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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsJimmy Carter To Obama: Don't Approve Keystone XL Pipeline
"You stand on the brink of making a choice that will define your legacy on one of the greatest challenges humanity has ever faced -- climate change," reads the letter from Carter and nine other Nobel Peace Prize recipients. "As you deliberate the Keystone XL tar sands pipeline, you are poised to make a decision that will signal either a dangerous commitment to the status quo, or bold leadership that will inspire millions counting on you to do the right thing for our shared climate."
Carter is the first former president to announce his opposition to the controversial pipeline. Both George W. Bush and Bill Clinton have said they would support construction, according to the Washington Post.
The Keystone pipeline would export crude oil from tar sands in Canada to American refineries.
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G_j
(40,367 posts)"first former president to announce his opposition"
MindMover
(5,016 posts)You are definitely a man before his time ... Love you ...
lostincalifornia
(3,639 posts)Power, and actually led the push for deregulation of the airline industry
Funny how time and experience sometimes changes ones perspective
Jackpine Radical
(45,274 posts)as a response to the oil embargo.
lostincalifornia
(3,639 posts)views have changed since then
I remember him at TMI
Jackpine Radical
(45,274 posts)I'm not among them, but still
lostincalifornia
(3,639 posts)exist. I also agree that Carter was the first President to also push other alternative forms of energy as solar, wind, energy efficient cars, etc. One of the most outrageous things that the pseudo god ray gun did was remove the solar panels that President Carter had put on the white house.
Reminds me of the same mentality as george bush junior going to Detroit and making fun of hybrid cars.
I think Obama's constant reference to reagan are stupid. I suspect he feels that by doing that he would be able to unite right wingers, but as most of us realized after the first several months of his presidency, that wasn't going to happen.
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Rickover knew that his nuclear navy had to be fool proof or he wouldnt get it. His program has lots of safeguards but is expensive. Commercial plants have a profit motive which can lead to the disastrous plant design that was used in Fukushima.
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)sometime forget that
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)personally for being in charge of his nuclear submarines.
merrily
(45,251 posts)I don't know that his position has changed. He thought it was extremely dangerous for us to be so very dependent on Middle Eastern oil; and we should do whatever it took to get off it. I think his position on nuclear power has to be seen in that context, as does his urging Americans to lower their thermostats and his putting solar panels on the roof of the White House.
otherone
(973 posts)Mdmc
Jackpine Radical
(45,274 posts)Obama never asked him for advice on this or anything else.
Carter is the only living ex-President Obama has never consulted. This is a fact that bothers me quite a lot whenever I think of it.
That and the fact that Reagan was one of Obama's role models.
"I dont want to present myself as some sort of singular figure. I think part of whats different are the times. I do think that, for example, the 1980 election was different. I think Ronald Reagan changed the trajectory of America in a way that, you know, Richard Nixon did not and in a way that Bill Clinton did not.
"He put us on a fundamentally different path because the country was ready for it. I think they felt like, you know, with all the excesses of the 60s and the 70s, and government had grown and grown, but there wasn't much sense of accountability in terms of how it was operating. I think people just tapped into -- he tapped into what people were already feeling, which was, we want clarity, we want optimism, we want a return to that sense of dynamism and entrepreneurship that had been missing."
lostincalifornia
(3,639 posts)was Obama's role model", that is not exactly correct either.
Raygun is one of the most over-rated presidents, whose many actions were disciple, and he was never held accountable for those actions, by the American people. Especially, in regard to the Iran Contra outrage, the start of the deregulation of the financial system, and destruction of the unions. The irony is that it was labor that actually elected reagan, and have been paying the consequences for that ever since
merrily
(45,251 posts)Ten Best Presidents in US History, along with Washington, Lincoln, and the two Roosevelts. Everyone of the 10 best US Presidents ever would be a role model for a President.
As you probably know, Obama also said that, in the 80's, his own political views (Obama's) would have been classed as "moderate Republican." Who was the quintessential Republican of the 1980s?
Deregulation started under Nixon and was continued by every President after him, Democratic and Republican. For his part, Carter and a (Democratic Congress) made the bankruptcy act much more big business friendly, and Carter bragged on how much deregulating he had done, though he disagreed with Clinton's. (Carter said "I will not call his name," but, from the context, repeal of Glass Steagall was the event being referred to.)
lostincalifornia
(3,639 posts)an energy policy. Regardless, most of the real deregulation, in my view started with reagan. The S&L crisis was a direct result of that garbage, and then the air traffic controller strike was the first blow against labor.
I thought the actual repeal of Glass Steagall was under Bill Clinton. Regardless, I suspect Jimmy Carter would not hold a lot of the same positions he did when he was President as he does not. For that matter Barry Goldwater after he retired become much more moderate, and on some issues, progressive, than when he was running for president.
Yes, I am aware of that statement from Obama regarding his own classification, but I suspect that was more to gain acceptance by moderates. Same thing with Obama and Hillary putting Reagan on their list of best Presidents. Absolutely ridiculous, and feeds in to the myth of reagan, who was not even a mediocre president in my view
merrily
(45,251 posts)As I said, Carter would not name Clinton or Gramm, Leach, Bliley, but it was clear from the question the interviewer had asked Carter that Carter was referring to repeal of Glass Steagall under Cllinton.
Really Nixon. I didn't realize that.
