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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsREAGAN: "No reason why on the street today, a citizen should be carrying loaded weapons."
http://www.salon.com/2013/01/23/7_uncovered_quotes_that_reveal_just_how_crazy_the_nras_become/
villager
(26,001 posts)Not really.
Jesus Malverde
(10,274 posts)How they shouldn't own weapons right? So they could be pushed around by law enforcement and be brutalized with impunity.
The quote is from may 1967 and was RACIST.
"good will" when applied to the black community is this context is code for "subservient".
lunasun
(21,646 posts)Kingofalldems
(38,460 posts)etherealtruth
(22,165 posts)What has the world come to?
Jesus Malverde
(10,274 posts)It's some kind of three dimensional chess.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4845787
It's still awkward. Tomorrow watch out, we'll get a Nixon quote.
Jesus Malverde
(10,274 posts)The urge to disarm a peoples where the government has the monopoly on armed violence goes back to the middle ages.
Two things happen to you when you become a felon you lose the right to vote and the right to own a gun, both are disenfranchisement. That minorities and poor people are more likely to become felons is well known.
etherealtruth
(22,165 posts)Hoyt
(54,770 posts)white wing bigots.
Jesus Malverde
(10,274 posts)It worked with the African American community.
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)Jesus Malverde
(10,274 posts)On Election Day, nearly 1.4 million voting-age black men more than one in eight will be ineligible to cast ballots because of state laws that strip felons of the right to vote.
Here we are, 50 years after the beginning of the civil rights movement, and we actually have an increasing number of African-Americans who are disenfranchised each year, said Marc Mauer of The Sentencing Project, which analyzed 1996 Justice Department statistics along with Human Rights Watch.
Disenfranchised black males account for 35 percent of all Americans now barred from voting because of felony convictions. Two percent of all Americans, or 3.9 million, have lost the right to vote, compared with 13 percent of adult black men.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=121724
At least 1.4 million african american males cannot legally own a gun because they are convicted felons. Disenfranchisement isn't just about taking away your vote.
In Washington D.C., home to the nations first black president, 75 percent of young black men can expect to serve time in prisons.
In the citys poorest neighborhoods and across the many highly segregated black urban ghettoes that persist across (not-so) post-racial America, similar incarceration rates and expectations prevail and time behind bars has become normative for young black males.
* In seven states black Americans make up 80 to 90 percent all drug prisoners. In more than fifteen states, blacks are sent to prison on drug convictions at rates from 20 to 57 times greater than those of white men.
* Three fourths of all Americans behind bars for drug crimes are black or Latino.
* On any given day, nearly a third (30 percent) of black males ages 20 to 29 is under some form of correctional supervision.
http://blackagendareport.com/content/%E2%80%9Cfelony-new-%E2%80%98n-word%E2%80%9D-michelle-alexander-mass-incarceration-%E2%80%9C-new-jim-crow%E2%80%9D-age-obama
I'm sure your aware convicted felons are forbidden from owning a firearm, for the rest of their lives.
Hoyt wants to take the guns away, there is already a process for that and it's under way against the african american community. I was suggesting he should extend that to the white firearms owners that he's against.
It was a bit of hyperbole to show the role of disenfranchisement.
enough
(13,259 posts)Jesus Malverde
(10,274 posts)How else could the Klan come lynch you in the middle of the night if you had the means to take a couple of them out in the process.
It's the same reason American Indians were disarmed etc.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)we wouldn't be discussing this. Go to any gun store or show and look at the yahoos drooling over guns. Look at the vast majority of people who can't walk out the door without a gun strapped on.
Jesus Malverde
(10,274 posts)tblue37
(65,409 posts)arrested at the same rate minorities do when behaving inappropriately with guns.
Jesus Malverde
(10,274 posts)But I do understand your point regarding official bias.
Lets say we have a white person who works in a predominately african american neighborhood. He is likely to be granted a concealed weapons permit more so that someone who lives in the neighborhood.
The more a city has minority populations the more draconian it's gun laws. This is born out across America.
The more a city has poor peoples the more draconian it's gun laws.
tblue37
(65,409 posts)perform their official duties. Is it legl to actually *target* those officers? We have all seen the pic of the guy aiming his rifle at the feds. If he is not identified and arrested, then. . . . Well, I doubt a minority member would be so lucky.
Jesus Malverde
(10,274 posts)I saw one picture of a guy lying prone on a bridge. I have no idea what was down range of his sights. If he was targeting federal officials Its likely he was breaking one law or another. Having weapons on your person however is not a crime in Nevada assuming your not a felon or otherwise prohibited person.
