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Cyrano

(15,041 posts)
Thu Apr 17, 2014, 10:17 PM Apr 2014

Rachel, Rachel, please, please stop already

Last edited Thu Apr 17, 2014, 11:18 PM - Edit history (3)

I love Rachel Maddow. I’d claim to be her biggest fan, except that about a million other people make the same claim. Occasionally, her creative, roundabout lead in to a story can go on a bit long, but tonight she totally ran amok with that lead in.

She started out talking about the names of cars and about how many car names have become numbers, or numbers and a combination of letters, or some such. She then moved on to Joe Biden’s old car and about how someone bought it, overpaid for it, and how presidents and VPs can’t drive a car except on a “make believe ranch” ala George Bush and his pickup truck.

From there she went on to how Joe Biden ran in 2008 on his home state ballot as a VP candidate, while rerunning for his senate seat at the same time. She also told us about other pols that did the same thing. This eventually led to Rand Paul and how he couldn’t run for both prez and senator at the same time on the same ballot in Kentucky because Kentucky law doesn’t allow it.

In effect, Rachel used up the first 25 minutes of her show tonight going through what I just summed up, and then getting to her first guest, a Republican woman, to discuss Rand Paul. What that discussion was about, I have no idea because at that point, I was so pissed off by the unending lead in that I just didn’t give a damn and I turned off the TV.

Rachel, if you're reading this, or having someone tell you about it, or even just hearing about it in passing, please, please don’t do this anymore. I know you have to fill up an hour (actually about 40 some odd minutes) every night, but don’t do it this way.

I love your creativity. I love your sense of humor. I love the clever prologues you use. I love your intelligence. I love you on my TV screen. But I really didn’t love tonight’s stream of consciousness to nowhere.

Please, please, if you’re going to use a clever lead in, get to the point faster. Twenty five minutes with zero payoff was beyond disconcerting. It just plain pissed me off.

Nonetheless, I still love you or I wouldn’t be sitting here asking you to please not do that anymore.

