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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsIt's scary that anyone would believe this bullshit.. Even scarier that people voted for this idiot..
lostincalifornia
(3,639 posts)Last edited Wed Apr 16, 2014, 02:21 PM - Edit history (1)
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Ohio Joe
(21,756 posts)"2. That said, Barton has used the threat of global warming to combat something he hates even more: wind energy. In a 2009 hearing, Barton implied that wind is a "finite resource" and that harnessing it would "slow the winds down" which would "cause the temperature to go up.""
http://content.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1997963,00.html
There are even more simply wrong and stupid things said by this moron at the link.
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lostincalifornia
(3,639 posts)Ohio Joe
(21,756 posts)I jumped to an unwarranted conclusion, I am sorry.
lostincalifornia
(3,639 posts)Should have Made it that clearer
Images are showing, I don't know what happen.
Thanks
JimDandy
(7,318 posts)It showed up after about 10 seconds while reading the thread.
lostincalifornia
(3,639 posts)happyslug
(14,779 posts)If you transform one type of energy (wind) to another type of Energy (electricity), the first form of energy no longer exists. i.e it is now electrical power. Thus wind is a "Finite" source, sooner or later if you have enough wind mills, the wind will stop blowing for if a gust does pick up, the wind mills will absorb that energy and convert it to electricity.
A lack of wind, permit ground temperature to accelerate thus you would have increase heat (but that increase heat will provide the energy that pushes air and causes wind).
We tend to forget the wind currents are driven by the cold of the arctic and Antarctic interacting with the hear of the tropics. Air wants to be the same temperature as possible and thus cold air is pulled in the direction of hot air, and hot air is driven in the direction of cold air.
In fact one of the fears of Global Warming is that if the ice caps ever disappear, you would have a more uniform world wide temperature, thus killing the wind currents.
This is the problem with most Anti-Global warming advocates, they rely on science when it supports they side, but ignore it when it is against them. Thus they are often half right.
Rex
(65,616 posts)What? You believe in finite wind or something?
GoneOffShore
(17,339 posts)With that screen name, it's possible.
lostincalifornia
(3,639 posts)Worst. Geez
7962
(11,841 posts)Remember, its just like an 8th grade hallway around here sometimes.
JackInGreen
(2,975 posts)the potty in preschool...
lostincalifornia
(3,639 posts)lostincalifornia
(3,639 posts)RKP5637
(67,108 posts)nikto
(3,284 posts)Would it cause a typhoon?
Or are farts finite?
sulphurdunn
(6,891 posts)was facing the same way and mooning the so-called Communist Party when they cut loose.
HubertHeaver
(2,522 posts)If they are all facing the same direction it could cause axis problems...if done at night, could probably be seen from outer space...
nikto
(3,284 posts)notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)lostincalifornia
(3,639 posts)and edited my post accordingly
freshwest
(53,661 posts)But what a great message. The Idiocracy will soon be upon us, and it ain't pretty.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,706 posts)"Wind is a finite resource and harnessing would slow the wind down which would cause the temperature to go up."
Maybe a somewhat dim third-grader might think that, but gawd almighty, this is a member of Congress? Shouldn't there be some kind of minimum knowledge requirement for a person to run for public office? Have candidates pass some high-school civics and science tests, at least?
John1956PA
(2,654 posts)I read the Wikipedia page about him to get the full version of his rambling comment about how harnessing the wind may cause it to stop. I do not care to repeat that nonsense here.
Also, he referred to the Genesis flood story in stating his opinion on the Keystone pipeline.
The Wikipedia page indicates that he has a medical history of diabetes and a heart attack. It would be kind to suggest that his physical illness contributed to his ridiculous statement that harnessing the wind may diminish it.
Aristus
(66,379 posts)A school where stacking one block on top of another without the structure collapsing earns one a satisfactory grade?
This smells like the stink that wafts out from anti-education states...
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)He took Professor Ogg Smackrock's class, where he learned the physics behind pointy sticks, hitting big rocks with bigger rocks, and farting into campfires.
Iwillnevergiveup
(9,298 posts)That was a DUzy....hilarious, Scootaloo!
GeoWilliam750
(2,522 posts)That he got his undergrad, grad, and doctorate from the same adviser?
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)He got his undergraduate degree from Texas A&M, and a master's degree from Purdue. He's obviously regressed quite a bit since those days.
