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Raven

(13,904 posts)
Wed Mar 28, 2012, 09:08 AM Mar 2012

Will these Justices consider the human tragedies

that will take place if they vote to nullify HCR? The impact on folks with pre-existing conditions, the kids on their parents' insurance policies, the older folks getting a break on prescription costs?

Do the Justices consider those things before they make their decision?

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Will these Justices consider the human tragedies (Original Post) Raven Mar 2012 OP
You do understand that this only affects the aptal Mar 2012 #1
I do but it's pretty clear Raven Mar 2012 #4
Yeah, I really didn't understand that until I heard aptal Mar 2012 #20
You do remember Citizens United, don't you? atreides1 Mar 2012 #7
Except that... regnaD kciN Mar 2012 #9
They'll probably mostly consider the law el_bryanto Mar 2012 #2
Most, probably, but... Wait Wut Mar 2012 #3
Ha liberal N proud Mar 2012 #8
Okay... Wait Wut Mar 2012 #18
not supposed to Peregrine Mar 2012 #5
Not a chance. Bonhomme Richard Mar 2012 #6
We are working with an argument that is a little weak, IMO. CTyankee Mar 2012 #11
I think it inherent that those justices that give a damn would--as far as the law allows... hlthe2b Mar 2012 #10
One thing I've noticed about Reeps and rightwingers. ananda Mar 2012 #12
3 of those justices were part of The Filthy Fascist Five that favored the Failure Fuhrer in 2000. HughBeaumont Mar 2012 #13
"The Filthy Fascist Five" would make a great name for a rock band. Initech Mar 2012 #15
Only if it's a power trio. HughBeaumont Mar 2012 #16
And "Failed Fuhrer" could the debut album. Initech Mar 2012 #17
No - there's only one thing that matters to them: $$$$$$ Initech Mar 2012 #14
So they'll rule in favor of the mandate then? hughee99 Mar 2012 #19
Yep. That is the situation exactly CBGLuthier Mar 2012 #21

aptal

(304 posts)
20. Yeah, I really didn't understand that until I heard
Thu Mar 29, 2012, 08:48 AM
Mar 2012

somethings on the news this morning. Especially that this mandate nearly pays for the whole bill.

atreides1

(16,094 posts)
7. You do remember Citizens United, don't you?
Wed Mar 28, 2012, 09:22 AM
Mar 2012

What started out as a case about a movie that was in reality a political film, ended up opening our election process to the highest bidder...with few restrictions.

I wouldn't put it past the 4+1 to decide that the entire law is unconstitutional...but we'll have to wait and see what is decided.

regnaD kciN

(26,045 posts)
9. Except that...
Wed Mar 28, 2012, 09:33 AM
Mar 2012

...both parties have agreed that the ban on pre-existing conditions is tied to the mandate -- if one is thrown out, the other goes, too. And, without that ban, the rest of ACA is merely rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic, as, no matter how nice the rest of the act's provisions may seem, insurance companies would still have the right to end anyone's coverage if they get sick -- which is the heart of the problem. Give them that right, and we're still right we are now.

el_bryanto

(11,804 posts)
2. They'll probably mostly consider the law
Wed Mar 28, 2012, 09:11 AM
Mar 2012

Rather than those sorts of emotional tangents. I hope anyway.

Bryant

Wait Wut

(8,492 posts)
3. Most, probably, but...
Wed Mar 28, 2012, 09:15 AM
Mar 2012

...by law they can't let their personal opinions/emotions affect their judgment.

Wait Wut

(8,492 posts)
18. Okay...
Wed Mar 28, 2012, 01:16 PM
Mar 2012

...I should have said "shouldn't". This country would be in worse trouble if all judges ruled on their emotions instead of the law. I'm sure some do.

Bonhomme Richard

(9,000 posts)
6. Not a chance.
Wed Mar 28, 2012, 09:20 AM
Mar 2012

Their decision will be based solely on the law. That is, whatever legal precedent they can find to justify their personal political mindset.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
11. We are working with an argument that is a little weak, IMO.
Wed Mar 28, 2012, 09:45 AM
Mar 2012

The fact that health care is "different" when it comes to the Constitution seems tenuous. Which is why I see again and again that our Constitution, far from being the shining beacon of law and justice, just has too many strictures and is too inflexible to render it useful in many respects. I am not talking about the Bill of Rights (except that I think it should be expanded), but more about the Commerce section and what the wrangle on the health care mandate is all about. Our Constitution is pretty creaky in many regards...no wonder justice Ginsburg recommended to the insurgents in Egypt last year that they not look to our Constitution but to that of South Africa for a more workable model...and boy did she get shit for that!

hlthe2b

(102,410 posts)
10. I think it inherent that those justices that give a damn would--as far as the law allows...
Wed Mar 28, 2012, 09:33 AM
Mar 2012

Last edited Wed Mar 28, 2012, 11:07 AM - Edit history (1)

Unfortunately, Scalia, Thomas, Alito, and Roberts have already shown they don't give a damn about the repercussions so long as it advances their RW Federalist agenda. Kennedy might. He did end his questioning on the mandate with a comment/acknowledgement that health care was "different", so it is hopeful.

ananda

(28,879 posts)
12. One thing I've noticed about Reeps and rightwingers.
Wed Mar 28, 2012, 09:46 AM
Mar 2012

They seem to have a serious insensitivity to those who are harmed
by their policies, and a very strong sensitivity to their own welfare.

HughBeaumont

(24,461 posts)
13. 3 of those justices were part of The Filthy Fascist Five that favored the Failure Fuhrer in 2000.
Wed Mar 28, 2012, 09:48 AM
Mar 2012

Alliteration aside, I think that answers your question.

Initech

(100,107 posts)
14. No - there's only one thing that matters to them: $$$$$$
Wed Mar 28, 2012, 11:46 AM
Mar 2012

No amount of humanity will match our corporate masters' uncontrollable lust for profit.

hughee99

(16,113 posts)
19. So they'll rule in favor of the mandate then?
Wed Mar 28, 2012, 01:18 PM
Mar 2012

Since that's what would seem to make the most money for our corporate masters, right?

CBGLuthier

(12,723 posts)
21. Yep. That is the situation exactly
Thu Mar 29, 2012, 08:53 AM
Mar 2012

But I still think they will find it unconstitutional. Single payer plus tax is OK but making me give money to a fucking corporation is bullshit and unconstitutional.

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