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(23,926 posts)for sharing this.
Iterate
(3,020 posts)for right this minute...many lectures, talks, interviews, and university courses recorded and on youtube or fora.tv.
Search and start with any of them because you'll want to see them all anyway and won't regret a minute if it.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)Hekate
(90,705 posts)johnp3907
(3,731 posts)I'd like to read more on this.
redqueen
(115,103 posts)And here's a YouTube video (which I haven't watched)
johnp3907
(3,731 posts)Interesting Guy.
And this is just about the best book cover ever:
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Crunchy Frog
(26,587 posts)Maybe a necessary component is offing all the aggressive males. (Not advocating, just wondering.)
Nay
(12,051 posts)to die. How are we to figure out a marker for those guys? Just testosterone level? I remember an old science fiction story that had the same theme, and the same results (nicer people, nicer societies). Of course, it's impossible to do this in humans - talk about a genocide.
Crunchy Frog
(26,587 posts)So don't take anything I say too seriously.
Nay
(12,051 posts)destroy the alpha in alpha males without killing them.....one can only dream.
Shankapotomus
(4,840 posts)is for women not to allow them any voluntary chance to reproduce their genes. Then, they just die off.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)with women and our evolution
so helpless forever cause evolution says so.
freedom, and financial independence thru law and booooooom, we take off on this evolutional path of independence and hey, freedom,. 4 decades? we are no longer stupid, incompetent, incapable, weak, emotional.
amazing huh.
lol
genie cannot go back in the bottle. AND..... thank you for directing me. this is a bookmark. i just learned how to do that.
Squinch
(50,950 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)i am kicking.
justhanginon
(3,290 posts)seaglass
(8,171 posts)MadrasT
(7,237 posts)I feel sad for the ones who died.
But fascinating. Thanks, rq.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Starting with, don't eat meat out of the garbage can.
nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)isn't necessarily inevitable, is still an important one. Especially when you have guys (and a few women) going around implying that rape, or violence in general, is simple biology and nothing can be done about it.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)observer would consider simply abhorrent and morally reprehensible.
I think anyone who looks at the regular behaviors of apes or other non-human monkeys and suggests we can't do better, is seriously selling the human race short.
nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)only consists of those behaviors which back up their thesis, so they tend not to mention the rather egalitarian bonobos.
LadyHawkAZ
(6,199 posts)It just rarely goes well when they are. Unfortunately for the poor bonobos, who have such beneficial lessons to teach, the method behind their peaceful, sociable communities is one people find objectionable: bonobos like to fuck, everyone everyway and often, hetero and homo, for breeding and for the fun of it.
That's why two months ago, humans were absolutely positively not apes, don't look like apes, don't act like apes, none of our behaviors can be linked to apes, and are especially nothing like bonobos; and today, we would have world peace if we just killed off part of our male population, exactly like the baboons.
That's modern human society for ya. Depressing, isn't it?
nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)And I don't think anyone is suggesting "killing off part of our male population." Just that certain behaviors we may think of as innate, aren't necessarily so.
LadyHawkAZ
(6,199 posts)with the caveat that it was not on DU: forcibly reduce the male population to 10% and maintain it at that level. That's why stuff like this gives me the creeps.
nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)Obviously at least a few do, though, and that's a few too many.
LadyHawkAZ
(6,199 posts)Even a few is a few too many.
The Magistrate
(95,247 posts)Hard to put a finger on it quite, but....
nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)particularly violent males from breeding? Such as free vasectomies?
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)for particular violence, and as such they probably wouldn't be "breeding" under normal circumstances, anyway.
However, most sane people also find eugenics- even the 'nonviolent' stripe- inherently distasteful for a bunch of obvious reasons, starting with the historical ones.
And isn't the suggestion that violence is merely or mostly physiologically or hormonally driven another similar variant to simplistic evo-psych arguments around behavior?
nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)redqueen
(115,103 posts)But that's hardly surprising to anyone here.
The program for action is to show, once again, using even more evidence, that comments like "You can't stop that! It's human nature!" are, of course, utter and complete bullshit.
And it is also to show, once again, how the desperate attempts to rationalize gender role nonsense using laughable evo-psych theories are also utter and complete bullshit.
The Magistrate
(95,247 posts)I have read this account previously, and consider it makes hash of the proposition that baboon behavior is intrinsic, instinctual, something built into the breed. And by extension, it similarly undermines a great deal of tosh about roles and structures in human society being built in, rather than created. Granted, a thing once created and then nurtured long and carefully, can build up quite a head of steam, and come to seem natural and inevitable, and impose itself as such on most all born into its confines. But that is far from actually being natural and self-sustaining. Cultures are artifacts, created things, and culture shapes human behavior far more than anything biology can manage.
Nonetheless, it is instructive how this came to be demonstrated so clearly, namely something which selectively killed off the most domineering, greedy, and aggressive males within a group, and left the rest to get on about their lives. Their 'one-percent', as it were, was removed. Were one to transpose the parable onto working human societies, elimination of the rich, of those empowered to predate on their fellows, to bully them and subjugate them, one is left with the ideal revolution aims for, and a feeling that it might be possible.
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)Explains the tainted meat appearing on Wall Street sidewalks...
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)really, it's uncanny.
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)entertaining and connects well with a crowd, and drops enough info that he's worth going to hear. It was paid for by Eastern Wash Univ, and filled a theater of about 1600 seats, plus a few people standing, in our city of a few hundred thousand people.
Sound system was ok, but I can understand him better and prefer listening on youtube. Or in the bathroom of the Fox theater - sound is very, very good in there, and it's not near as crowded as the regular seating.
They did record it, so perhaps it will appear there.