Zimmerman could very well have had the injuries described. Based on that grainy video after he was attended to by EMT's at the scene it's impossible to tell what injuries he had if any. And it does look to me that there is something on the back of his head in that video but I have no idea whether it's any kind of injury or dirt or what.

To say that police are lying about him having any injuries at this point is just flat out stupid.

How does this grainy video tell you whether or not Zimmerman had any injuries especially when we know he was attended to at the scene by EMT's? It doesn't. Therefore, claiming he had no injuries and the cops lied about that based on this grainy video is STUPID. We already know that whatever injuries he had were not so severe that he required immediate hospital care. That's it. Whether he had some injuries or not is immaterial anyway. It's how he got them and under what circumstanes that matter.

yeah, keep telling yourself that.

Can't wait to see the xRays, too.

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I have very much defended Martin from the beginning and was one of the first to say that how the police handled the case from the very beginning was not a bunch of mistakes but calculated and intentional. No, I'm not at all grabbing at straws, and NO, I AM NOT defending Zimmerman AT ALL. I just find it ludicrous that there are people claiming that he couldn't possibly have any injuries and that the police lied about that based on this silly grainy video after he had been treated at the scene and especially since you CAN see "something" on the back of his head in the video... whether it's a laceration or dirt or what CAN'T be ascertained from the video. You CAN'T tell whether or not he had a broken nose or a bloody nose or whether or not whatever that "something" is on the back of his head is a laceration or dirt or what based on this video, and it's STUPID STUPID STUPID to claim one can. What CAN be seen in the video is that his injuries were slight and not so important that he needed immediate hospital care which one would need if there head was bashed on the ground severely because of the danger of a serious head injury.

I also in several posts described my own experience with my severely broken nose back in the '80's where there was no blood, no swelling and no bruising around they eyes and that my own family members couldn't tell I had any injury to my nose at all even when looking at it up close and personal. Yet it was a severe break that just so happened to only be revealed through x-rays that showed the severe damage on the inside that couldn't be detected on the outside. I knew it was severely broken because I couldn't breathe out of one side at all and I FELT like my nose was coming out the side of my head, but it didn't LOOK that way. NOT every nose injury reveals itself the same way because not every nose injury is the same whether broken or not. One would THINK that was common sense, but over and over I see post after post claiming that all broken noses bleed and they all bleed like a gusher when they DON'T.

Again, it DOES NOT MATTER whether Zimmerman had these injuries or not, what matters is how he got them and under what circumstances. Did HE start the physical altercation with Martin, and even if he didn't was it not allowable or excusable that Martin felt he needed to physically defend himself from this stranger with a visible gun on his waist chasing him particularly under Florida's Stand Your Ground law? Yes, it's perfectly reasonable that Martin would have felt afraid and even afraid for his life especially considering that visible gun at Zimmerman's waist. If Martin physically defended himself from Zimmerman and got a few licks in then GOOD. He had every right to defend himself from this nutty dude with a gun chasing him for no other reason than he was a black kid walking on the sidewalk acting entirely unsuspicious.

Now, suppose you go and do yourself that favor of looking up my other posts on this case and see which one of us is "grasping at straws". I'll wait.

continue, bet.

and no one needs to look at any of your priors to understand that fact.

He could have had a bloody nose that wasn't all that bloody. It happens. Big fucking deal. His defenders can say whatever the hell they want. It isn't going to change the facts. Whether or not Zimmerman had some minor injuries ISN'T RELEVANT - how he got them and under what circumstances IS. Claiming he had none at all based on a grainy video after he had been attended to at the scene is just unbelievably stupid because you CAN'T tell and it doesn't matter ANYWAY. People are going to look mighty stupid when it turns out that he did have a bloody nose and a laceration on the back of his head when they already look stupid claiming from nothing but a grainy video after he'd been medically attended to that he had no injuries whatsoever especially when the video DOES reveal SOMETHING on the back of Zimmerman's head that can't be identified from the video as an injury or dirt or what, but it is there. At least I'm honest enough to admit and say publically that I DO see something on the back of Zimmerman's head in that video but have no idea what the hell it is and that in no way whatsoever makes me a Zimmerman defender - it makes me an honest Martin defender that isn't willing to engage in overblown embellishment to further an agenda because that's exactly what I am and have been from the beginning of this horror.

Nothing at all about this case needs to be overblown and it SHOULDN'T be. The bare facts that we know of are bad enough all by themselves without having to make shit up. Not to mention that making shit up just makes Martin's defenders at least here look not so pristine and agenda driven. That's the last thing that Trayvon's memory and his family needs. Stick to the facts - they are PLENTY bad enough - embelishing and making ludicrous unfounded claims to support the defense of Trayvon is just as bad as the defenders of Zimmerman making ludicrous and unfounded claims. Neither is either necessary nor appropriate.

at all in the video? Not on his face or on his clothes?

Oh yeah, the police got him all cleaned up before they brought him in. Right.

Dream on.

I'm not supporting "the defense of Trayvon." Trayvon doesn't need any defense. All he did was DIE.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/28/trayvon-martin-police-video_n_1386764.html?icid=maing-grid7%7Cmain5%7Cdl1%7Csec1_lnk3%26pLid%3D147477

Newly released video of George Zimmerman at the Sanford Police Department the night he shot Trayvon Martin to death show the neighborhood watch volunteer without blood on his clothing or bruises on his face or head. His clean-shaven picture seems to contrast with the violent beating he told police he endured at the hands of Martin, 17, who Zimmerman said attacked him from behind.

The video, obtained by ABC News, appears inconsistent with Zimmerman’s recently leaked statement to police that he was in a death struggle with Martin before Zimmerman shot him in the chest in self-defense. Zimmerman told investigators that Martin jumped him from behind, punched him in the nose and pounded his head into a sidewalk, according to a police report first described by the Orlando Sentinal.