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Rachel, Rachel, please, please stop already (Original Post) Cyrano Apr 2014 OP
Do you remember when Keith would say: RoverSuswade Apr 2014 #1
Rachel is MSNBC's number one asset Cyrano Apr 2014 #4
LOL, gullible a little? nt Logical Apr 2014 #6
I hope Keith someday writes a book about his relationships with RoverSuswade Apr 2014 #9
Me too. I would buy it. nt Logical Apr 2014 #10
I think he was on the air until early 2011 (eom) StevieM Apr 2014 #55
. Jesus Malverde Apr 2014 #38
They might be. She also might be babylonsister Apr 2014 #51
It was extremely LAME. xxqqqzme Apr 2014 #2
I don't watch Rachel any more. grasswire Apr 2014 #3
+ 1 russspeakeasy Apr 2014 #11
+2 COLGATE4 Apr 2014 #41
+3 NOVA_Dem Apr 2014 #52
Stopped watching also for the same reason. We need people to stand up for issues. Keith did sabrina 1 Apr 2014 #58
I don't watch any of those programs anymore. Hassin Bin Sober Apr 2014 #30
same here Supersedeas Apr 2014 #35
Her set ups have gotten longer but I still like them uponit7771 Apr 2014 #5
I find them extremely fascinating adieu Apr 2014 #19
Most symphonies end in the same key in which they began. pangaia Apr 2014 #26
Way too long of setups. nt Logical Apr 2014 #7
I guess I moved on from MSNBC in general long ago... MrMickeysMom Apr 2014 #8
Where did you go? oldandhappy Apr 2014 #15
For news, I go to Al Jazeera and France 24 on my cable. amandabeech Apr 2014 #18
Thank you oldandhappy Apr 2014 #63
You're welcome! amandabeech Apr 2014 #65
For discussion week end round table, BBC America, for news, Al Jazeera... MrMickeysMom Apr 2014 #56
Thank you oldandhappy Apr 2014 #62
Rachel is the best we've got, imo. Control-Z Apr 2014 #12
There was a time where your post would have been trashed to Laura PourMeADrink Apr 2014 #13
When I had cable or satellite I enjoyed her at first 2banon Apr 2014 #14
She and Keith Armadotrasgo Apr 2014 #16
Umm, Rachel doesn't "monologue ... about nothing." Cyrano Apr 2014 #17
She may have a point, however, if she rambles too avebury Apr 2014 #28
My dad & I were talking about Rachel Iwillnevergiveup Apr 2014 #20
Rachel it sucked MFM008 Apr 2014 #21
At least it's not that bridge again Retrograde Apr 2014 #22
Okay, well I'll tell you what the Rand Paul thing is. Kentucky is trying to change the law so he okaawhatever Apr 2014 #23
I saw something on line this morning avebury Apr 2014 #29
good. They have a Democratic Governor and the Dem Sec of State is running against Mitch okaawhatever Apr 2014 #48
i disagree, her set ups are one of the best things about her show JI7 Apr 2014 #24
Later in the show, she apologized for that... Rhiannon12866 Apr 2014 #25
And I was gratified that she took that typically classy action. Paladin Apr 2014 #42
she reminds me of Columbo Enrique Apr 2014 #27
Yeah I turned it off, too and I was watching it online. mucifer Apr 2014 #31
I enjoyed it and thought it was wonderful! mfcorey1 Apr 2014 #32
That's just a symptom of the real problem, which is she has to fill lots of time Bluenorthwest Apr 2014 #33
That's about it. As long as she has ratings, she can blather on... TreasonousBastard Apr 2014 #39
Jumped over to "Robin Hood, Men in Tights", returned to see her vile guest, and went back to Mel. nt TheBlackAdder Apr 2014 #34
Anticip...... Benton D Struckcheon Apr 2014 #36
I was thinking "Rachel-- SHUT UP" when... TreasonousBastard Apr 2014 #37
Actually saw her twice this week after years & yeah seems like interminable mock trials UTUSN Apr 2014 #40
MSNBC really messed up letting Martin Bashir go. Rachel is nothing like she was on Air America. nt Snotcicles Apr 2014 #43
I miss Martin as well flamingdem Apr 2014 #45
Yep he is a class act. And that crap with Palin was way out of context, like all else. nt Snotcicles Apr 2014 #46
Success leading to indulgence? flamingdem Apr 2014 #44
I Agree Liberal_Dog Apr 2014 #47
i hear you barbtries Apr 2014 #49
I loved that lead in.. Motown_Johnny Apr 2014 #50
LOL, maybe you need a lot of setup to understand stuff! nt Logical Apr 2014 #53
No, it was a separate story. Motown_Johnny Apr 2014 #60
What, you'd rather listen to that rabble-rousing liar? Archae Apr 2014 #54
Ordinarily, I wouldn't respond to a post on a two day old thread Cyrano Apr 2014 #59
Nothing wrong with seeking redemption so long as it's honest. randome Apr 2014 #61
I've stopped watching her specifically due to these childish, long-winded wind-ups she stopbush Apr 2014 #57
Rachel, Rachel, don't go changing to try and please me William Seger Apr 2014 #64

Cyrano

(15,041 posts)
4. Rachel is MSNBC's number one asset
Thu Apr 17, 2014, 10:38 PM
Apr 2014

I doubt very much if the producers are telling her what to cover.

RoverSuswade

(641 posts)
9. I hope Keith someday writes a book about his relationships with
Thu Apr 17, 2014, 10:52 PM
Apr 2014

NBC overlords and why his show was ended back in 2008.

babylonsister

(171,066 posts)
51. They might be. She also might be
Fri Apr 18, 2014, 11:20 PM
Apr 2014

wasting time b/c she can/needed to/wanted to. It's Friday, time for a couple of days off, not to start something. Possibility, but she never shirks a good story.

xxqqqzme

(14,887 posts)
2. It was extremely LAME.
Thu Apr 17, 2014, 10:23 PM
Apr 2014

I often do not tune into her program until about 15 minutes into it because of the labored lead programming. Tonight was a torture test & I went surfing.

NOVA_Dem

(620 posts)
52. +3
Fri Apr 18, 2014, 11:30 PM
Apr 2014

She says the same thing over and over and over. I can't take it. She's so smart but I don't think she would ever take on the Dem establishment the way Donahue or Keith would.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
58. Stopped watching also for the same reason. We need people to stand up for issues. Keith did
Sat Apr 19, 2014, 03:14 AM
Apr 2014

that, I think he got tired. He's now back at his first love, Sports. But he sure was great during the Bush years and didn't hesitate to speak out on the issues no matter who might not like it. In today's America you have to be in one box or the other.

Right or Left.

I prefer Right or Wrong! So did Keith, maybe Rachel does too but she saw what happened to Keith.

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,330 posts)
30. I don't watch any of those programs anymore.
Fri Apr 18, 2014, 08:32 AM
Apr 2014

Yeah, I turned in to one of "those" people. Never thought I would but I did.