Thor_MN
(11,843 posts)My conclusion is that the only thing that can stop one from getting the diploma is your ability to write a check that clears. I don't man to say all with MBAs are idiots, just that there are MBA programs that lack the ability to screen out morons.
VA_Jill
(9,975 posts)He thinks wind is a finite resource because his industrial engineering classes taught him that when you turn a fan off, the breeze stops!
Hutzpa
(11,461 posts)Wiki page is the last place to go to read on someone, especially now were we see every tom, dick and harry with a computer
has figured out a way to manipulate the site.
Reagan had a degree in ECONOMICS
Look what that got us
okaawhatever
(9,462 posts)policies.
Jerry442
(1,265 posts)Bernardo de La Paz
(49,002 posts)rurallib
(62,416 posts)I don't believe many are born that ignorant. It is something they have decided to pursue with great vigor.
A person can not become that stupid without a lot of effort to totally ignore all that goes on around you.
siligut
(12,272 posts)His statement only demonstrates how stupid and/or powerless he believes others to be.
dem in texas
(2,674 posts)We are on overload in the production political fools and overload for the stupids who vote for them.
philosslayer
(3,076 posts)irisblue
(32,975 posts)that wind is finite resource? Or DeGrasse is correct. Please clarify that for me.
philosslayer
(3,076 posts)The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,706 posts)Post #40 says wind speed may be reduced in the locality of wind turbines but that doesn't mean wind is a finite resource, nor does it mean that any resulting small, local temperature change has anything to do with global climate change. There would have to be wind turbines on every square mile of the earth for them to make any significant difference in overall wind speeds and tempertures. He seems to be interpreting this information as meaning you should not use wind turbines to "harness the wind." Wind is not a finite resource; it's a complex phenomenon caused by variations in temperature across large areas. If anything, it's becoming windier lately because of rapid and unusual temperature variations. This knucklehead, a devout climate change denier, just doesn't want to use alternate energy sources (because, I don't know, maybe God?), and so has concluded wind turbines are bad because they will make the wind go away. He's the second stupidest guy in Congress after Louie Gohmert.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,002 posts)In the absence of any discussion of the all-important broader context, your bald statement is simply carrying the water for the oligarchy and to hell with our grandchildren.
See my post #77
gottafly
(12 posts)minute think he believes that. Typical GOP though, pandering to the ignorance of the Pubbie base...
Zambero
(8,964 posts)Triggering another ice age perhaps?
Stonepounder
(4,033 posts)Rider3
(919 posts)TexasTowelie
(112,204 posts)I am ashamed and apologize for what the stupid p.eople in my state have done.
Fuddnik
(8,846 posts)Louie Ghomert was a judge. And a Defense JAG attorney.
Cheviteau
(383 posts)...the past tense in your comment. When he had to perform in front of people with intelligence he couldn't make it.
cynzke
(1,254 posts)who apologized to BP?
TexasTowelie
(112,204 posts)DhhD
(4,695 posts)dawg
(10,624 posts)levels of power in this country. It's just a reflection of the electorate, I guess.
giftedgirl77
(4,713 posts)My 6 yr old nephew would put this idiot in his place.
Cosmocat
(14,564 posts)and I know a lot of our local elected officials who are republicans, including judges.
Overwhelmingly good people, most are truly giving and decent people who I like a lot and interact with regularly on non-partisan civic matters.
People I like and respect.
They either completely swallow whatever bullshit the party sells or know it is nonsense and don't care.
It is truly bizarre.
To me, they are liberal in almost every way, kind, giving, accepting ...
But, they totally have swallowed the Obamacare meme, the evil liberal.
Sat in a meeting and a bunch of really good people started complaining about how hard it is to get mortgage now because of typical big, intrusive government.
Like, they totally missed out on what caused the collapse of the economy 6 years ago.
I don't get it, and I have stopped trying to get it.
Can't beat it ...
Tsiyu
(18,186 posts)Thanks to are Texas Skoolbooks, I haz mad sayince skilz
riqster
(13,986 posts)Demoiselle
(6,787 posts)Anybody?!!
merrily
(45,251 posts)1. In the building,
2. In the room,
3. Awake,
4. Paying attention
And
5. Smarter than this guy?
MindMover
(5,016 posts)Everyone else has to be licensed and stamped and certified ...