In the video, apparently taken by surveillance cameras outside and inside the police station, Zimmerman’s face and head are clearly visible and show no injuries consistent with the kind of fight Zimmerman's statement described.

Oh, and yes, it matters whether or not Zimmerman had injuries or not SINCE THE POLICE REPORT REPRESENTED THAT HE DID. Saying any different is just STUPID STUPID STUPID STUPID STUPID STUPID STUPID STUPID STUPID STUPID.

Go grasp at some more straws.

how does that change the fact that a grown man with a gun shot a kid armed with skittles, in self defense?

The apparent lack of them makes it very hard to do so.

they are grasping at straws.

Between this video and the funeral people's report that the boy's hands were not injured, you have to work pretty hard to make a case that this vicious asshole was a victim of any kind.

his previous arrest?

according to the news reports all over the M$M tonight.

That if Zimmerman had a gash on the back of his head and been treated at the scene he'd most likely would have shown up with a big white bandage back there. Something we would see despite the the grainy pictures.

Not to mention; where is the blood on the back of Zimmerman's coat from said gash?

Was it some kind of magic bleach? And why aren't his clothes showing the effects of rolling around in the mud and the rain?

http://www.kansascity.com/2012/03/28/3520884/neighbors-say-teens-shooter-is.html

Numerous 911 calls reported two men scuffling. In a recording, an anguished male voice cries out in the background repeatedly. Then there is a single sound, sharper than a hand clap.

Sanford Police Officer Timothy Smith rushed to the scene, describing it later in his report.

Zimmerman told the officer he had shot Martin, and was still armed.

Smith cuffed him and removed a black Kel-Tec 9-millimeter semiautomatic handgun from his waistband.

He noticed that Zimmerman had a bloody nose and blood on the back of his head. Zimmerman was placed in the back of a squad car.

Broken noses bleed. A lot. His shirt has no blood on it.

Head wounds bleed. A lot. The back of his jacket has no blood on it.

Martin was supposedly on top of Zimmerman bashing his head against the sidewalk when Zimmerman shot. Chest wounds bleed. A lot. Where's Martin's blood?

Police procedure is to wear gloves whenever handling suspects who may have blood on them. This procedure is going to be followed, because it keeps the cops from dying to hepatitis and AIDS. They aren't wearing gloves.

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It will tell us:
- What really happened
- Where the process broke down
- Who covered things up

Things we have all been wondering about since this happened.

sheesh, the police apparently aren't willing to keep us safe from this perp, let alone let an investigation happen, and a fair trial.

The net and DU was awash with conflicting claims and things that had no basis in available data. For example, we had no real information about Zimmerman's injuries before the tape came out this afternoon, just conjecture. Is it ivory tower to want solid facts before coming to conclusions or is it rational adult behavior?

should have been an arrest, and trial, at the very least.

and as the days, weeks, (now almost months) have gone by, it has only become clearer to all but the truly blind.

Have to wonder why he is still free tonight.

What details were available much earlier? The State Attorney has had a lid on this from the get go.

no blood, no swelling, no bruising, no red marks, no lacertions, no hematoma, no dirt on his clothes. Jumps up out the car with handcuffs on.
...and hours before he was in "defense of his life"???

Probably more like "within the last hour"

TRAYVON'S blood.

Looks like the DA went personally to the police station, whihc never happens in a case like this. the on dutyperosn from the DAs office handles it.

Not the department.

that he did not believe Zimmerman's story.

that they couldn't arrest because of liability.

So, the department as a whole did not register a desire to detain this guy, that one investigator did.

at this point, I want to see the video of the D.A.

The department spokesman's statement was directly quoted about a week ago.

and instead found this one, where the chief says they don't have probable cause for an arrest and that they "plan" to turn it over to the state attorney. So, it wasn't in the state attorney's hands from "go".

http://74.6.117.48/search/srpcache?ei=UTF-8&p=Sanford+Police+spokesman+liability&rd=pref&xa=__3sF6zbj8LEt2V7zYzqBQ--%2C1333084310&fr=yfp-t-505&u=http://cc.bingj.com/cache.aspx?q=Sanford+Police+spokesman+liability&d=5022019864233066&mkt=en-US&setlang=en-US&w=b065fc93,b60ac6a8&icp=1&.intl=us&sig=Lfif_hYPsU2Y2ZOlM1lS_A--

We're going to see a lot of CYA as this thing unravels.

I don't think there is a good enough angle to tell if Zimmerman's nose has been injured. But there is a good enough view of the back of his head and there is no injury visable. A gash that would require stitches should have been quite visable. One of the cops also walks behind Zimmerman and inspects the back of his head but shows no reaction. The most telling thing is Zimmerman is still wearing his red jacket. I would have expected the police to have taken that away as evidence (grass on the back, etc.). The jacket looks spotless. Zimmerman has said that Martin was on top of him and the police have said that Martin was found face down. Logically that would mean that Martin would have fallen forward, even on top of Zimmerman. That red jacket would have had Martin's blood on it and the police would not have removed that blood evidence. There just doesn't appear to be any physical evidence to support Zimmerman's account. No wonder the homicide detective thought Zimmerman's account was not believable and recommended he be charged with manslaughter. The fact that he was overruled on the spot smells of political pressure coming from somewhere. The two that overruled the homicide detective are both now on leave -- geez, I wonder why. And I wonder how the video made its way into ABC's hands.

It's actually quite clear. The man's head shines in the light. No injuries, no blood.

This is beginning to stink to high heaven.

After cops took the one he was wearing into evidence?

Or without taking it into evidence?