aren't that high anyone considering all the beef he has fed on that land then sold for good prices.

Hey! If I thought I could feed them for free in one of the national parks in my area, I'd buy a few cattle just for my own family's consumption. I could hire someone to butcher it and rent a commercial freezer for it.

If Bundy doesn't pay for the privilege of grazing his cattle on public land, who is to stop other people from grazing their cattle for free on that same land? Then who fights to protect whose right to graze on public lands for free? Do we just let the strongest crook win? Because that is what Bundy is if after all these years and all the lost court cases he doesn't either pay the fees he owes or take his cattle elsewhere.

one of those "Free Loader" takers that Romney talked about.

I think it was sarcasm.

He doesn't own the land. He *never* owned the land. It is owned by the PEOPLE of the United States, and if he wants to use it, he can pay a fee (just like his neighbors do). By refusing to pay the fee, he basically got to cut the costs of his business / make more money on his cattle (while his neighbors didn't get the free government subsidy because they aren't thieves).

You might not care about that, but that doesn't make you a "patriot" - it makes you someone who supports free loaders.

Obama has nothing to do with it.

I am sure you were totally against George W. Bush when he passed the "Patriot Act" and you have probably NEVER supported Republican's when they invoked "9/11" --

Basically, if you voted for a Republican in the last 30 years, you deserve what you've gotten. The sad thing is that the rest of us are suffering too as the social safety net has been dissolved and our taxes have gone to make rich people richer - like this Bundy character, who thinks he is "entitled" to steal from the rest of us.

Seriously, when Ronald Reagan was setting things up to destroy the country, didn't you realize he meant people like YOU?

This is a board that supports DEMOCRATS. You might want to visit a place where you might find like minded "the world is ending because a black man got elected" folk.

Bye-bye!

In a post above I half expected you to call out "femanazis" regarding those that weren't keen on the tactic of hiding behind women human shields (a cowardly tactic at best). Now you appear to feel the bad gubment men were looking to gun down the poor beset upon heroes and ran away from the "real" men.

I feel like pinching your widdle cheeks.

What other words of wisdom do you have for us?

That was a pretty direct answer wasn't it?

You do realize that law enforcement carry weapons as part of their jobs don't you? Or did you think this happened in London and the bobbies broke out the weapons "special like" so they could exterminate some meek unarmed pacifists?

I would love personally if law enforcement didn't carry guns like in some other countries, but we will never get to that place with crazy redneck terrorists running around with assault weapons "just itchin' to kill some folk"

who IS Marshall Law?

I'll alert the media.

Ask something that has a point.

"WHO SHOWED UP WITH GUNZZZZZ FIRST..."

What is the precise relevance of the question?

Isn't the more pressing relevant (and pressing) question: "why did Bundy at.al allow their cattle to trespass and refuse to pay over one million dollars in legal back taxes and grazing fees? Seems that anyone who upholds the constitution and rule of law as you allege to do so would place them on a higher plane of ethical behavior than that of free-loaders.

And if you are able to rationalize the irrational and continue to believe that law enforcement should not go anywhere armed, how do you justify the proposed tactic of Bundy et.al. placing children in front to take any alleged gunfire?

Or (and I find this more likely), you're not really too concerned with the story itself, and rather rely on branding in its stead...

be slightly disoriented -- Free Republic is down the hall and to the right. If you show them your gun, you can use the VIP entrance...

Those campaign meetings must be lively.

Ok, I'm gonna go use my 2nd Amendment rights to liberate a pile of cash from a local bank. Should be just fine, right?

Are you referring to the normally armed police men or the armed for the specific occasion american taliban? All the video footage happened on a public highway. A large collection of armed men confronting governmental workers doing their job will draw a large crowd of armed law enforcement types. Anyone who is surprised by that must be confused each morning by the dawn in the east.

One wonders what would have happened if two groups of only armed people had confronted each other on the highway? As one group decided embedded themselves with unarmed non-combatants, we will never know.

As the other 16000 ranchers paid their grazing fees (as decided by the democratically elected representatives of all the citizens in the USA, your WE

I guess illegal ranching is okay in your book. The law was doing it job, until an angry mob of gun nuts showed up.

at Law enforcement officers. You are off the deep end if you think citizens should take up arms against our Government. You certainly don't belong on this forum.

In this case the Constitution is not on Bundy's side--as U.S. courts have found more than once.

Your feigning surprise that LEOs are armed is laughable. Police helping a lost kid can be said to have "showed up with guns."

That dog won't hunt.

regulations regarding federal land are you willing to over look?
I think most here would see both Wall St and this jack ass and his ilk held to account.
You are right, we're the boss of Government, that doesn't exempt you from paying your fair share, or arming yourself with other people and their guns to ensure you don't have to. If we want to allow this gent to set precedent, we can hand Wall St. the roladex full of his friends and tell them to call anytime they don't like a trading policy.

get lost.