WHY NOT POLITICIANS ...
merrily
(45,251 posts)Depressing, albeit correct, answer. Federal and state Constitutions set out all the criteria for our elected "representatives;" testing is not one of them and, at least as to the federal Constitution, we can't get out of our own way long enough to amend it.
merrily
(45,251 posts)We could have saved so many of the lives and homes lost to hurricanes.
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)Seems to ring a bell.
Hutzpa
(11,461 posts)but that moron you speak of met with an untimely death in a plane crash up in Alaska I think. I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm
wrong.
A HERETIC I AM
(24,368 posts)who died in a plane crash in 2009.
From the Wikipedia page "Series of Tubes";
Ten movies streaming across that, that Internet, and what happens to your own personal Internet? I just the other day got an Internet [that was] sent by my staff at 10 o'clock in the morning on Friday. I got it yesterday [Tuesday]. Why? Because it got tangled up with all these things going on the Internet commercially.
[ ] They want to deliver vast amounts of information over the Internet. And again, the Internet is not something that you just dump something on. It's not a big truck. It's a series of tubes. And if you don't understand, those tubes can be filled and if they are filled, when you put your message in, it gets in line and it's going to be delayed by anyone that puts into that tube enormous amounts of material, enormous amounts of material.[5]
Hutzpa
(11,461 posts)I remember vividly when he made that comment. How times have changed, eh.
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)But most of the knuckle draggers are basically interchangeable.
Hutzpa
(11,461 posts)we are quickly finding out the reason why someone like Joe Barton got elected. The amount of shenanigans that these
guys get into is to put it mildly, just plain insane. Our fight with the rich should really be a fight against corrupt business
individuals and dealings, which I might add is not an easy fit to accomplish, because they have made it so convoluted
that federal agents are so disjointed in a way that you don't know who is working for or against progress.
So we end up with morons like this punk here speaking on issues he has no knowledge of, but just so we can see his
mouth moving with nothing but hot stinking air coming out of it.
The CCC
(463 posts)This man is not an idiot. He just knows the people who voted for him are.
calimary
(81,273 posts)Glad you're here! I do disagree with you on one thing - I definitely do believe he is an idiot. And like attracts like. That's the best I can figure it. And when I look at certified ding-dongs like him, I find myself seriously questioning the sanity of the voters back home who saw fit to elevate this idiot to freakin' CONGRESS!!!! It's utterly shocking to me to consider brainless twits like him, and louie gohmert, being elevated to Congress. For crying out loud!!! And then to realize also that gohmert was a judge before he went to Washington. THIS dingbat was a JUDGE????? WHAT THE HELL??????
I'm sorry - but I find myself wondering what the hell is wrong with the voters who think these are worthy individuals to represent them in Congress. The fault lies squarely with THEM. What is it? Something in the water? Is it the dust-bowl leftovers in the air they breathe? WHAT THE HELL??????? You folks back there - you want THIS pathetic, shameful, anti-intellectual type of individual representing you? What does that say, then, about YOU? Answer - NOTHING good. They should by all rights be ashamed. But perhaps they're too dim a bunch of dim bulbs even to realize it.
A HERETIC I AM
(24,368 posts)The quote is from a congressional hearing that took place in the late summer of 2009.
irisblue
(32,975 posts)ErikJ
(6,335 posts)like most Republicans.
IronLionZion
(45,446 posts)The effect has implications for wind-farm efficiency. Upwind turbines in a densely packed farm may weaken the breeze before it reaches the downwind ones. It could even have a more general impact. If wind farms were constructed on a truly massive scale, their cumulative momentum deficit could conceivably alter wind speeds on a global scale (though how winds would change is complexthey'd likely slow in places and speed up in others).
Wind farms can also affect the local temperature. According to Somnath Baidya Roy, an atmospheric scientist at the University of Illinois, as a breeze passes over a wind farm, the turbines create an atmospheric wake where wind speeds drop and turbulence increases. The rotors spawn a set of eddies that mix air from above with air from below. The eddies can lift cool air and sink warm air or vice-versa. That turbulence could raise or lower local temperatures. In a paper published in 2012, one group of researchers studied areas over several wind farms in Texas and found that local surface temperatures had risen by a small but significant amount.
http://www.popsci.com/science/article/2013-05/fyi-do-wind-farms-make-it-less-windy
We found that when wind turbines are present, they slow down the outer rotation winds of a hurricane, Jacobson said. This feeds back to decrease wave height, which reduces movement of air toward the center of the hurricane, increasing the central pressure, which in turn slows the winds of the entire hurricane and dissipates it faster.