I guess I'm not 100% because I will view a youtube video of some juicy stuff posted here.

 

adieu

(1,009 posts)
19. I find them extremely fascinating
Fri Apr 18, 2014, 01:18 AM
Apr 2014

Almost always informative and entertaining and finishes off on a different key, if I were to use a musical analogy. It is very mich listening to a symphony.

oldandhappy

(6,719 posts)
15. Where did you go?
Thu Apr 17, 2014, 11:17 PM
Apr 2014

I ask for information only. Always on the look out for different shows to try. Actually I spend more time with DU than with TV, smile. Thanks.

 

amandabeech

(9,893 posts)
18. For news, I go to Al Jazeera and France 24 on my cable.
Thu Apr 17, 2014, 11:53 PM
Apr 2014

My PBS station has a digital station that shows mostly UK detective shows at night--Inspector George Gently and Foyle's War have been my favorites. Too bad that so few episodes were made of each of them.

 

amandabeech

(9,893 posts)
65. You're welcome!
Wed Apr 23, 2014, 05:08 PM
Apr 2014

I'm replying belatedly because I have been traveling.

I also check the script and sidebar on Bloomberg TV for financial and business news. Sometimes they are faster on the uptake than CNBC, which is a total cheerleader station.

MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
56. For discussion week end round table, BBC America, for news, Al Jazeera...
Sat Apr 19, 2014, 01:21 AM
Apr 2014

But, truthfully, it's always been the newspaper and clips through the internet (Asia Times, Guardian, and here)

Control-Z

(15,682 posts)
12. Rachel is the best we've got, imo.
Thu Apr 17, 2014, 11:10 PM
Apr 2014

I can put up with a show that isn't to my liking every now and then. Since I never actually sit down and watch any political program I can easily ignore sections that don't appeal to me.

I have no complaints about Rachel especially after I've listened to horrible "reading" and stuttering by so many others throughout the day.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
13. There was a time where your post would have been trashed to
Thu Apr 17, 2014, 11:13 PM
Apr 2014

heaven and back.

I have never liked her show. But I am like you - like her - love her - etc.etc.

The verbal eruption is just too much for my body and brain.

It's too bad - because she is brilliant - and many times she zeroes in on things remarkable.

Perhaps she needs a stylst/production consultant - hell - I don't know what the profession
would be to help.

 

2banon

(7,321 posts)
14. When I had cable or satellite I enjoyed her at first
Thu Apr 17, 2014, 11:16 PM
Apr 2014

maybe for about the 1st year, except for the lame cocktail schticks and few other things .. but soon those other things seemed to take up most of her show, and frankly just plain lame. There are times where I'll check in on a vid posted here, and sometimes it was worth watching. Now, I'm careful about what the title/description subject is, and if it seems hyped.. I won't click. Particularly if I see the term "smackdown" or "obliterated" or other over hyped, over used in the subject headings, I will not click.

Seems like there was a lot of "news" and real current events today to cover, why not cover those stories instead of the crap as described here? just bizarre.

 

Armadotrasgo

(28 posts)
16. She and Keith
Thu Apr 17, 2014, 11:20 PM
Apr 2014

make me turn the channel just because of this tendency they both have to monologue endlessly about basically nothing. Now that Keith is back doing sports, I assume he does the same thing, except it's about baseball and nobody can tell.

Cyrano

(15,041 posts)
17. Umm, Rachel doesn't "monologue ... about nothing."
Thu Apr 17, 2014, 11:49 PM
Apr 2014

She usually has a point and a damned good one. She was onto the Chris Chrstie, George Washington Bridge story far ahead of virtually everyone else.

My bitching about tonight's show doesn't mean I intend to "turn the channel." And I hope it doesn't encourage anyone else to do so.

My OP was constructive criticism and nothing more.

If you don't want to watch her, you may be on the wrong channel.

avebury

(10,952 posts)
28. She may have a point, however, if she rambles too
Fri Apr 18, 2014, 08:23 AM
Apr 2014

long it may have the effect of turning people off. Some people are like - Get to the point! If I have to wast too much time waiting for it I am just as likely as the next person to change the channel.

Iwillnevergiveup

(9,298 posts)
20. My dad & I were talking about Rachel
Fri Apr 18, 2014, 01:19 AM
Apr 2014

awhile back, and we both agreed that yes, she's brilliant and digs very, very deep. It's her presentation that makes our eyes glaze over. She deals with so much material, she tends to race through monologs, often repeating herself. And as she's going through her points, she becomes more and more hyped and excitable - tends to become exhausting. Chris Hayes tends to get worked up, too. It's easier for me to watch clips of both of them.

