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When I first heard about this, I wanted to drive back to Boston and beat him with a chunk of sidewalk pavement.
Then I checked out his Facebook page:
http://deadspin.com/heres-the-guy-charged-with-leaving-bags-at-boston-marat-1563656475
https://www.facebook.com/kayvonedson
...and in his videos, he makes mention of trips to McLean Hospital in Belmont, one of the foremost mental institutions in America.
I think the Artist had a manic episode. He won't be going to jail. He'll be going back to the hospital. McLean = pretty serious issues.
My guess after some consideration: the run-up to the anniversary was profoundly emotional for everyone in that city. I think this kid spent all day listening to the church bells chiming mournfully, the bagpipes playing on Boylston, the rain of tears in the TV coverage, and lost it. Had a bad bipolar manic episode. Better people than this kid cracked yesterday. Combine that with his condition, and you get this. Just a guess, but I think I'm pretty close to the mark.
It's pretty clear from his Facebook page alone that he is not well, which sucks for him twofold: he's sick, and later on, when he regains control of himself, he is going to regret this for the rest of his life.
I'm not usually one to preach pity for someone making Marathon bombing jokes, especially when it's this extreme. In this case however, I recommend not taking his actions too much to heart. He's pretty clearly not well.
UPDATE: his brother has released a statement regarding this guy's multiple mental disorder diagnoses. Suspicion apparently confirmed.
http://boston.cbslocal.com/2014/04/16/wakefield-man-charged-in-bomb-scare-at-boston-marathon-finish-line/
el_bryanto
(11,804 posts)if he comes to understand his actions he'll regret the hell out of them.
Bryant
malaise
(269,004 posts)I just thought he was an insensitive asshole but knew he was not a bomber.
Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts)I think he's weird, but not necessarily mentally ill.
sinkingfeeling
(51,457 posts)WilliamPitt
(58,179 posts)You can see a fair portion of the content at the Deadspin link.
Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)Dawgs
(14,755 posts)GeorgeGist
(25,321 posts)Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)downed airliner half a world away as if the media themselves were doing the job.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)I don't know what it takes to make the cut.
Death toll from Boston bombing - 4
Death toll from CA bus crash - 10
A year from now, we aren't going to see pictures of the dead from that bus on the news 24/7.
But, are you are unstable and want to be famous for a day? Go to Boston and pull some stupid stunt during the Marathon.
WilliamPitt
(58,179 posts)Death toll: 4
Injury toll: 264
Number of single and double amputees: 16
Financial toll: Close to $400 million in damage to the local economy in lost wages, lost retail sales and infrastructure damage
Psychological toll on the victims and the entire city: impossible to determine
The Boston Marathon: changed forever, and not for the better
As terrible as that bus crash was, this isn't that, jberry. As much as you want people to stop "fetishizing tragedy," I'd like people to stop giving the back of their hand to real pain, just because that pain doesn't fall within their own personal yardsticks.
In other words, maybe don't say dick things to people who are in real pain. That you seem unable to at least show some empathy for that pain says far more about you than it does about us "fetishers."
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)'Fetish' is the word I would use to describe the nightly news. Everyone seems lined up for their moment in the sun, doing XYZ to pray for, have a moment of silence for, observe, or some fucking ritual, that event. Every night it is in the news, front and center.
It doesn't seem healthy to me.
And there is no sense of proportion. This had some 40 or fewer fatalities. We drop bombs on weddings with more than 40 people attending worldwide, and nobody gives a shit.
Last night, they spent about 15 minutes on it, on KING5, with a good 20 seconds of footage just zoomed in on the face of the officer cranking the state Capitol flag down to half mast. 25 days after it happened.
This doesn't seem normal to me. This doesn't even seem like a grieving process. It looks like people just rubbing the issue all over themselves, like disaster porn or something.
I think the term upthread, 'fetishizing tragedy' nailed it. We totally do that, as a society.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)C'mon, didn't you read what William Pitt wrote?