The researchers found that 78,286 large wind turbines arrayed off the coast of New Orleans would have dropped Hurricane Katrinas wind speeds by 81 miles per hour, and reduced storm surge by up to 71 percent. Covering most of the Gulf Coast with wind turbines (meaning over half a million individual turbines) slowed down a modeled Katrina even more (wind speeds by 90 mph and storm surge by 79 percent). The same area covered by half as many turbines would still cut storm surge by 63 percent. Hurricane Isaac would have lost up to 60 percent of its storm surge and 57 mph of wind speed. Their model of Hurricane Sandy found that 112,014 offshore turbines would cut wind speed by 80 mph and drop storm surge by 21 percent.
The purpose of a wind turbine is to transmit kinetic energy from wind into electrical energy used to power homes and businesses. The wind that comes out the backside of a wind farm has less energy than it did when it entered the array. And a recent study found that wind farms, even on a huge scale, do not affect the climate as some have claimed. And Archer and Jacobson said in 2012 that 4 million turbines spread around the world could generate half the worlds energy needs without interfering with atmospheric circulation too much.
http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2014/02/26/3332521/offshore-wind-turbines-slow-hurricanes/
Joe Barton is an idiot for many reasons. But not because of this. The energy comes from somewhere, which reduces the energy somewhere else. There are consequences to everything.
ErikJ
(6,335 posts)Last edited Wed Apr 16, 2014, 03:01 PM - Edit history (1)
turbines cant cause increase in global temperatures. That's "Jesus rode dinosaurs" Republican logic.
Wind isnt a finite resouce in the sense that we will never run out of it like fossil fuels.
And experts say that the midwest alone has enough wind energy potential to supply 15 times the electrical needs of America.
toby jo
(1,269 posts)I'm still stuck on, "wind is a finite resource".
From what I can tell, wind is a result of a spinning earth and atmospheric conditions, (highs, lows, etc.).
I can't imagine us building enough turbines to stop it. His statement implies we will. Then this would be a guy who backs up everything carbon-based, the truly finite resources.
Our little local electrical co-op, running off the local coal plants, has a guy who does an editorial every month. Last months covered how we need coal, because it is cheap, and it is helping poor people around the world to lift themselves up out of poverty. He being of the type that gives a rats ass about the world's poor.
They pull hypocrisy out of their assholes when needed.
ErikJ
(6,335 posts)So I never understood that GOP logic.
IronLionZion
(45,446 posts)"free market job creators" don't like competition.
sunnystarr
(2,638 posts)is that it's misleading. What he actually referred to is that the energy from wind turbines may be finite because once you reach the critical mass of turbines placed globally, you may affect global temperatures due to reduced wind. To which he should have added that this was an unproven theory.
IronLionZion
(45,446 posts)My purpose in posting this info is that I wouldn't be too quick to dismiss something without studying the consequences.
I grew up with a small wind farm in my hometown. It really does affect weather patterns for rain/snow and the temperature in the immediate vicinity. And they are noisy as hell. Bigger wind farms in the midwest and Texas have much bigger impacts on the immediate vicinity and climate, so it is best for sparsely populated areas. I support wind energy.
philosslayer
(3,076 posts)See post 40. He may be wrong 95% of the time, but on this particular topic his comments are basically correct.
IronLionZion
(45,446 posts)Whenever I see too many people agreeing on a conclusion too quickly, I seek out opposing points of view because I'm a rebel like that.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,002 posts)While it is true that in physics for every action there is a reaction and therefore technically the wind does slow down when it pushes on a a turbine blade, ... to insist on that point, especially without explaining it, and without discussing the context, is to miss the boat.
The amount the wind slows down is little, and even then only if there is a concentration of wind devices.
In the wider context of the world's weather and climate, the effect is negligible and possibly so small to be not measurable. There is so much wind all over the world that wind farms are not a factor.
As to whether slower wind makes the world infinitesimally warmer, I don't know, but on the face of it a case could be made for both sides. Faster wind could be more efficient transporting solar heated air around the world. On the other hand, at least locally, slightly more stagnant air may heat up more.
Once again, the effect will be negligible and perhaps too small to measure.
On the other hand, standing on the technicality gives aid and comfort to the oligarchy who are more concerned about their profits than our children and grandchildren.