MFM008

(19,814 posts)
21. Rachel it sucked
Fri Apr 18, 2014, 01:32 AM
Apr 2014

please never again. i was damn near suicidal during the first half hour was hoping for Koch or Christie reeming and we get cars and Biden. Sigh , theres always tomorrow.....

Retrograde

(10,137 posts)
22. At least it's not that bridge again
Fri Apr 18, 2014, 01:36 AM
Apr 2014

Yeah, Christie's a low-life, and people need to be reminded of this regularly, but she does go on an on about it.

okaawhatever

(9,462 posts)
23. Okay, well I'll tell you what the Rand Paul thing is. Kentucky is trying to change the law so he
Fri Apr 18, 2014, 01:39 AM
Apr 2014

can run for President without risking losing his Senate seat. I didn't see her show, so there may be even more to it than that, but I read that a couple of weeks ago. Just thought I'd add what I could.

avebury

(10,952 posts)
29. I saw something on line this morning
Fri Apr 18, 2014, 08:24 AM
Apr 2014

that indicated that Kentucky probably won't be able to pass this law.

okaawhatever

(9,462 posts)
48. good. They have a Democratic Governor and the Dem Sec of State is running against Mitch
Fri Apr 18, 2014, 03:02 PM
Apr 2014

McConnell (and is doing very well against him, her name is Alison Lundergran-Grimes) so it may be that the Gov would veto the bill if it did pass. If Alison doesn't beat Mitch she may go for Rand Paul's seat in 2016. Either way I like the dilemma Paul faces.

JI7

(89,250 posts)
24. i disagree, her set ups are one of the best things about her show
Fri Apr 18, 2014, 01:49 AM
Apr 2014

and she is able to do it in a way where it hooks people and keeps them watching . and it stays with people longer this way than if she had just laid out a few statements.

Paladin

(28,262 posts)
42. And I was gratified that she took that typically classy action.
Fri Apr 18, 2014, 11:16 AM
Apr 2014

Hey, she spent 25 minutes on an item that should have been covered in 5 minutes, max. We all make mistakes, and I'm still a huge Rachel fan.

Enrique

(27,461 posts)
27. she reminds me of Columbo
Fri Apr 18, 2014, 08:05 AM
Apr 2014

the murderer would often have to interrupt his irrelevant stories and ask him to please get to the point. My favorite was the guy that said, "You're a nice man, I like you very much, but I'd hate to have to depend on you if I were in a hurry."

mucifer

(23,547 posts)
31. Yeah I turned it off, too and I was watching it online.
Fri Apr 18, 2014, 08:35 AM
Apr 2014

She did say one thing that rang very true. She loves cars.

Oy vey!

But, I still love Rachel and will pick and choose the segments I watch online. I don't have cable.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
33. That's just a symptom of the real problem, which is she has to fill lots of time
Fri Apr 18, 2014, 08:50 AM
Apr 2014

because the budget is largely about her own personal massive salary and thus has no room for pesky details like reporters, staff, location work, better writers, people with enough power to reign in her own wanderings including a producer of equal standing and talent. Murrow had Fred Friendly right there at his desk each night. Rachel has a sack of cash and a certainty that she's the best biscuit in the batch. It gets boring.

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
39. That's about it. As long as she has ratings, she can blather on...
Fri Apr 18, 2014, 10:10 AM
Apr 2014

and cater to her non-news news fans with little actual news.

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
37. I was thinking "Rachel-- SHUT UP" when...
Fri Apr 18, 2014, 10:02 AM
Apr 2014

I watched it in the early AM. And, yes, I had to shut it off after 20 minutes of covering 5 minutes of actual news.

Not earthshaking news, though, just a little piece about running in two spots on the ballot, which hardly anyone gives a rat's ass about and certainly doesn't need a third of the show, starting with a silly bit about car names.

In the 20 minutes of airtime on the CBS news before Letterman I got a lot more useful stuff than I got in that 20 minutes of the sainted Rachel. Having the great gift and luxury of an hour show to do with as you wish should mean more in depth stuff, not more ego and air filling.