This was a $400 MILLION economic disruption! In Boston!
Whoever heard of wherever the heck this landslide happened, except for some people who live out in someplace that would never host an important recreational event!
A hearty "back of William Pitt's hand" to your landslide victims along with the victims of all sorts of unimportant tragedies.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)How about planting a big neon sign over every mile of the marathon flashing "HEY CRAZY PEOPLE - DO SHIT HERE AND GET ATTENTION"
Like I said, obviously the disruption of a recreational event and the deaths of four people deserves annual salt-rubbing, and we'll never hear about the ten killed in the bus crash again.
30,000 people killed in car accidents last year - do you give a shit about road safety? The Boston bombing is NOTHING compared to that figure.
But you and the media want to make sure every deranged person gets the memo. Why not hand out maps to them.
CreekDog
(46,192 posts)Arkana
(24,347 posts)that they had put a "shelter in place" order over five suburbs of Boston, which basically consisted of the governor asking nicely if people could not leave their houses so the streets would be open for SWAT and National Guard.
If people had not complied I'm prepared to bet it would have taken weeks to find the kid, and he'd have been dead when they finally did find him.
What surprised me, however, was the alarming number of folks here who took issue with the shelter-in-place. Apparently it was an abridgement of their rights to be asked to stay indoors while the fucking police searched for a mass murderer. Never mind that they caught him within 24 hours, never mind that afterwards Boston was treated to the biggest display of unity and jubilation the city has seen probably since the Revolution...nope, we were chastised for not being angry that the governor had issued a shelter-in-place.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)It was reported as martial law, and there were videos shown of apparent home searches without warrants, etc. Things that had all the appearance of civil rights violations.
Later, the reporting fog of war cleared, and it appeared the searches were welcomed and consented to by the occupants, that the 'lockdown' of the city was voluntary at the request of the governor, not an order followed with arrests for non-compliance, etc.
It took several days for that fog to clear. Unfortunate? Yes. Because to the people there, they probably didn't understand at all why so many people around the country were so concerned about it. Total disconnect between the reality, and the non-local reporting.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)I cringe when they give this sort of coverage to mass shootings. Especially the way in which they cover it.
It can be made a political issue for legislation/control/debate without turning it into disaster porn.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)I like the part of every mass killing where they rank it against other mass killings.
The Newtown shooter was definitely keyed into that aspect.
I mean, if you aren't going for high score, then coming up short is just a waste of time.
We get the play-by-play computer animation of every move and every shot, so that the up and coming mass killer can learn from his predecessors' mistakes.
The Boston bombing is a lesson to us all - why run the risk of crimping pipe or tightening down on plumbing fixtures which, in a black powder device, can cause unexpected ignition when, instead, you can use a pressure cooker. Thank you, news media, for making sure we all got this important memo.
And, mind those security cameras!
alp227
(32,025 posts)This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.
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What an over the top past that insults both Boston bombing victims and the mentally ill. Will Pitt in his reply demolishes the "fetishizing tragedy" line and comparison with the bus crash. Such insensitivity has no place on DU.
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CreekDog
(46,192 posts)1000words
(7,051 posts)Given the regular occurrence of mass shootings, terrorist attacks, plane crashes and natural disasters, are we expected to be in a constant state of grief? Americans in particular, seem to wallow in drama.
CreekDog
(46,192 posts)is that a better approach?
remember the guy who posted the joke about the Boston bombing the day it happened? quite a guy.
meegbear
(25,438 posts)WilliamPitt
(58,179 posts)I do not think he enjoyed his evening.
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)this would be a cool or funny thing to do...
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Our media is in thrall to people who do these things, and we make sure they get lots of publicity.
RandoLoodie
(133 posts)wow.
that's pretty intense.
steve2470
(37,457 posts)RandoLoodie
(133 posts)have to do with Boston?
steve2470
(37,457 posts)I don't think Pitt would ever do that, but I certainly understand his passion.
