Imagine the reaction if Snowden would have called in to Obama's SOTU address and Obama would have given the same answer...

Ah, Snowden, way to go to give credence to the worst shit people have been saying about you.

Is he really stupid enough to fall for this false binary shit? I didn't think that way before, but I'm starting to. He really isn't helping.

'If You've Dug Yourself Into A Hole, You Should Stop Digging' ?

Might be good advice for Snowden.

He got Putin on record, just as he got Clapper on record.

The enemy of the people is surveillance, no matter the political affiliations of the overseers.

"He got Putin on record, just as he got Clapper on record. "

Beyond silly. Putin is already on record denying every human rights abuse in Russia. I mean, he's on record denying Russian troops are in Ukraine.

This was a dumb-ass question that produced a non-surprising response in a Putin propaganda venue.

Did you watch the video? A more carefully orchestrated performance would be hard to imagine.

NSA stuff is out and you can't put it back.

Ha.

And if Snowden hadn't done it, somebody else probably would have. And you'd be figuring out tactics to shit on them, too.

It's a discussion board.

Your arguments are just the most egregiously bad arguments (or lack of arguments) and deserving of being countered.

If you have any counter arguments, feel free to make them, isn't of making a lazy accusations of "stalking." You post all the time and are often the first to post in a thread. You are going to get responded to... I reply to ucrdem's dishonest arguments and lack of arguments all the time, time. I've called out ProSense on many an occasion, too.

Again...you decided to seek my post out when there were 5 replies to grasswire. All I did was laugh and you felt the need to reply.

Anytime we have an exchange, it's you who makes the initial reply to me, yet you essentially accused me of wasting your time in the past.

A simple laugh of mine can apparently set you off.

I'm actually quite flattered.

Dennis Rodman says Kim Jog Un is a good guy.

"I doubt if he ever expected to 'enjoy' lie in Russia. But he was willing to sacrifice his own personal comfort in order to open a discussion that was sorely needed."

...opened the door to his being used as Putin's tool.

"And as difficult as his like in Russia may be, it's better than coming back to this country to be tortured as what happened to Chelsea Manning. "

OK, he's better off. He can avoid being held accountable, and enjoy life as best he can in Russia. He's happy, and Putin has a tool for life.

And as far as being a tool goes, I suspect that he realized from day one that he would be accused of that. But the issues that he brought forward were important enough that he was willing to take that risk.

"I hope you're not suggesting that torture is a legitimate form of being held accountable."

The implication that Snowden would be subject to "torture" is silly.

Wyden, as a Senator on an oversight committee can ask questions - as well as followup questions. He also has access to significant information that he can use to make the case if Clapper lied -- which Clapper did -- and Wyden then called him on it.

A better analogy would be a Democratic activist, a some stature, calling into Rush Limbaugh and asking a soft ball question. The "microphone" is controlled by Limbaugh, who can offer any lie or half truth he wants without allowing the activist to respond. This was the situation with Putin. (That Snowden then can speak to the media is no different than the case of the activist having the ability to speak in the left blogosphere.) However, Putin had far more people listening in.

"A better analogy would be a Democratic activist, a some stature, calling into Rush Limbaugh and asking a soft ball question. The "microphone" is controlled by Limbaugh, who can offer any lie or half truth he wants without allowing the activist to respond. This was the situation with Putin. (That Snowden then can speak to the media is no different than the case of the activist having the ability to speak in the left blogosphere.) However, Putin had far more people listening in. "

...that this was for a Russian audience, which amplifies the propaganda aspect of this scripted event (http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024839105). Russia is actively silencing dissent, and Snowden's question was basically an act of complicity.

His allies are attempting to spin his current op-ed as something it's not. It's simply another ass-covering attempt for another humiliating event. Also, if the goal is holding Putin accountable, a lame-ass question at a Putin propaganda show isn't the way to do it. What's preventing Snowden from doing so via any of his media allies or in a statement...you know, like his Christmas message. (LOL!)

Putin's show promoted his propaganda to its intended audience, Russians. Snowden's op-ed attempts to spin it to the rest of the world.

He's a tool.

He really is a joke, a sad, pathetic joke.

"He really is a joke, a sad, pathetic joke."

..."pathetic": In his op-ed, Snowden tries to hype the importance of his question by linking to a Daily Beast piece that calls him out for being a tool. From his op-ed:

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it's clear that right or wrong, Snowden is going to be the hill they die on

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/apr/18/edward-snowden-defends-decision-question-vladimir-putin-on-surveillance


EDIT: Nevermind -- Evidently there is more than one Edward Lucas...And then there's this nugget:

But in his article, which was given to the Guardian via the Freedom of the Press Foundation, on whose board Snowden sits, Snowden says such criticism was a simple misinterpretation of what he had been trying to do. He emphasises that he has sworn no allegiance to Russia and has no ulterior motive.

Are the Guardian just a bunch of stenographers now?

And they STILL haven't run any correction or retraction for this:

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/05/obama-cia-senate-intelligence-committee-torture

http://metamorphosis.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4639869



And why didn't Snowden just give his PR statement to Greenwald at the Intercept? Oh, right -- They aren't getting any web traffic because they haven't been producing content...Aside from the shout-out for the Pulitzer, Greenwald has been slowly but steadily putting some distance between himself and Snowden -- I'm curious to know why...