UTUSN

(70,700 posts)
40. Actually saw her twice this week after years & yeah seems like interminable mock trials
Fri Apr 18, 2014, 10:26 AM
Apr 2014

First, I've never tuned into anybody who tells us what we want to hear on our, the way the Faux models works for that side. I prefer to monitor the enemy -- to a point: canNOT "take" HANNITY and the rest; CAN monitor O'LOOFAH and LIMBOsevic. So no SCHULZ or SHARPTON, but mostly Tweety because of his frustrating fluctuations over the years. I prefer to fume and see-through the obvious falsities than to have my own views massaged.

Never fell into the self-congratulatory fads for whassisname Keith and MADDOW, with their labyrinthine verbosity, but this week the paucity of what to have on in the background led me to MADDOW, that's how bad the paucity was, and, yes, the interminable "trail" of STEP BY STEP/ SLOWLY I TURN was even worse than I remembered from back when I first sampled her beginning.

Second, the mock trial thing. I went through a half dozen of those things at trainings, and the lawyers putting them on were just so THRILLED with themselves and the process, as were the stooge participant/"actors" - and the whole thing drove me to distraction!1 Is Rachel an attorney, by any chance?

So, yes, I love her and the others on the side of the angels, but (reasons given). Just to note, somebody deflated the Wingnuts' crowing over how their Talk shows succeed where Left doesn't: The Left audience, being younger and more intellectually active, have their OWN MEDIA UNIVERSE -- music, entertainment, minority culture outlets -- therefore are not a kneejerk, locked-in customer base for Talk. It's not a matter of Talent Success.

 

Snotcicles

(9,089 posts)
43. MSNBC really messed up letting Martin Bashir go. Rachel is nothing like she was on Air America. nt
Fri Apr 18, 2014, 11:52 AM
Apr 2014

flamingdem

(39,313 posts)
45. I miss Martin as well
Fri Apr 18, 2014, 12:03 PM
Apr 2014

I wrote to msnbc a few times about him. In the end he was on during the day and didn't have the following of some of the others. What a shame and over Sarah Palin!

flamingdem

(39,313 posts)
44. Success leading to indulgence?
Fri Apr 18, 2014, 12:01 PM
Apr 2014


I agree that last night was nutty, I tuned in and out but didn't see any point until she spoke about Rand Paul. Very ADD.

barbtries

(28,798 posts)
49. i hear you
Fri Apr 18, 2014, 09:47 PM
Apr 2014

i actually wrote to her to complain about how she finished up each segment by saying, "all right," and i don't hear her doing it so much anymore.
the republican apologist and their mutual admiration society was off putting and i do like to watch her for news more than entertainment. and she drives me crazy too with her rhetorical repetitions. i'm like SAY IT!!!

 

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
50. I loved that lead in..
Fri Apr 18, 2014, 11:14 PM
Apr 2014

Maybe you should have your attention deficit disorder dealt with. It wasn't that long a lead and it was very interesting.


The point was that Biden ran for both the Senate and VP at the same time on the same ticket. Rand Paul can't because of a state law in Kentucky. He needs to pick one or the other but can't run for both on the same ticket.

The (D)s in Kentucky won't change the law for him. I think this is a mistake. The Paul Protest Vote that his father cultivated helps to split their party. I think passing the law so that Rand can run for President while he also runs for The Senate would help us.



 

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
60. No, it was a separate story.
Sat Apr 19, 2014, 07:43 AM
Apr 2014

The Veep's old car being sold is not the same story as Kentucky not changing it's law.


Maybe it is you who have trouble understanding.


Cyrano

(15,041 posts)
59. Ordinarily, I wouldn't respond to a post on a two day old thread
Sat Apr 19, 2014, 04:32 AM
Apr 2014

Last edited Sat Apr 19, 2014, 08:10 AM - Edit history (1)

But the ("roubble-rousing liar&quot "Reverend," Al Sharpton? post just totally and absolutely pissed me off.

Al Sharpton has made mistakes in his career (yeah, yeah, "Tawany Bawley," etc.) but he's redeemed himself with his show, his causes and using his celebrity and dollars to back just causes.

I don't question his motives I question your motives.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
61. Nothing wrong with seeking redemption so long as it's honest.
Sat Apr 19, 2014, 07:51 AM
Apr 2014

Sharpton seems honest to me.
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stopbush

(24,396 posts)
57. I've stopped watching her specifically due to these childish, long-winded wind-ups she
Sat Apr 19, 2014, 02:52 AM
Apr 2014

does for her lead story every fucking night. Tune in any night to the first 15 minutes of her show and you'll be treated to this long-winded rut she's worked herself into.

It's a waste of my life.

SNL could do a skit on this, but they usually have only 5 minutes alloted per skit.

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