until females have to legally register when they turn 18 like young males we might as well be chasing our own tail and that would be far more productive.

Having escaped the plantation (marriage) I am not interested in going back even if the divorce/child custody laws were changed in the Western world. That is what makes a MGTOW different from an MRA.

MRA's believe they can change things through the legal system while MGTOW decide to opt out of the matrix and take the red pill.

me the feminist that you portrayed. that null and voids your argument.

opt out. no one is stopping you. i doubt anyone even cares. choice dude.

...the draft, like voting, and the jury duty is part of being a citizen of this Republic. It is the core symbiotic relationship between the individual and the state. The state grants different privileges and rights (there is a difference between rights and privileges for those wondering) to its citizens in return for service to the state. We can debate the level of involvement one must partake to be considered a citizen and and how power the states should have vs the individual but the fabric of an ordered society is this relationship..

I have already opted out despite having a college degree. But younger males are choosing not to go to college altogether avoiding the crushing student debt. Instead they are going in a different direction in this two tiered economy created by the 1%. People used to use a white centered point of view of judging black males but now we are starting to realize that they are opting out of the system is a form of protest. They are making a rational choice that seemed alien to use at the time but now we are starting to see why they are making such choices.

a probe up our women and girls getting a legal medical procedure for the sole purpose to cause them pain, women get paid less, do more of the work, are denigrated, humiliated, objectified, hypersexualized, pornified, we can not get an ERA passed

and you have a problem with a draft card.

women receive a lot of grief when they choose to not marry or have children and men face the same social pressure as well.

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The reddit crowd is part of the MGTOW movement more closer to PUA.

They call themselves red pillers but they are purple in that they still seek validation and approval of females to fuel their own self worth. My self worth is fueled for example by helping my neighbors not how many women I can score with. The purple pillers are still stuck in the blue pill world but still have some red pill tendencies.

The MGTOW website is a new website fairly recently added.

many of my peers male and female are losing interest in marriage and having children all together. It is something I think about often.

They're not even interested in hooking up, the pill and a condom protecting them from offspring and disease.

However, it's not yet a problem here, so turn in your Viagra and be our guest.

Also had a rather unpleasant marriage. I haven't decided to make it into some sort of political statement or movement. I realize I have attachment issues related to how I was raised and bad choices I myself have made in life.

Rilly...

from feminists themselves rather than MRA sites like MGTOW. If you read HOF much, you would see we frequently argue against patriarchy's oppression of men and members there give a lot of thought about how to raise their sons to not feel encumbered by patriarchal notions of manhood.

As for selective service, I have no problem with women's registering. In fact, I think national service of some kind should be compulsory for all Americans. I suspect, however, you will ignore these comments since you have made a habit of ignoring what I and other feminists have written in the past. That might explain your misapprehension on these subjects. It is difficult to know what feminists argue when you don't listen to them.

but, mostly people argue no one should sign the cards/everyone should sign the cards.

wow. problem solved.

I lead a peaceful life not a militant one.

I am no Achilles. I rather grow old than seek glory and die young.

Does this mean you are a vegetarian, you only eat eggs that are boiled and dyed or you are trying to become a cow?

This post baffles me.

than I was when I started reading this thread.

I'll just get out of it now.

I do not mean any disrespect. You are free to choose your life as anyone does, and I hope that you have blessings in your chosen path.

I think there are worse definitions of "being a man" than autonomy; exercising the right to do as you choose.