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Last edited Thu Apr 17, 2014, 11:18 PM - Edit history (3)
I love Rachel Maddow. Id claim to be her biggest fan, except that about a million other people make the same claim. Occasionally, her creative, roundabout lead in to a story can go on a bit long, but tonight she totally ran amok with that lead in.
She started out talking about the names of cars and about how many car names have become numbers, or numbers and a combination of letters, or some such. She then moved on to Joe Bidens old car and about how someone bought it, overpaid for it, and how presidents and VPs cant drive a car except on a make believe ranch ala George Bush and his pickup truck.
From there she went on to how Joe Biden ran in 2008 on his home state ballot as a VP candidate, while rerunning for his senate seat at the same time. She also told us about other pols that did the same thing. This eventually led to Rand Paul and how he couldnt run for both prez and senator at the same time on the same ballot in Kentucky because Kentucky law doesnt allow it.
In effect, Rachel used up the first 25 minutes of her show tonight going through what I just summed up, and then getting to her first guest, a Republican woman, to discuss Rand Paul. What that discussion was about, I have no idea because at that point, I was so pissed off by the unending lead in that I just didnt give a damn and I turned off the TV.
Rachel, if you're reading this, or having someone tell you about it, or even just hearing about it in passing, please, please dont do this anymore. I know you have to fill up an hour (actually about 40 some odd minutes) every night, but dont do it this way.
I love your creativity. I love your sense of humor. I love the clever prologues you use. I love your intelligence. I love you on my TV screen. But I really didnt love tonights stream of consciousness to nowhere.
Please, please, if youre going to use a clever lead in, get to the point faster. Twenty five minutes with zero payoff was beyond disconcerting. It just plain pissed me off.
Nonetheless, I still love you or I wouldnt be sitting here asking you to please not do that anymore.
RoverSuswade
(641 posts)"Here are some stories my producers are making me cover..."
Cyrano
(15,041 posts)I doubt very much if the producers are telling her what to cover.
Logical
(22,457 posts)RoverSuswade
(641 posts)NBC overlords and why his show was ended back in 2008.
Logical
(22,457 posts)StevieM
(10,500 posts)babylonsister
(171,066 posts)wasting time b/c she can/needed to/wanted to. It's Friday, time for a couple of days off, not to start something. Possibility, but she never shirks a good story.
xxqqqzme
(14,887 posts)I often do not tune into her program until about 15 minutes into it because of the labored lead programming. Tonight was a torture test & I went surfing.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)Just can't take it.
russspeakeasy
(6,539 posts)COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)She says the same thing over and over and over. I can't take it. She's so smart but I don't think she would ever take on the Dem establishment the way Donahue or Keith would.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)that, I think he got tired. He's now back at his first love, Sports. But he sure was great during the Bush years and didn't hesitate to speak out on the issues no matter who might not like it. In today's America you have to be in one box or the other.
Right or Left.
I prefer Right or Wrong! So did Keith, maybe Rachel does too but she saw what happened to Keith.
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,330 posts)Yeah, I turned in to one of "those" people. Never thought I would but I did.
I guess I'm not 100% because I will view a youtube video of some juicy stuff posted here.
Supersedeas
(20,630 posts)uponit7771
(90,346 posts)adieu
(1,009 posts)Almost always informative and entertaining and finishes off on a different key, if I were to use a musical analogy. It is very mich listening to a symphony.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)But I get your drift...
Logical
(22,457 posts)MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)and thus, her show
oldandhappy
(6,719 posts)I ask for information only. Always on the look out for different shows to try. Actually I spend more time with DU than with TV, smile. Thanks.
amandabeech
(9,893 posts)My PBS station has a digital station that shows mostly UK detective shows at night--Inspector George Gently and Foyle's War have been my favorites. Too bad that so few episodes were made of each of them.
oldandhappy
(6,719 posts)I have written this down and will spend some time looking.
amandabeech
(9,893 posts)I'm replying belatedly because I have been traveling.
I also check the script and sidebar on Bloomberg TV for financial and business news. Sometimes they are faster on the uptake than CNBC, which is a total cheerleader station.
MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)But, truthfully, it's always been the newspaper and clips through the internet (Asia Times, Guardian, and here)
oldandhappy
(6,719 posts)I have written this down and will go exploring.
Control-Z
(15,682 posts)I can put up with a show that isn't to my liking every now and then. Since I never actually sit down and watch any political program I can easily ignore sections that don't appeal to me.