F4lconF16
(3,747 posts)IronLionZion
(45,446 posts)Liberals think globally, but conservatives are thinking it may affect the breeze in their 7th beachside vacation home
egduj
(805 posts)mountain grammy
(26,621 posts)liberal N proud
(60,334 posts)Who does he represent? Not the people of Texas, just the Oil Companies of Texas.
AverageJoe90
(10,745 posts)It could be denial, too: just look at how much solar power has advanced in just this past 5 years alone. The deniers are scared of losing their paymasters' profits and they know it.....
npk
(3,660 posts)A friend of mine has built a device in his backyard that will suck up and collect all the wind. So all you poor bastards in Greenville SC are all going to be screwed once all the wind is gone. Ha Ha take that.
Mrdrboi
(110 posts)How can someone think wind is finite? I feel my brain hurting after reading that.
krakfiend
(202 posts)I live in fort worth, and I see idiots like this everyday. So I'm not surprised someone like joe Barton gets re-elected.
Jamaal510
(10,893 posts)tell him when to gooooo dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb.
Swede Atlanta
(3,596 posts)I haven't had the time to do more exhaustive research and look for peer-reviewed studies into the matter but the concept that wind farms on a massive global scale could affect wind patterns and on some local level also affect temperature is not without some basis.
This is a short article from Popular Science from about a year ago....
http://www.popsci.com/science/article/2013-05/fyi-do-wind-farms-make-it-less-windy
I am not convinced that given the size of the earth and the strength of wind currents globally we are anywhere near having an impact on global wind currents or widely distributed temperatures.
I did find it interesting when I did some Googling that there are some scientists that believe that significant wind farms offshore such as in the Gulf of Mexico could significant weaken hurricanes. Again I am not confident of the science on this and wouldn't quote it but it is interesting.
stage left
(2,962 posts)I don't think we'll have to worry about our supply of hot air while we have guys like Barton around.
YOHABLO
(7,358 posts)father founding
(619 posts)By subscribing to this theory, Joe's head should explode when he farts.
niyad
(113,315 posts)brightened my evening!
JoeyT
(6,785 posts)bkanderson76
(266 posts)dirt between my toes to combine with good common sense, I would tend to go out on a limb in saying it is truly a disturbing fact that people actually voted for this idiot......my two cents
valerief
(53,235 posts)mississippi62
(75 posts)I was shunned by some folks at a little fundamentalist church that I attended back in Texas because of this guy.
In early 90's, he ran against Kay Bailey Hutchison and Bob Krueger for the U.S. Senate seat that was vacated when Lloyd Bentsen became Secretary of the Treasury under Bill Clinton. My homeschooler friends were having wet dreams over Barton. Even in my Rush Limbaugh ditto-head days, I thought that Joe Barton was a wingnut. So I voted for Hutchison. She went on to win the election. Ted Cruz won that seat when Kay retired in 2012.
There were people in the church who would not speak to me afterwards. I don't know why I put up with that crap for so long...
doxydad
(1,363 posts)yawnmaster
(2,812 posts)mc51tc
(219 posts)Texas leads the nation in wind energy proving Mr. Barton`s statement is untrue!
http://res.dallasnews.com/interactives/2014_April/windprojects/
http://bizbeatblog.dallasnews.com/2014/03/texas-wind-farms-break-generation-record.html/
http://www.dallasnews.com/business/energy/20131105-microsoft-enters-20-year-deal-to-buy-power-from-texas-wind-farm.ece
http://bizbeatblog.dallasnews.com/2014/01/google-invests-75-million-in-texas-wind.html/
http://www.dallasnews.com/business/energy/20131227-scientists-in-panhandle-try-to-build-a-better-wind-turbine.ece
All these numerous wind energy articles prove that Texas is leading the way for wind energy!
yuiyoshida
(41,831 posts)I have two words for this guy... baka tare! Stupid Idiot (Japanese)
bleedinglib
(212 posts)I grew up on a farm in southern Missouri & I remember we had 2 wind mills. well, we had to tear one down because there wasn't enough wind too turn them both!!
Barton might be from Missouri?
If we just harness the BS wind coming from the House of Reps. it would provide enough power for NY City.
vkkv
(3,384 posts)since he's the chair of the Energy Committee, right?
Wow.. just wow.. No wonder this country has problems... thank you ignorant Republicans.