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Mikeystyle

(208 posts) Fri Apr 18, 2014, 01:06 PM Apr 2014

Fox "news" legal analysts say #BundyRanch doesn't have a leg to stand on

Lis Wiehl: "...they let the cattle go, gave them back to him, but he's still on the hook the government says and I believe they are right about this, the government's right about this, for one million dollars"

Kimberly Guilfoyle: "Their assertion is that it isn't federal land that it actually belongs to the respective states of Nevada and the border there between Utah and Arizona, he said listen, we've been grazing on this land for years and years, "My ancestors preceding me." However, the important point is it's in the constitution even in the state of Nevada that this land belongs to the federal government so they have a very strong stand."

Lis Wiehl: "That land was ceded from the state to the federal government before Bundy even had this ranch"

http://crooksandliars.com/2014/04/fox-news-legal-analysts-say-cliven-bundy?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

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Fox "news" legal analysts say #BundyRanch doesn't have a leg to stand on (Original Post) Mikeystyle Apr 2014 OP

And, Bundy paid those fees before Politicalboi Apr 2014 #1

He never had a problem paying fees when there was a republican president. B Calm Apr 2014 #4

He is an ass but that isn't true Egnever Apr 2014 #5

When Bill Clinton won the election. B Calm Apr 2014 #7

His defiance began when BLM reduced the number of cattle he could graze pinboy3niner Apr 2014 #6

He hasn't paid any fees since 1993 TorchTheWitch Apr 2014 #8

I guess because he never had a problem paying when Reagan, then Bush, but when B Calm Apr 2014 #10

this has nothing to do with who was president TorchTheWitch Apr 2014 #11

Well I guess you're entitled to your opinion. I just thought it was funny B Calm Apr 2014 #12

it isn't just my opinion TorchTheWitch Apr 2014 #13

and there are a lot of people who agree with me. B Calm Apr 2014 #14

then they also haven't paid the slightest attention TorchTheWitch Apr 2014 #15

Trust me, it's all political with these right wing assholes! B Calm Apr 2014 #16

no it isn't TorchTheWitch Apr 2014 #17

So long! B Calm Apr 2014 #18

Why does Bundy think he shouldn't pay and others should??? I have plenty of family kestrel91316 Apr 2014 #2

He thinks he's special, just like certain welfare cheats. demosincebirth Apr 2014 #3

I wish she'd leave Faux. n/t UTUSN Apr 2014 #9

Politicalboi

(15,189 posts)

1. And, Bundy paid those fees before

Reply to Mikeystyle (Original post)

Fri Apr 18, 2014, 01:29 PM

Apr 2014

So has acknowledged the government before. And when he fights in courts, he uses the "Federal courts". You just can't acknowledge the government when it's convenient for you.

B Calm

(28,762 posts)

4. He never had a problem paying fees when there was a republican president.

Reply to Politicalboi (Reply #1)

Fri Apr 18, 2014, 02:53 PM

Apr 2014

Egnever

(21,506 posts)

5. He is an ass but that isn't true

Reply to B Calm (Reply #4)

Fri Apr 18, 2014, 03:00 PM

Apr 2014

He quit paying fees 20 years ago

B Calm

(28,762 posts)

7. When Bill Clinton won the election.

Reply to Egnever (Reply #5)

Fri Apr 18, 2014, 03:02 PM

Apr 2014

pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)

6. His defiance began when BLM reduced the number of cattle he could graze

Reply to B Calm (Reply #4)

Fri Apr 18, 2014, 03:00 PM

Apr 2014

I think his objection originally began because he didn't want to have to comply with the terms of the grazing permit, which specified the number of cattle and when they could graze. He seems to think he's entitled to graze his entire herd an public land year-round.

TorchTheWitch

(11,065 posts)

8. He hasn't paid any fees since 1993

Reply to B Calm (Reply #4)

Fri Apr 18, 2014, 03:51 PM

Apr 2014

I'm quite certain that we've had a repub president since then. Besides, since he doesn't believe in the federal government why would he care who the president was?