I don't think there is a legal standard for "intimidate federal officers" as thats subjective on the part of the officers.
Where I visit in Nevada the city is closely surrounded by BLM land. While it's not legal to discharge guns in the city except in designated areas it's perfectly legal to do so on BLM land. It's a weird mix of state and federal laws at play.
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)white people with guns are perfectly reasonable, black people with guns are scary.
herding cats
(19,565 posts)"In 2004, President George W. Bush said, I did think we ought to extend the assault weapons ban, and was told the fact that the bill was never going to move, because Republicans and Democrats were against the assault weapon ban, people of both parties. I believe law-abiding citizens ought to be able to own a gun. I believe in background checks at gun shows or anywhere to make sure that guns dont get in the hands of people that shouldnt have them.
Ten years earlier, his father wrote a letter to the NRA just two weeks after the Oklahoma City bombing, resigning as a life member of the NRA. And while Ronald Reagan was the Governor of California, he stated his view on guns in May of 1967 when Black Panther Party members walked into the California Statehouse carrying rifles to protest a gun-control bill. Theres no reason why on the street today a citizen should be carrying loaded weapons.
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/50559139/t/look-back-gun-control-history/#.U1W2K1cVA4c
Link added to really drive the point home.
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)thanks for posting
doc03
(35,351 posts)a women walking around holding hands and both were packing open carry Glocks. There were signs posted that no guns were permitted except for law enforcement a few weeks ago. I ask a mall employee and was told the mall changed their policy, anyone can carry now except mall employees. So now a person can walk in the mall carrying an AR 15 with a box full of 30 round magazines and nobody should be alarmed. There was the Easter Bunny and dozens of people with children for targets.
sweetapogee
(1,168 posts)of the boxes of bullets were shot in that mall?
doc03
(35,351 posts)thirty round magazines nobody would even call the cops. They could just walk in unobstructed load up a shoot everyone. Sounds like a recipe for disaster to me. The gun nuts pressured them to change their policy, what about normal sane people that would like to go shopping without a bunch of loons carrying guns around. The whole thing is not that they need guns it is just they think they need to make a statement about this president.
sweetapogee
(1,168 posts)could you at least give a rough estimate of the number of bullets they fired in your mall?
Sherman A1
(38,958 posts)I would have simply left upon seeing what you described. I would have also let mall management that I was leaving and taking my business elsewhere or online and just why I was doing so. They certainly have a right to run their mall anyway they choose, I have a right to shop where I choose to do so.
doc03
(35,351 posts)to open carry. What the fuck is wrong with this country? Fifty years ago everyone would be turned off by that but since president Clinton was in office every time we get a Democratic president the right wingers think they have to carry guns everywhere. You know they don't think they really need a gun, they are just trying to get someone to say something so they have an excuse to spew their gun rights bullshit. I plan to complain to the mall manager about the policy next time I see him but I suppose the other side is a lot louder. I suppose since open carry is legal in Ohio they couldn't stop open carry unless they banned all guns.
Skittles
(153,169 posts)THAT is what happened
doc03
(35,351 posts)over, don't remember that stuff when W was pResident.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)They feel the need to "take their country back" or intimidate the 93% who would never carry a gun in public, much less openly.
spanone
(135,846 posts)the right would ignore/hate him
Dirty Socialist
(3,252 posts)They should have impeached him!
RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)Apparently he said this after he got shot. Too bad they missed!
ManiacJoe
(10,136 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)As much as I do not like him, I would also never hope for a Presidential assassination.
That is just sick
RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)Did Reagan kill your brother by calling AIDS a "gay cancer," thus preventing early research into a "cure?"
Well FYI, he did to my brother, who I lost early on in the pandemic.
I had every right to want to see that poor excuse for a human being dead!
His homophobic rhetoric killed a member of my immediate family.
So revenge is a dish, best served cold!
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)you might want to see a professional about your issues. Grudges like that you let fester are what is wrong with the world. Think Israel/Palistine you kill my family I will kill yours. Sorry for your pain but you need help my friend.
Demeter
(85,373 posts)I've been looking most of my life, and can count them on the fingers of one hand...
madville
(7,412 posts)Most gun control laws started as a way to keep non-whites from owning or carrying guns.
MisterP
(23,730 posts)and the USSR
they also managed to make themselves forget they called Ike a Commie
they managed to make themselves forget that St. Heinlein never had a shell come his way
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)the Gun Control Act (1968)? Can anyone find that quote?