RandoLoodie
(133 posts)It certainly can move a person. But for anyone who has witnessed or been a victim of violent assault, descriptions like that can be a trigger.
I could never imagine personally beating someone with pieces of sidewalk. Not even as a cheesy literary gambit.
WilliamPitt
(58,179 posts)noun, Rhetoric .
1. obvious and intentional exaggeration.
2. an extravagant statement or figure of speech not intended to be taken literally, as to wait an eternity.
steve2470
(37,457 posts)jberryhill
(62,444 posts)For most people, that passes.
For some people, their anger justifies killing other people.
So they go out and kill other people. Or, they talk about killing other people, and inspire unstable others to do it for them.
This makes more people want to kill yet other people.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)The intent of that passage is to evoke the satisfying "thack" of a dense heavy object as it impacts a skull - which is fairly hard and brittle, but encased in a muffling layer of skin and hair. Depending on where you hit one, you can get a pretty good shatter and drive pieces of bone right into the brain. It's all a matter of aim and a little luck.
You want to make sure that you can impact with one of the edges or corners of the piece of sidewalk, so as to concentrate as much of that momentum into a small area, in order to ensure a good chance of shattering the skull itself.
The blood won't "spurt" right out, so much as it will ooze profusely. Your target will crumple to the ground as if someone hit an "off" switch on them somewhere. You might get some involuntary spasms for a bit, but they will then reach a state of calm satisfying repose as a pool of darkening red forms where their head lies, and coagulates into their hair to form a brownish mat.
On the use of literary hyperbole and imagery, I give William Pitt an A+ on this one.
DallasNE
(7,403 posts)Other countries don't seem to have nearly the issues this country has with the mentally ill. Has anyone ever taken a serious look into why this is apparently so. One thing is sure, continuing down the same path invites future disasters and nobody in power wants to tackle this problem, probably because of cost. But you pay a high price by doing nothing as we see on a nearly daily basis. And the problem won't go away on its own.
dilby
(2,273 posts)When Art is done right it's always controversial.
progressiveinaction
(150 posts)Remove the emotional aspect here for a moment. What law did he break?
Obviously carrying a backpack is not illegal. Carrying a backpack with a rice cooker is not illegal. Carrying a backpack containing a rice cooker and with confetti is not illegal. Setting a backpack on the ground is not illegal (the other one detonated was a reporters backpack, and they did not get charged).
Can anyone explain this?
WilliamPitt
(58,179 posts)"Kevin Edson, 25, who also goes by the name Kayvon Edson, is charged with possession or use of a hoax device and making a false bomb threat. If convicted, those carry up to five and up to 20 years in state prison, respectively, according to Jake Wark, the spokesman for Suffolk County District Attorney Dan Conley."
http://boston.cbslocal.com/2014/04/16/wakefield-man-charged-in-bomb-scare-at-boston-marathon-finish-line/
progressiveinaction
(150 posts)But what exactly makes it a "hoax device"? I'm looking at this from a defense attorney's point of view, basically.
-The other people who left a bag were not charged, it contained camera equipment.
-Rice cookers and confetti are not illegal. How is that different from a camera?
-I'm pretty sure I could put a bag with a rice cooker and confetti on my street and not be charged with a hoax device. Does the proximity to the marathon have anything to do with it? And if so, how close do you need to be to the marathon area to get this charge?
arcane1
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AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)What?
arcane1
(38,613 posts)AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)Spammers are so easy to kill.
Arkana
(24,347 posts)H2O Man
(73,543 posts)Recommended.
It was apparent that this was a mentally ill person, who was experiencing the symptoms of his illness. Sad as it is, I think it's good that he didn't get killed. There are places in this country where the chances of his being killed by a police officer likely would have resulted from his behavior.
pacalo
(24,721 posts)It pretty much matches what I was thinking when I saw the videos of him posted on DU late last night. I'm impressed with your understanding.