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Mother, 22, killed; Family sad, angry
UPDATED 7:44 AM EDT Apr 18, 2014
EASLEY, S.C. A 6-year-old found a gun and accidentally shot and killed a woman just before 1 p.m. Thursday, police said. ...the woman, Alexandra Anita Santos, was sitting in the passenger seat in a car on Hastings Circle when the child found a gun on the floor board of the back seat.
...the child accidentally fired the gun, and the shot went through the seat, hitting Santos in the back.
Santos was pronounced deceased at Baptist Medical Center Easley a short time later.
Santos' family said the 6-year-old was Santos' friend's child, and that friend was driving the car.
...Santos leaves behind an 11-month-old daughter.
Read more: http://www.wyff4.com/news/6yearold-accidentally-shoots-kills-woman/25537242#ixzz2zFAlMGCH
RandoLoodie
(133 posts)I take that back.
It will end when the sun blows up and eats up half our solar system. Until then, life will continue to be imperfect and fraught with terrible things, good things, and mediocre things.
But yeah, it does get old.
CreekDog
(46,192 posts)here we talk about kids shooting guns all the time.
in many countries, that is unheard of.
so your idea that it can only stop when the sun blows up is wrong. many countries have pretty much stopped this kind of thing from happening and it didn't take a cataclysmic solar event to do so.
Loudly
(2,436 posts)They are either (a) defeatists or (b) sociopaths.
Sociopaths say Worth The Price, Get Used To It.
friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)We'll know you're sincere when "Question submitted by Loudly" appears.
Until then, you will remain a keypoard commando...
We get the world we create.
Thing is, we're all creators.
And everyone is different.
CreekDog
(46,192 posts)When life becomes more important than bowing to the NRA - that's when it will end.
nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)nowhere near as draconian as many countries? But as we've seen, even a measure as mild as universal background checks doesn't make it into law in this country.
DrDan
(20,411 posts)pink guns for our daughters; Christmas cards with guns; guns in churches, schools, parks
In Florida, we cannot even have local legislation regarding guns - so gun ranges in back yards are now legal and cannot be controlled except at the State level . . .
simply insane
tarheelsunc
(2,117 posts)Actually, probably not even then.
Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)which is unlike other, more civilized countries.
onehandle
(51,122 posts)...and a Black President.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)The gun fanciers will say there are already too many guns. So we should do nothing, even though in a decade there will be another 100 million guns to deal with when we finally bite the bullet and do something.
marions ghost
(19,841 posts)--NOTHING accidental about this.
Negligent homicide --re the owner of the gun. Jail.
tarheelsunc
(2,117 posts)If the adult didn't do anything wrong, then there is no need to think about doing something about the problem. They want people to think a child just made this happen without knowing any better, because they can be forgiven while the adult can't.
marions ghost
(19,841 posts)All this would stop if gun owners were prosecuted instead of calling it an accident.
Anytime a child kills or injures with a gun, an adult is responsible. Can we get some laws in place that put the blame squarely on the parent or gun owner?
"Oops I left my loaded gun on the floor of the car."
Idiocracy.
JimDandy
(7,318 posts)Last edited Fri Apr 18, 2014, 01:35 PM - Edit history (1)
to be inside the glove compartment or secured in some other enclosed space. Don't know why the driver hasn't been charged with this yet.
ETA: It's possible that charges weren't filed if the police knew the gun owner had a concealed weapons permit, because the law was just changed to explicitly allow persons with a concealed carry permit to shove the gun under a seat (ANY seat in the vehicle) instead of having to carry it on their person while in the vehicle as was required previously. The bill (HB 380), which Governor Nikki Haley just signed in February, must have been titled "The Law of Intended Consequences" because who couldn't have forseen this happening?
marions ghost
(19,841 posts)and aren't going to follow them if they do.
That's why you need punishments. That's what they pay attention to.
JimDandy
(7,318 posts)this shooting to happen, though. The law she signed (House Bill 380) was changed to explicitly allow persons in a vehicle who have a concealed weapons permit to stuff their gun under a seat (ANY seat in the vehicle, mind you) instead of keeping it on their person as was previously required. Who couldn't have forseen exactly this kind of shooting to happen with that change in the law?
Unfuckingbelievable!
And that same law drastically reduced several gun violations fines also, so Governor Haley is not interested in giving offenders punishments they will pay attention to.
Crunchy Frog
(26,587 posts)It sounds like the lawmakers want to encourage gun homicides. Psychopaths.
marions ghost
(19,841 posts)heard about this killing and made the connection.
Or maybe she just thinks that other people's shooting "accidents" are just collateral damage and not her concern.
Death by 6-year-old. Not too many ways that can be accomplished.
Brutal, barbaric, and as you say, unfuckingbelievable in a nation calling itself civilized. No regard for human life.
Thx for the background on that.
Nikki Haley--the NRA's dream governor.
spin
(17,493 posts)and not have to put it in the glovebox of your car or under the seat.
