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Brigid

(17,621 posts)
Wed Apr 16, 2014, 11:32 AM Apr 2014

An excellent review of "Inside Job "

It's still one of the most lucid documentaries about a complex topic I have ever seen. DVD Verdict reviewer Roy Hrab, gives director Charles Ferguson kudos for that; but as an economist, he also points out a flaw that the rest of us probably find hard to see through the steam coming out of our ears: The banksters and Wall Street assholes are not the only ones at fault here. Yes, it's true they belong in jail, and yes, it's disgusting that they are not. But it's also true that corrupt politicians have not done their jobs and reined them in. They also deserve our ire, but Ferguson does not give them enough attention.

Then Hrab brings up and issue that gets far too little attention when the housing bubble is talked about, and a very sensitive one: The homebuyers themselves. Did they really have to let themselves get taken in by these slick con artists? Hrab tries not condemn them, but I have to admit I remember seeing signs back then for mortgages with no money down and hearing about people in low-paying jobs buying $300,000 homes and thinking it was odd. I guess some of them thought they could beat the housing market. True, they were unaware of the machinations going on in the background (CDOs and the the like). It is also true that the housing bubble was not the only thing going on that caused the collapse. But suppose the ordinary home buyer had said, "I work a low-wage job and you want me to buy a $300,000 house? Are you insane?" At least said ordinary home buyer could have saved himself.

Here's Roy Hrab's review:

http://www.dvdverdict.com/reviews/insidejob.php

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An excellent review of "Inside Job " (Original Post) Brigid Apr 2014 OP
Nothing wrong with low income buying a 300k home seveneyes Apr 2014 #1
"I work a low-wage job and you want me to buy a $300,000 house? Are you insane?" ChisolmTrailDem Apr 2014 #2
See? Brigid Apr 2014 #5
I can answer as to the homebuyers. JDPriestly Apr 2014 #3
This^ OffWithTheirHeads Apr 2014 #4
It's true that lenders should not have loosened their standards . . . Brigid Apr 2014 #6
 

seveneyes

(4,631 posts)
1. Nothing wrong with low income buying a 300k home
Wed Apr 16, 2014, 11:44 AM
Apr 2014

If the loan sharks did not require them to pay double that in interest.

 

ChisolmTrailDem

(9,463 posts)
2. "I work a low-wage job and you want me to buy a $300,000 house? Are you insane?"
Wed Apr 16, 2014, 11:47 AM
Apr 2014

I was curious about no down payment and the other marketing points at the time so I checked it out. That quote almost nearly states word for word what I said, except I wasn't really a low-wage earner at $21/hr in heavy construction in my neck of the woods. But, I did often get laid off and knew that would make it difficult to pay for a home. They were willing to "take a chance" with me anyway. I walked away. And, I'm glad I did.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
3. I can answer as to the homebuyers.
Wed Apr 16, 2014, 11:52 AM
Apr 2014

First, in two instances that I personally know of, the homebuyers or homeowners seeking to buy or refinance their homes were encouraged by the mortgage lender to obtain the signature of a relative or friend who would guarantee the payment of the mortgage. That was a very troubling practice of the mortgage companies, replacing a reasonable credit and income record with a guarantor. The guarantors and the homebuyers were really naive and foolish about buying the house or helping a neighbor or relative. So, yes, the homebuyers really were taken in.

Second, it was a housing boom. Housing prices were rising and the numbers of homeowners was increasing all in an economy in which wages were not rising. Any banker, mortgage lender, businessman, anyone working in the mortgage lending field should have seen red libhts everywhere. Individual homeowners did not have the business or economic training to assess the impact that the disparity between the incomes of the home buyers and the prices of the houses would necessarily have. But bankers, mortgage lenders, professionals in the field should not have been operating in the field if they couldn't read the warning signs that were practically flashing in your eyes at the time.

I had a friend who had worked for years as a manager in a very well known and successful company who fell for the mortgage company's suggestion that she get a friend to co-sign to refinance her very, very expensive home. Of course, in the end she had to leave house.

Bankers and mortgage lenders were not doing their jobs. They were not watching the economy. They were not acting cautiously enough. They knowingly allowed people, some of whom should have known better but most of whom were ignorant about economic matters to qualify for loans. The mortgage lender is supposed to be the gatekeeper.

When we bought our home many years ago, we were only allowed by the lender to buy a house that we could qualify for. The lenders stopped saying "no" to people and allowed too many people to qualify for loans. The lenders bear 100% of the responsibility for the crisis. They chose to give loans to unqualified borrowers. They did not have to do that.

Brigid

(17,621 posts)
6. It's true that lenders should not have loosened their standards . . .
Wed Apr 16, 2014, 12:14 PM
Apr 2014

As to who qualified for a mortgage. They did it out of greed, and richly deserve to be condemned. But the word "no" works both ways.

I.am taking a property law class, and our instructor likes to make up her own packets for her classes. In the packet for this class there is a wonderful little section called "advice to home buyers." Her Brother-in- law wrote it. The gist of it is, you do your homework, and you, not the bank, decide how much home you can afford. Because unlike the old days when you bought your home, the banks will want you to borrow more.

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