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MattSh

(3,714 posts)
Sat Apr 19, 2014, 03:40 AM Apr 2014

Woman stops tanks with her bare hands.

OK, it's not really a tank. It's an APC (Armored Personnel Carrier). But a lot of people would know the difference.

This is from Kramatorsk, Ukraine

Kramatorsk - City in Ukraine

Kramatorsk is a city of regional significance located at the northern portion of Donetsk Oblast, in eastern Ukraine. The city is located on the banks of river Kazennyi Torets which is a right tributary of Siversky Donets.


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Woman stops tanks with her bare hands. (Original Post) MattSh Apr 2014 OP
What's going on here marions ghost Apr 2014 #1
Events in east Ukraine. MattSh Apr 2014 #2
OK thanks marions ghost Apr 2014 #3
Correct. MattSh Apr 2014 #4
Yup. Igel Apr 2014 #5

MattSh

(3,714 posts)
2. Events in east Ukraine.
Sat Apr 19, 2014, 04:17 AM
Apr 2014

The government in Kiev was overthrown earlier this year, by a pro-western uprising. The east of Ukraine, more pro-Russian, have taken over a number of buildings and squares in east Ukraine. In nearby Donetsk, they have even declared themselves the People Republic of Donetsk and have scheduled a referendum of independence from Ukraine. Ukraine has sent in the military to quell these uprisings, so far without much luck.

marions ghost

(19,841 posts)
3. OK thanks
Sat Apr 19, 2014, 04:22 AM
Apr 2014

so this woman would be one of the peoples Republic of Donetsk? And the tanks are Ukrainian?

Igel

(35,359 posts)
5. Yup.
Sat Apr 19, 2014, 11:34 AM
Apr 2014

The soldier's viewed as defending a fascist government, and protesting by following orders that left him both "morally superior" and "unable to win." The woman showed no bravery. There was no risk, except maybe getting hurt by accident.

This is unlike those protesting against China a couple of decades ago. They ran risks, and paid for their actions--death, long prison sentences.


Note that there is a greater risk in the soldier's surrendering. In some cases the soldiers have been beaten. "Lynch" is the best way to translate the word describing the "peaceful protesters'" actions. In other cases, they've been merely humiliated. In some cases, they do go to the other side. Hard to tell, since all you see is video taken by the pro-Russian side, which, oddly, is usually taken as "neutral."


Note that in Mariupol a citizens group that was defending a building had its women beaten by protesters trying to take over the building.

The takeaway: It's better to stand down a soldier than to confront a group of "peaceful protesters." It was the same in Kyiv: More beatings, more torture, more deaths happened to the fascists than to the "Russians."

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