JimDandy
(7,318 posts)sliding around under a seat. On your person it's in your control. That's why I don't understand why SC changed the law to allow only those with concealed carry to stuff their gun under a seat and out of their direct control. All other gun carriers in SC, while a gun is in the vehicle, must store the gun in a closed compartment, container or trunk of the vehicle.
I am just barely over the line for guns as it is (on some days I vascillate on this issue) and only if there are strong gun control regs in place. This under the seat business is nuts.
enough
(13,259 posts)in any area where children may be present.
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Felony charges, prison time if anyone was seriously hurt. That might make a dent.
raccoon
(31,111 posts)JimDandy
(7,318 posts)Last edited Fri Apr 18, 2014, 01:22 PM - Edit history (1)
if he was able to reach the gun on the floor board.
Hey, police, I know violations of SC's concealed carry law are fine and dandy with you, but could you at least charge the driver with that belt infraction.
ETA Governor Nikki Haley just changed the law in February. If the gun owner has a concealed weapons permit they are now allowed to stuff their gun under a seat in the vehicle (ANY seat) instead of having to keep it on their person.
B Calm
(28,762 posts)have some serious prison time.
SwankyXomb
(2,030 posts)when the last American dies from a sucking chest wound, The NRA will then sigh, "Mission Accomplished."
mylye2222
(2,992 posts)Stuart G
(38,427 posts)KamaAina
(78,249 posts)JimDandy
(7,318 posts)to head off a bullet in the back. It's all her fault.
rocktivity
(44,576 posts)And according to this report, the car was an SUV, the gun was a semiautomatic, and there were two other children in the back seat. And then there's this little tidbit:
Yergeau said the woman told her, though, that Santos' ex-boyfriend was responsible for her death. "You give any kind of access to a firearm (to a) six-year-old child, somebody needs to be responsible...Take responsibility, own up to what your kids did," she said.
Yergeau said she is "angry" such an accusation was leveled against that ex-boyfriend.
"The woman who was with Santos" -- as in, the woman who was with Santos in the car, or the woman driving the car? Is the woman the mother of any of the children? Does she consider the ex-boyfriend responsible because he owned the gun? Does she consider the ex-boyfriend responsible because he gave the gun to Santos? Did Santos put the gun under the passenger seat? How many adults were in the car? Whose car was it, anyway?
rocktivity
JimDandy
(7,318 posts)A brand new change to South Carolina's gun law in February now allows concealed carry permit owners to shove their gun under any seat in a vehicle. The way the law now reads, I'm not sure if the gun owner even needs to even be in the vehicle with the gun if they have a concealed carry permit.
alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)Gunner Shitheads of America.
It's the price we pay for free-dumb.
ManiacJoe
(10,136 posts)Logical
(22,457 posts)tazkcmo
(7,300 posts)And a very stupid and negligent friend.
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oneofthe99
(712 posts)I have been invited several times to go shooting by a good friend of mine.
Yesterday was the first time I said all right to him but now I'm beginning to reconsider
going. I know he's a safe person and was military trained but I just don't know anymore.
He knows that I never fired a gun or for that matter even held one.
rocktivity
(44,576 posts)Tell him the truth: that you've come across a rash of stories about kids having access to guns very recently. Ask him how he secures his guns -- especially if he has kids. Ask what the gun laws of his state are, about open versus concealed carry, and things like how to check if a gun is unloaded or if it's possible to un-cock a gun, and of course if you're holding the gun properly. That way, if you decide you're anti-gun or anti-gun control, you'll know what you're talking about!
rocktivity
oneofthe99
(712 posts)Did someone teach you how to shoot a gun?
To be honest I never paid gun control no mind until after the Newtown shooting at Sandy hook elementary school.
I live in New England and it just made me think more about gun control.
The subject just never came up with the people I hang with but after the shooting no one seemed
to want to talk about anything else.
rocktivity
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An M1, I think -- haven't touched a gun since.
I don't see how it can hurt anyone to have a basic knowledge of guns -- and gun safety.
If the crazy gun owners don't get us, the lazy gun owners will.
rocktivity
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)my stepdaughter had a crazy ex, and one day she brought his gun over to our house to hide. Problem was, I have grandchildren over from time to time. My basic knowledge helped me drop the magazine, empty the chamber, then take the slide off. The mag, grip, and slide got put is three widely separated, and secure, areas of the house.
doxydad
(1,363 posts)Get rid of it. Periood. Stand up to this guy, and tell him, NO. NOT IN MY HOUSE.
Skittles
(153,160 posts)SecularMotion
(7,981 posts)doxydad
(1,363 posts)When a firm 93 per cent of America cannot get the gun manufacturer's lobby arm (THE N.R.A. to)take their place as NOT being the law, but as what they are...until the majority of people actually stand up against all these goddamned arms, and until there is education, eradication and cessation of this murderous society, there is no end. God save us. PLEASE.
B Calm
(28,762 posts)sense whatsoever. The irresponsible gun owner should be prosecuted!