Yes, de-regulation began with Nixon, then Ford, then Carter, then Reagan, then Clinton, then Obama. Not exclusively banking deregulation, though. From the standpoint of a consumer/taxpayer/average American, deregulation to benefit big business and lying right wing broadcasters at the expense of the rest of us is the issue. Whether you are a banker, or a broker, or a company selling food full of carcinogens, rodent feces and other things I should not being paying for, let alone ingesting.
So, from my perspective, deregulating of the airlines, FCC, the antitrust wing of the D of J, etc. and changing the Bankruptcy Act is all mostly crap. And, even without deregulation, the agencies that were birthed to protect the general public devolved de facto to little more than enablers of big business. Of course, some of that always went on, but, at this point, it's a damned joke.
Regardless, most of the real deregulation, in my view started with reagan.
I don't mean to sound flip, but I am not sure how to say this in a way that doesn't sound flip, at least on a message board: It's a matter of historical fact, not a matter of anyone's opinion. And even if deregulation did start with Reagan--the S & L debacle, bad as it was, was minor compared to what repeal of Glass Steagall resulted in worldwide. Greece, Spain, the US, ye gods.
I don't really see any reason besides partisanship to focus on Reagan and the S & L more than on Clinton and repeal of Glass Steagall. True, Congress passed it, but Clinton urged them to. If I recall correctly, the vote for repeal was overwhelming in the house, but no Democratic Senator voted for repeal. So, even if you assume that Democrats would vote in an override by a Democratic President exactly as they did first time, repeal would not have survived Clinton's veto.
Yes, I am aware of that statement from Obama regarding his own classification, but I suspect that was more to gain acceptance by moderates. Same thing with Obama and Hillary putting Reagan on their list of best Presidents.
If they were lying, neither deserved the Oval Office, IMO. But, I don't think either of them was lying.
lostincalifornia
(3,639 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)For whatever it's worth, if you are interested, there is a relatively concise wiki on deregulation and the interview where Carter brags about de-regulating airlines and other things should come up in a google search. And, the Bankruptcy Code of 1978, passed by a Democratic Congress to replace the Bankruptcy Act of 1934 that FDR, Joe Kennedy and others produced has the clue right in the name. It did away with safeguards against officers of a publicly held company milking it and then filing for reorganization as a way of freezing out stockholders or making their interest less valuable--something in which banks might cooperate.
lostincalifornia
(3,639 posts)Jackpine Radical
(45,274 posts)I was also being sarcastic, but it was directed toward Obama.
And everything you say about Reagan is absolutely true--except that I'm not quite sure what you meant with "whose many actions were disciple." Despicable?
Yeah, the "Reagan Democrats" dug their own grave. Too bad they pulled the rest of us in with them.
lostincalifornia
(3,639 posts)jtuck004
(15,882 posts)excess food to hungry people, and housing to homeless people and unemployment for people without jobs...
More important to cut the deficit. Like bombing Vietnamese villages to save them.
G_j
(40,367 posts)and wise human beings like Carter.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)Aimed at Obama's statement, not you..
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)quinnox
(20,600 posts)honestly, Carter has been remarkable in his twilight years.
lostincalifornia
(3,639 posts)Joe Shlabotnik
(5,604 posts)progressoid
(49,991 posts)Silly ex-President with your morals and ideals.
And people wonder why the President hasn't asked you for any advice.
Rod Beauvex
(564 posts)Now if only we can get him to denounce the TPP.
Zen Democrat
(5,901 posts)Jimmy Carter is just about the best American I can think of. A GREAT man.
merrily
(45,251 posts)A lesser President would have killed and maimed and displaced Iranians and Americans and not gotten back a single hostage alive, anyway. Apparently, the guy with the funny hair who used to be on Nightline for some reason thought the latter would be the preferable alternative Idiot.
cprise
(8,445 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)ALL WE WANT TO DO IS MAKE A LITTLE MONEY!
LW1977
(1,235 posts)WillyT
(72,631 posts)RoverSuswade
(641 posts)causing a major spill the republicans will forever tag him as the president that caused the biggest oil disaster in US history. And you know they will!
woodsprite
(11,915 posts)blue14u
(575 posts)that the "THINK TANKS" don't already have a plan in place to
make sure he gets caught with a "ruptured" pipeline...
Good forward thinking RoverSuswade!!!!
The RWers want a fast track on the pipeline and the TTP.... We
need to be a step ahead of the GOP in all things.
#VOTE2014.
merrily
(45,251 posts)They're all "drill, baby, drill," unless a Democrat decides to drill. That's just Republican schtick. It's all they've got.
What I am very unhappy to see to see is Democrats being appalled by "drill, baby, drill, unless a Democrat decides to drill.
I used to think we were better than that.
marions ghost
(19,841 posts)BlueJac
(7,838 posts)Solar panels on the White House was ahead of the game back then, and if we would of stay in that directions who knows where we would be now. I bet, way better off than we are now. This country is short sighted if that good. Bought and paid for is more like it. We are allowing the destruction of this country for the lack of vision of a cleaner future. Then again, bought and paid for!
MisterP
(23,730 posts)Blue Owl
(50,383 posts)Listen to Jimmy!
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)If President Obama doesn't approve KXL the righties® will never say another nice thing about him. They will call him names and behave disrespectful toward him.
99Forever
(14,524 posts)Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)Divernan
(15,480 posts)He is a unique and shining example of a president who was not bought off before, during or after his presidency by corporate campaign "donations", lobbyists, bribes, board memberships, or $1/2 million dollar "speaking fees", i.e, post-elective office payoffs. Tragically for our country, that makes him one of a kind.