This is all about his profits. Period.

B Calm

(28,762 posts)

10. I guess because he never had a problem paying when Reagan, then Bush, but when

Reply to TorchTheWitch (Reply #8)

Fri Apr 18, 2014, 05:01 PM

Apr 2014

Clinton came into the scene he had a problem. .

TorchTheWitch

(11,065 posts)

11. this has nothing to do with who was president

Reply to B Calm (Reply #10)

Sat Apr 19, 2014, 09:04 AM

Apr 2014

He doesn't care who the president is... he doesn't believe in the federal government. He started having a problem when they passed the law that reduced the number of cattle he could have and where on the land they could graze because of the endangered tortoise and the need to allow the land to recoup itself. Again, this has always been about his personal bottom line.

B Calm

(28,762 posts)

12. Well I guess you're entitled to your opinion. I just thought it was funny

Reply to TorchTheWitch (Reply #11)

Sat Apr 19, 2014, 12:35 PM

Apr 2014

he didn't have a problem paying until Bill Clinton was president.

TorchTheWitch

(11,065 posts)

13. it isn't just my opinion

Reply to B Calm (Reply #12)

Sat Apr 19, 2014, 01:04 PM

Apr 2014

It's what IS. If you actually knew anything about this guy and what his problem is concerning his cattle and the federal land for the past 20 years you'd know that.

B Calm

(28,762 posts)

14. and there are a lot of people who agree with me.

Reply to TorchTheWitch (Reply #13)

Sat Apr 19, 2014, 01:15 PM

Apr 2014

TorchTheWitch

(11,065 posts)

15. then they also haven't paid the slightest attention

Reply to B Calm (Reply #14)

Sat Apr 19, 2014, 01:18 PM

Apr 2014

to what any of this is about or what he's about and just pulled that silly notion out of their hind ends.

B Calm

(28,762 posts)

16. Trust me, it's all political with these right wing assholes!

Reply to TorchTheWitch (Reply #15)

Sat Apr 19, 2014, 01:23 PM

Apr 2014

TorchTheWitch

(11,065 posts)

17. no it isn't

Reply to B Calm (Reply #16)

Sat Apr 19, 2014, 01:32 PM

Apr 2014

Is there something you don't get about this guy not believing that the US actually exists and that state rights trump all? HE DOESN'T BELIEVE IN THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. Cripes, how many times does it need to be said??? Since he doesn't believe in the federal government he doesn't CARE who the president is. He believes that ANY president is invalid. It has NOTHING NOTHING NOTHING to do with what party the current pres belongs to. This is ALL about MONEY - specifically HIS money.

Done with you. If you want to pull garbage out of your rear end instead of actually looking into what this idiot is all about and what his beef has been for the past couple of decades have at it by yourself.

>>>CLICK<<<

B Calm

(28,762 posts)

18. So long!

Reply to TorchTheWitch (Reply #17)

Sat Apr 19, 2014, 02:13 PM

Apr 2014

kestrel91316

(51,666 posts)

2. Why does Bundy think he shouldn't pay and others should??? I have plenty of family

Reply to Mikeystyle (Original post)

Fri Apr 18, 2014, 02:28 PM

Apr 2014

in the West who are ranchers and WHO PAY THEIR GRAZING FEES. They also are descended from pioneers.

What makes him so special that HE doesn't have to pay? Probably his church (I assume with his name and attitude that he's LDS) tells him he's SPESHUL.

demosincebirth

(12,537 posts)

3. He thinks he's special, just like certain welfare cheats.

Reply to kestrel91316 (Reply #2)

Fri Apr 18, 2014, 02:43 PM

Apr 2014

UTUSN

(70,696 posts)

9. I wish she'd leave Faux. n/t

Reply to Mikeystyle (Original post)

Fri Apr 18, 2014, 04:18 PM

Apr 2014

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