I have no complaints about Rachel especially after I've listened to horrible "reading" and stuttering by so many others throughout the day.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)heaven and back.
I have never liked her show. But I am like you - like her - love her - etc.etc.
The verbal eruption is just too much for my body and brain.
It's too bad - because she is brilliant - and many times she zeroes in on things remarkable.
Perhaps she needs a stylst/production consultant - hell - I don't know what the profession
would be to help.
2banon
(7,321 posts)maybe for about the 1st year, except for the lame cocktail schticks and few other things .. but soon those other things seemed to take up most of her show, and frankly just plain lame. There are times where I'll check in on a vid posted here, and sometimes it was worth watching. Now, I'm careful about what the title/description subject is, and if it seems hyped.. I won't click. Particularly if I see the term "smackdown" or "obliterated" or other over hyped, over used in the subject headings, I will not click.
Seems like there was a lot of "news" and real current events today to cover, why not cover those stories instead of the crap as described here? just bizarre.
Armadotrasgo
(28 posts)make me turn the channel just because of this tendency they both have to monologue endlessly about basically nothing. Now that Keith is back doing sports, I assume he does the same thing, except it's about baseball and nobody can tell.
Cyrano
(15,041 posts)She usually has a point and a damned good one. She was onto the Chris Chrstie, George Washington Bridge story far ahead of virtually everyone else.
My bitching about tonight's show doesn't mean I intend to "turn the channel." And I hope it doesn't encourage anyone else to do so.
My OP was constructive criticism and nothing more.
If you don't want to watch her, you may be on the wrong channel.
avebury
(10,952 posts)long it may have the effect of turning people off. Some people are like - Get to the point! If I have to wast too much time waiting for it I am just as likely as the next person to change the channel.
Iwillnevergiveup
(9,298 posts)awhile back, and we both agreed that yes, she's brilliant and digs very, very deep. It's her presentation that makes our eyes glaze over. She deals with so much material, she tends to race through monologs, often repeating herself. And as she's going through her points, she becomes more and more hyped and excitable - tends to become exhausting. Chris Hayes tends to get worked up, too. It's easier for me to watch clips of both of them.
MFM008
(19,814 posts)please never again. i was damn near suicidal during the first half hour was hoping for Koch or Christie reeming and we get cars and Biden. Sigh , theres always tomorrow.....
Retrograde
(10,137 posts)Yeah, Christie's a low-life, and people need to be reminded of this regularly, but she does go on an on about it.
okaawhatever
(9,462 posts)can run for President without risking losing his Senate seat. I didn't see her show, so there may be even more to it than that, but I read that a couple of weeks ago. Just thought I'd add what I could.
avebury
(10,952 posts)that indicated that Kentucky probably won't be able to pass this law.
okaawhatever
(9,462 posts)McConnell (and is doing very well against him, her name is Alison Lundergran-Grimes) so it may be that the Gov would veto the bill if it did pass. If Alison doesn't beat Mitch she may go for Rand Paul's seat in 2016. Either way I like the dilemma Paul faces.
JI7
(89,250 posts)and she is able to do it in a way where it hooks people and keeps them watching . and it stays with people longer this way than if she had just laid out a few statements.
Rhiannon12866
(205,425 posts)Paladin
(28,262 posts)Hey, she spent 25 minutes on an item that should have been covered in 5 minutes, max. We all make mistakes, and I'm still a huge Rachel fan.
Enrique
(27,461 posts)the murderer would often have to interrupt his irrelevant stories and ask him to please get to the point. My favorite was the guy that said, "You're a nice man, I like you very much, but I'd hate to have to depend on you if I were in a hurry."
mucifer
(23,547 posts)She did say one thing that rang very true. She loves cars.
Oy vey!
But, I still love Rachel and will pick and choose the segments I watch online. I don't have cable.
mfcorey1
(11,001 posts)Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)because the budget is largely about her own personal massive salary and thus has no room for pesky details like reporters, staff, location work, better writers, people with enough power to reign in her own wanderings including a producer of equal standing and talent. Murrow had Fred Friendly right there at his desk each night. Rachel has a sack of cash and a certainty that she's the best biscuit in the batch. It gets boring.
TreasonousBastard
(43,049 posts)and cater to her non-news news fans with little actual news.
TheBlackAdder
(28,205 posts)Benton D Struckcheon
(2,347 posts).......pation.
