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Its a striking omission, because her case highlights the historical blindness of Mr. Murrays narrow focus on the cultural and policy changes of the 1960s as the root of white Americas decline. The story of white poverty, as Ms. Bucks story illustrates, is much longer and more complex than he and his admirers realize or want to admit.
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Involuntary sterilization was the early 20th centurys remedy for what Mr. Murray blames on changes in the 1960s. But it was precisely the changes of that era for black civil rights, womens rights, poor peoples rights and socially committed Catholicism that ended this inhumane practice.
Along the way, though, something got lost. Ms. Buck, sterilization, white poverty this older history disappeared in the mid-20th century, when prosperity isolated the stigmata of poverty in black Americans. In 1965 Daniel Patrick Moynihans The Negro Family: The Case for National Action laid blame on a black tangle of pathology of ghetto culture. Mr. Moynihan voiced a logic widespread at the time, translating the disarray associated with poverty into a racial trait.
Full oped: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/25/opinion/sunday/when-poverty-was-white.html&pagewanted=all
Sparkly
(24,149 posts)I could see right-wingers wanting to go back to all that. Erasing the 1960s, as they wish they could, would be a step in that direction.
Forced sterilization for the "feeble minded" and other malcontents. Breed 'em strong and docile.
MrScorpio
(73,631 posts)And Black and Brown and Asian...
ellisonz
(27,711 posts)...because something can be done about it since they're worthy of the redemptive efforts of reformers. All others are in their condition because of their inherit low "unit trait" value, which although may from time to time may display well on the Intelligence Quotient is in fact just a product of a morally bankrupt culture. We shall create separate but equal institutions for their betterment so that they do not influence the White Poor. No eugenics here, just good old fashioned American sociology! Let the phrenology commence...
(This is massive )
provis99
(13,062 posts)Social darwinism run amok, again.
ellisonz
(27,711 posts)Murrary's argument is that this is a cultural development and not a product of genetics, it's in addition to his previous work, not a replacement.
From Niall "Tool" Ferguson's review:
The key point is that the four great social trends of the past half-century--the decline of marriage, of the work ethic, of respect for the law and of religious observance--have affected Fishtown much more than Belmont. As a consequence, the traditional bonds of civil society have atrophied in Fishtown. And that, Murray concludes, is why people there are so very unhappy--and dysfunctional.
What can be done to reunite these two classes? Murray is dismissive of the standard liberal prescription of higher taxes on the rich and higher spending on the poor. As he points out, there could hardly be a worse moment to try to import the European welfare state, just as that system suffers fiscal collapse in its continent of origin.
What the country needs is not an even larger federal government but a kind of civic Great Awakening--a return to the republic's original foundations of family, vocation, community, and faith.
http://www.amazon.com/Coming-Apart-State-America-1960-2010/dp/0307453421/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1332992417&sr=8-1
As Stephen Colbert noted in his interview, this is a book in which there are no Black people. Murray's basically arguing that the myriad civil rights movements of the last few decades produced a cultural shift that took poor white people away from "the traditional bonds of civil society" and toward a sinful existence. It's Social Darwinism but in application and not in cause, that's what the Bell Curve pretended to be about. This is honestly an even more overt attempt at white washing the history of this country.
ellisonz
(27,711 posts)Looked like a bigoted fool: Colbert Nation Video
sudopod
(5,019 posts)Vast changes in the working class over the last 50 years? LOL, name any fifty year span when there weren't vast changes. The working class of 1910 looked nothing like that of 1960, and the working class of 1860 sure as hell didn't look like the one of 1910.
This is the same nonsense that all of the Pat Buchannans of the world are spouting: they're mad that the world doesn't look like it did when they were kids. Some try to put it in terms of Elvis and cars with fins on, and some (like Murray) want to undo all social change in the last half century.
ellisonz
(27,711 posts)...you must fear the other and keep women suppressed!
sudopod
(5,019 posts)I guess there are some dolphins and great apes left, but it's just not the same.
ellisonz
(27,711 posts)...what will bring White America back together is clean-burning, safe, efficient natural gas, and its friends tar sands and shale oil rock. Cheap energy is bedrock of our culture!
sudopod
(5,019 posts)ellisonz
(27,711 posts)Get up and stop being a bunch of wimps White America - walk, ride a bike, take public transit, do something!
ellisonz
(27,711 posts)The Daily Caller - By Neil Munro - The Daily Caller | The Daily Caller Tue, Feb 28, 2012
[Obama's] emphasis on blue collar values is aimed at narrowing the wide gap between Obamas 50-plus percent support among professional-class graduates and his low-30s support among blue collar workers who dislike his social progressivism, secular and liberal goals, and his emphasis on federal direction. That cultural gap has repeatedly caused the defeat of many Democratic candidates, and is expected to hurt Obama in the November election.
You want to talk about values? Hard work, thats a value, Obama declared. Looking out for one another, thats a value. The idea that were all in it together, that I am my brothers keeper; I am my sisters keeper, that is a value, he said, ending his speech with a repeated religious reference.
God bless you and the work you do, and God bless America, said Obama, who lost support in 2008, when he was seen dismissing Americans who cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who arent like them or anti-immigrant.
Obamas emphasis on values even prompted him to tout the autos once dismissed by progressives as so-called gas-guzzlers.
That's what the Righties think