He can talk about Clapper, he needs to look at himself and say he lied. He acting job with Putin was kindergarten at best, there was only few they convinced and two of them are Putin and Snowden. He has a shallow mind in setting this up. A legend in his own mind.

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Glenn GreenwaldVerified account?@ggreenwald ·
Writing an op-ed criticizing Putin's response while needing asylum is as brave an act as the initial whistleblowing, & shows same integrity

https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/457128579076476928

Seriously?

LOL!

He doesn't have the stones to publicly commit to a firm opinion or stance on some issue, so he'll frequently tweet the link to some other person's story or column or tweet in a "This person speaks for me" sort of way...

But you see the deft touch with how Greenwald re-directs the issue and subsequent discussion -- The real issue of course isn't about Snowden writing some column criticizing (LOL) Putin's response; it SHOULD be about why Greenwald *isn't* writing any kind of op-ed or story, since he's supposedly the professional with complete autonomy over a $250 million media outlet...Of course that's the kind of question that never gets asked in these threads, and when I ask it, DUers put me on ignore, lolz...

The ultimate truth of it is Greenwald is a decent investigator, but he has always been a shitty writer (and his quality has gotten even worse without the old-school editorial oversight he had at the Guardian and Salon); which is why he's finding it harder and harder to leave the tailor-made comfort zone of twitter...

"He doesn't have the stones to publicly commit to a firm opinion or stance on some issue, so he'll frequently tweet the link to some other person's story or column or tweet in a "This person speaks for me" sort of way...

But you see the deft touch with how Greenwald re-directs the issue and subsequent discussion -- The real issue of course isn't about Snowden writing some column criticizing (LOL) Putin's response; it SHOULD be about why Greenwald *isn't* writing any kind of op-ed or story, since he's supposedly the professional with complete autonomy over a $250 million media outlet..."

...related to the point I made here (http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024839623#post15).

Snowden's allies are attempting to spin his current op-ed as something it's not. It's simply another ass-covering attempt for another humiliating event. Also, if the goal is holding Putin accountable, a lame-ass question at a Putin propaganda show isn't the way to do it. What's preventing Snowden from doing so via any of his media allies or in a statement...you know, like his Christmas message. (LOL!)

Putin's show promoted his propaganda to its intended audience, Russians. Snowden's op-ed attempts to spin it to the rest of the world.

As you implied, what's preventing Greenwald from calling out Putin in a big way?

Just release them.

What a silly attempt to appear fair and balanced.

He already knows the answer to the question he asked Putin and didn't take him to task.

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until he hacks into their system! Which is probably far easier to do.

as said on another topic.

He was granted asylum there because, IMHO, Putin wanted to make a provacation to USA by welcoming him. He applied for asylum seeking in many other western countries, and was denied everywhere. He's right to question Putin.

50-dimensional chess now!

Seems like he raised several valid points to me. Did I miss something?

Probably not what Glenn and his ego were trolling for.

Come on...

Ken Gude ?@KenGude · Apr 17
No @ggreenwald but maybe its not such a good idea for a civil liberties hero to be a tool of a leader like Putin in a country like Russia

Laurent Ruseckas ?@LaurentRuseckas · Apr 17
@ggreenwald I don't understand your tweet but he really, really should not have done that.

Pradheep Shanker MD ?@Neoavatara · Apr 17
@ggreenwald How about simply stop being a shill for Putin?

Patterico ?@Patterico · Apr 17
.@ggreenwald This argument is a "false choice." http://is.gd/falsechoice

He's never even spoken to him! Or any other Russian investigative journalists, for that matter!! How can that be? Unless Snowden was never serious about trying to address the issue...


Andrei Soldatov ?@AndreiSoldatov · 14h
Great that Snowden and I may comment on each other's comments, hope one day he'll be ready to talk to Rus journalists
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/apr/18/vladimir-putin-surveillance-us-leaders-snowden …

Edward Snowden’s cowardice on Russian TV
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2014/04/17/edward-snowdens-cowardice-on-russian-tv/

First by his friends, and now by Putin...All his heavily coached and filtered interviews and public statements have not been able to mask the fact that he is of average intelligence at best...

Years from now the real story will probably come out about how some of Snowden's "friends" approached him and said he'd be a famous hero and manipulated him into lifting the files and going public (because he's tailor-made for the role -- right age, camera-friendly looks, clean background, and smart but not too smart)...So Snowden is the one with his bacon in the fire while his "friends" sit back in the shadows and reap the benefit of the revelations...

Shocking!

“Snowden celebrates Pulitzer by turning into Putin’s propaganda tool,” former NSA general counsel Stewart Baker said in a comment posted on Twitter, referring to the Pulitzer Prizes awarded to The Post and the Guardian US this week for their Snowden coverage."

thank you, PS

Where are your blockquote, blue link posts about the crimes that were committed by the NSA?

Links please. I, for one, appreciate your contribution.

He's much more interesting than the alleged "crimes" of the NSA. The NSA had a warrant for what they were doing, and in fact when Bush left office they went back to standards. Now the issued has been addressed. It's Eddie that keeps up the dog and pony show and he is simply getting the attention he wants.

I'm guessing hundreds.

I really don't care about your criticisms of Snowden, Prosense. They're so constant and up-to-the-minute, talking-point-consistent that they seem like commercial breaks. But I have to be honest-- I haven't actually read them for a long time. It'd be like reading an ad banner.

LOL!