TreasonousBastard
(43,049 posts)I watched it in the early AM. And, yes, I had to shut it off after 20 minutes of covering 5 minutes of actual news.
Not earthshaking news, though, just a little piece about running in two spots on the ballot, which hardly anyone gives a rat's ass about and certainly doesn't need a third of the show, starting with a silly bit about car names.
In the 20 minutes of airtime on the CBS news before Letterman I got a lot more useful stuff than I got in that 20 minutes of the sainted Rachel. Having the great gift and luxury of an hour show to do with as you wish should mean more in depth stuff, not more ego and air filling.
UTUSN
(70,700 posts)First, I've never tuned into anybody who tells us what we want to hear on our, the way the Faux models works for that side. I prefer to monitor the enemy -- to a point: canNOT "take" HANNITY and the rest; CAN monitor O'LOOFAH and LIMBOsevic. So no SCHULZ or SHARPTON, but mostly Tweety because of his frustrating fluctuations over the years. I prefer to fume and see-through the obvious falsities than to have my own views massaged.
Never fell into the self-congratulatory fads for whassisname Keith and MADDOW, with their labyrinthine verbosity, but this week the paucity of what to have on in the background led me to MADDOW, that's how bad the paucity was, and, yes, the interminable "trail" of STEP BY STEP/ SLOWLY I TURN was even worse than I remembered from back when I first sampled her beginning.
Second, the mock trial thing. I went through a half dozen of those things at trainings, and the lawyers putting them on were just so THRILLED with themselves and the process, as were the stooge participant/"actors" - and the whole thing drove me to distraction!1 Is Rachel an attorney, by any chance?
So, yes, I love her and the others on the side of the angels, but (reasons given). Just to note, somebody deflated the Wingnuts' crowing over how their Talk shows succeed where Left doesn't: The Left audience, being younger and more intellectually active, have their OWN MEDIA UNIVERSE -- music, entertainment, minority culture outlets -- therefore are not a kneejerk, locked-in customer base for Talk. It's not a matter of Talent Success.
Snotcicles
(9,089 posts)flamingdem
(39,313 posts)I wrote to msnbc a few times about him. In the end he was on during the day and didn't have the following of some of the others. What a shame and over Sarah Palin!
Snotcicles
(9,089 posts)flamingdem
(39,313 posts)I agree that last night was nutty, I tuned in and out but didn't see any point until she spoke about Rand Paul. Very ADD.
Liberal_Dog
(11,075 posts)I love Rachel but I turned that off after a few minutes.
barbtries
(28,798 posts)i actually wrote to her to complain about how she finished up each segment by saying, "all right," and i don't hear her doing it so much anymore.
the republican apologist and their mutual admiration society was off putting and i do like to watch her for news more than entertainment. and she drives me crazy too with her rhetorical repetitions. i'm like SAY IT!!!
Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)Maybe you should have your attention deficit disorder dealt with. It wasn't that long a lead and it was very interesting.
The point was that Biden ran for both the Senate and VP at the same time on the same ticket. Rand Paul can't because of a state law in Kentucky. He needs to pick one or the other but can't run for both on the same ticket.
The (D)s in Kentucky won't change the law for him. I think this is a mistake. The Paul Protest Vote that his father cultivated helps to split their party. I think passing the law so that Rand can run for President while he also runs for The Senate would help us.
Logical
(22,457 posts)Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)The Veep's old car being sold is not the same story as Kentucky not changing it's law.
Maybe it is you who have trouble understanding.
Archae
(46,328 posts)"Reverend" Al Sharpton?
Cyrano
(15,041 posts)Last edited Sat Apr 19, 2014, 08:10 AM - Edit history (1)
But the ("roubble-rousing liar" "Reverend," Al Sharpton? post just totally and absolutely pissed me off.
Al Sharpton has made mistakes in his career (yeah, yeah, "Tawany Bawley," etc.) but he's redeemed himself with his show, his causes and using his celebrity and dollars to back just causes.
I don't question his motives I question your motives.
randome
(34,845 posts)Sharpton seems honest to me.
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stopbush
(24,396 posts)does for her lead story every fucking night. Tune in any night to the first 15 minutes of her show and you'll be treated to this long-winded rut she's worked herself into.
It's a waste of my life.
SNL could do a skit on this, but they usually have only 5 minutes alloted per skit.
William Seger
(10,778 posts)I love you just the way you are.