That's for the ruling class only, who command armies much larger than Bundy's.

our ex president clearing brush, you're a good old boy, not a terrorist.

nm me, please disregard my dumb ass 8/

nt.

Everything the idiot spews is Sovereign Citizen bullshit.

The Sovereign Citizen movement is extremely violent and extremely dangerous.

The SPLC is keeping a close watch on the violence and rhetoric of these terrorists.

part of our population. All the super right wing guys would watch it. And the Feds.

it will set a terrible precedent. We cannot allow people to entertain the notion that they can use the threat of physical violence to avoid complying with the law.

and Guns Made America Great!

I hope the wingnuts realize he's another chicken hawk, just like all their heroes.

As for Glenn Beck, I was reading he thinks they are in the wrong.

Virtually the entire right side of the spectrum has rallied to the defense of Cliven Bundy, the Nevada rancher who thinks he can allow his cattle to graze on federal land because he only recognizes the authority of the government of Nevada, not the United States. With one very loud exception--Glenn Beck.

This weekend, when Beck found out that several people--including a good number of his followers--were threatening violence unless the gubmint leaves Bundy and his patriot family alone, he wrote an open letter on his Website saying he could not in any way endorse violence against government officials.

I worry about the rancher and his family. The ranchers around him and all around the country. I was blowing the warning trumpets on this kind of usurpation long ago. But any fan of mine knows that I have also said that I will never call for arms with the state of our faith.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/04/14/1292050/-Glenn-Beck-condemns-those-threatening-violence-in-Nevada-standoff

Among some gems of mouth-breathing excellence there is this

“Glenn, you are no longer a friend of the Patriots fighting for FREEDOM. Go away and sell some books and your false ‘Bravado’ to other traitors. Hpw about you yourself said this Tyranny was coming and did not stand up. Re-read Article 1 Bundy is a hero. Oh, thats why you are mad, they didn’t invite you to speak?”
“You are wrong Mr. Beck, the Founding Fathers didn’t pray away Tyranny….They shot the Tyrants….Sic Semper Tyrannus,” said another.

A number of Beck’s detractors said on his Facebook page that violence was necessary because Democrats committed voter fraud.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/04/15/1292368/-Glen-Freaking-Beck-suggests-Ranchers-avoid-violence#

I think that many in the tea people movement actually do think the US government is illigitimate. Look at the Kochs who want to eliminate just about everything that government does.
They believe in anarchy as the best system of government because the predatory, self centered rich will be even freer to attack and steal from others with fewer consequences than now. With their money they will be able to protect themselves while other, smaller people are eliminated.
Their dim witted, easily brainwashed followers also support this ideal but will be some of the first to go in such a world.

Of course if they actually achieved this America, their money might not be worth anything anymore so they would lose their advantage as society crumbles around them. It's not a very well conceived system. These guys aren't quite the thinkers our founding fathers were but they don't seem to realize this.

It makes my brain ache that Mr. Bundy 'doesn't recognize the federal government' - which I guess means that he doesn't recognize the Constitution (you know, the "We the people of the United States of America" part) - screams to the high Heavens about his "2nd Amendment Rights" - you know, that Amendment to the US Constitution. So he's like all the other RW wackos, he only wants to obey the parts he agrees. No Federal Government for him, but he wants that one little part of the Constitution that allows him to carry a gun.

This man is breaking the law. The law is clear. The law is established. The law is known and followed by his neighbors. He is a freeloader -- the welfare cowboy.

Everyone else grazes their cattle on:
A) land that they own and pay taxes -- or --
B) Federal land for which they pay a grazing fee.

Bundy is avoiding the expense of raising his herd but is getting the profit of selling the fatted kine. (freeloader) This seems to be an economic issue, so hit him in his wallet. If he won't willingly pay what he owes, get it from him in another way. Start with putting a lien on his property. Freeze his assets.

Is it possible to recover his unpaid fees at the sale of His cattle to a degree that no one wants to buy from him? He might try to get around that by selling to his neighbors and let them sell the cattle at market.

If he can get away with that, then what if all grazing fees were eliminated and a surcharge placed on the sale of any meat animal from that region? Those who haven't used federal land would be upset, so call it "Bundy's tax"? If others have to pay for his freeloading, maybe they wouldn't be so quick to side with him. They might even try to influence him with peer pressure.

Don't call him a patriot. How can he be a patriot if he fails to recognize the legitimacy of the federal government. What he is doing is in no way patriotic. He is simply a freeloader trying to get away with it through anarchy. I guess that makes him a freeloading anarchist and a thief.

right-wing NRA anarchists with guns...