These people want a fight, they want a 2nd revolution.

The political battle there isn't about them and their stupid libertarian rights. Politicians really don't care about that, because there are safeguards to prevent them from ever overthrowing the government. Their vulnerability is in their expendibility. The big fight is, and has been for decades, about ceding federal land to the robber barons who lust for unabated and unregulated profit.

Don't forget, if these idiots in Nevada get their way for a decentralized federal government, a lot of republican politicians will be out of a job, and none of them want that. In the end, those ranchers will either stand down, or become cannon fodder in the larger battle for corporate use of protected federal land.

is a misunderstanding of what and who the government is...

"Calling our national parks and preserves "government land" is a misnomer" No. ...it is 'government land' owned by you and me... I see the government as WE... the terrorists(at the Bundy Ranch) see the government as some foreign body and don't recognize we are all in this together... city and country folk, rich and poor, people of color and white, Christians, Atheists, Muslims, et.al...

they can only see themselves and people close by that look like them... they are bigoted, close minded and inappropriately self-righteous

But I believe there's a fine but distinct line between government land and public land like national parks.

Your post office sits on government land, but our national parks and preserves were put aside for all time for free use by the American people. Fencing off protected land for private use is strictly taboo. That's something that's probably stuck in the craw of capitalists since Grant declared Yellowstone protected land.

We literally own a share in that protected land by sole rights of our citizenship, and I'm not about to sign away rights to my share for free extraction of my resources to corporate interests, and that includes Bundy and his little stupid little moo cow company.

I still hold that such protected land doesn't technically belong to the government, but you're right on about how these anarchists view the state and land it regulates for us.

We are part owners.

What we do, via the government, is hire managers of the lands we own.

They are tasked with managing the land in the best way possible. The managers with the greatest amount of land to manage is the BLM- Bureau of Land Management.

The BLM becomes the target of land grabbers like Bundy, because it is the largest target. So far, via using the system, the land grabbers have been frustrated from grabbing more land for themsleves.

So they are now going outside the system via the use of terrorism.

They will be crushed.

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It'll take some delicate maneuvering, but Bundy will go down and his armed supporters will go back to dreaming of a lawless country where a man's property is a sovereign land unto itself.

I think the BLM handled it correctly when they stated that this will be resolved judicially. It seems to me that once the govt makes a move in court to hold Bundy's land in lieu of payment, he'll find the money. If not, he can be dealt with the same as tax protesters who think they don't have to contribute. He can't fight foreclosure very well if he's behind bars.

If his buddies think he should prevail, perhaps they should pass the hat to pay off his debt to the rest of the country that also owns the land he's using.

where the earth killers plan on living when the big blue marble turns to ash.

What was the huge focus of Fox News during that time? The National Parks being closed......

The history of the case shows that he has repeatedly ignored his contractual agreement with the BLM, refusing to pay for that, AND then expanding further his use on environmentally sensitive land which he has been told NOT to graze upon. he didn't "Homestead" the Lands as He claims, HAS NO Grant , nor recorded grant history, and is a Deadbeat Thief, not worthy of Being called a real honest cattle man, but a self serving Non-Paying Millionaire, using resources to which he is not entitled, and then calling out the Nut Case Calvary from under all the Rocks to his aid. He will be dealt with in an easily implemented Financial manner. Any Cattle he sells, will have to be done via CASH, since any electronic value transfer will be taken by the government in an automatic garnishee of those funds. His Bank accounts will be frozen, and he will be reduced to a cash pauper within months. No Need for a federal Standoff or anything of the sort. He is financially Toast.

...and so eloquently stated.

I thought it was wise that the BLM avoided the temptation to engage the "protesters" in armed conflict and stated that the matter would be handled in a court of law. Bundy will be crushed in due time with a velvet gloved fist.

When they say that "armed agents came on their land to collect past due fees" The agents are always armed, it is part of their uniform and the land is not Bundy's. They went to the land to confiscate the cattle in place of payment, since he hasn't paid up in 20 years. It just makes me cringe when I hear the right making these excuses. Yes what you say is the truth of the Republican party and always has been. It just irritates the hell out of them to see underdeveloped land or unused as they call it. I remember reading about an ALEC meeting where it started out with a map of the United States and all the parks areas and other saved spaces were colored and the speaker pointed out that all the colored spaces were "non-productive" areas and that was the first thing they wanted to change.

But I'm sure the good ole boys there with the guns etc. don't give a shit about any of that, they are just useful tools.

the highest bidder. The BLM squeezed out 52 ranchers by extremely limiting their grazing area and herd sizes to the point they went out of business same as what they've been trying to do to Bundy. It's really quite a story...even a former Howard Hughes subsidiary, Summa Corporation was involved coming up with a plan with the city and county the would allow growth and satisfy the threatened tortoise. They set up an endowment for the tortoise and placed a $550 per acre fee for development. Herd and grazing restrictions caused the ranchers to abandon the meetings and take whatever the gov't would give them for their land. Now developers had essentially carbon credits of land so that they could go ahead and build.

Then in October of 1998 the Southern Nevada Public Land Act was passed.

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