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socialist_n_TN

(11,481 posts)
Sat Apr 26, 2014, 12:03 PM Apr 2014

Anybody heard anything about the militias near the Bundy ranch.......

manning armed checkpoints and stopping vehicles? Saw something on FB about it, but haven't seen it confirmed anywhere else. Just curious.

If true, it would certainly be an escalation. Getting ready for the Burning Man Festival?

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Anybody heard anything about the militias near the Bundy ranch....... (Original Post) socialist_n_TN Apr 2014 OP
I heard on the TEE VEE that the confederates do have checkpoints. mmonk Apr 2014 #1
I heard the congressman representing that district say that, but cthulu2016 Apr 2014 #2
I really liked that congressman. grasswire Apr 2014 #4
Presumably Steven Horsford? He's an AWESOME Democrat! Nevernose Apr 2014 #27
He was on Ed Shultz yesterday n/t malaise Apr 2014 #33
Are ALL the TeaPublicans irony deprived..? nt Bigmack Apr 2014 #41
Here's a story that mentions a "Patriot Checkpoint" pinboy3niner Apr 2014 #3
Well, as I've often said, getting mad at the government is like....... socialist_n_TN Apr 2014 #6
I really like Kelly Bundy. L0oniX Apr 2014 #5
There's a salacious scandal brewing on the ranch Brother Buzz Apr 2014 #7
LOL L0oniX Apr 2014 #8
I heard cousin Ted is coming back for a visit Ichingcarpenter Apr 2014 #9
Ted was also a registered ReTHUG malaise Apr 2014 #30
There was another Bundy Serial killer Ichingcarpenter Apr 2014 #49
Applegate, lol pinboy3niner Apr 2014 #10
You've got it Peg-gyd! Aerows Apr 2014 #13
DUzy n/t Aerows Apr 2014 #11
I always preferred Peg. n/t Jamastiene Apr 2014 #44
They're all just hangin' on the porch. Democracyinkind Apr 2014 #12
+1 Ha! I love it ! lunasun Apr 2014 #54
The checkpoint Militia was spotted patrolling the area.... Segami Apr 2014 #14
Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2014 #15
What's so socialistic about his post? Democracyinkind Apr 2014 #16
Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2014 #17
FRP. eom uppityperson Apr 2014 #18
IMO, this poster needs a new hobby. greatauntoftriplets Apr 2014 #21
Tatting perhaps. Or researching geniology. uppityperson Apr 2014 #25
Culinary school! greatauntoftriplets Apr 2014 #26
Okay, Ma'am: Who Called The Law On The Chew Toy? The Magistrate Apr 2014 #28
I'm not sure. greatauntoftriplets Apr 2014 #29
I just happened along the thread. William769 Apr 2014 #31
Thanks! greatauntoftriplets Apr 2014 #34
Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2014 #40
I See, Ma'am The Magistrate Apr 2014 #32
Exactly. greatauntoftriplets Apr 2014 #35
Probably would have caught it sooner. William769 Apr 2014 #36
No problem with that. greatauntoftriplets Apr 2014 #37
Wait till she finds out I'm back in the saddle again. William769 Apr 2014 #38
Heh, heh. greatauntoftriplets Apr 2014 #39
1001 kale recipes uppityperson Apr 2014 #42
They help prevent dis-ease! greatauntoftriplets Apr 2014 #43
Not trench mouth! William769 Apr 2014 #45
LOL. greatauntoftriplets Apr 2014 #46
So You Signed To Support Bundy, Sir? The Magistrate Apr 2014 #19
Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2014 #22
Good luck with being a socialist without a strong government. Democracyinkind Apr 2014 #23
Thank For The Laugh, Sir The Magistrate Apr 2014 #24
"normal fees"? HooptieWagon Apr 2014 #52
You specifically referred to his post, that's why I asked. Democracyinkind Apr 2014 #20
DAMN! I go off for a few hours and the shit hits the fan........ socialist_n_TN Apr 2014 #47
Ha... I was just trying to force his outing. Democracyinkind Apr 2014 #48
Yeah, I kind of figured you were doing something like that...... socialist_n_TN Apr 2014 #50
A peculiar form of misinformed red-baiting, yes. Democracyinkind Apr 2014 #51
They are spoiling for a fight Savannahmann Apr 2014 #53

cthulu2016

(10,960 posts)
2. I heard the congressman representing that district say that, but
Sat Apr 26, 2014, 12:08 PM
Apr 2014

I have not heard anything else about it, personally.

Nevernose

(13,081 posts)
27. Presumably Steven Horsford? He's an AWESOME Democrat!
Sat Apr 26, 2014, 04:41 PM
Apr 2014

Because that's his district. A damn fine American, and truly dedicated to he people of Nevada. Every time I start to think "Damn, this place is a shit hole and I really need to move to New York or France," I think about Las Vegans like him.

When he was a county commissioner, he would bend over backwards to give back to the community, especially children. Having taught at several of the "urban" or just plain poor schools in Las Vegas, the guy could be counted on to come and mentor youth. And it clearly wasn't for political purposes, because there's not much to gain from speaking to fourteen year olds in other people's districts.

And, as a congressman, he's stood up for the little guy. He's one of those people representing ALL of his con students, not just the oil tycoons with the deepest pockets.

Ironically, when Cliven Bundy was talking about "driving past the Vegas ghettos and seeing the lazy negros on welfare who are government slaves" (paraphrasing), it was guys like his own fucking Congressman that he was looking at.

socialist_n_TN

(11,481 posts)
6. Well, as I've often said, getting mad at the government is like.......
Sat Apr 26, 2014, 12:58 PM
Apr 2014

getting mad at the ventriloquist dummy rather than the ventriloquist.

But these people are so propagandized that they probably think the government is NOT owned by the Kochs and their ilk.

Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
9. I heard cousin Ted is coming back for a visit
Sat Apr 26, 2014, 01:47 PM
Apr 2014

saying


“What’s one less person on the face of the earth, anyway?”


''I don’t feel guilty for anything. I feel sorry for people who feel guilt.”


http://www.buzzfeed.com/sarahs28/ted-bundy-quotes-1yzj

Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
49. There was another Bundy Serial killer
Sun Apr 27, 2014, 06:44 AM
Apr 2014



Carol M. Bundy (August 26, 1942 – December 9, 2003) was an American serial killer. Bundy and Doug Clark became known as "The Sunset Strip Killers" after being convicted of a series of murders in Los Angeles during the late spring and early summer of 1980. The victims were young prostitutes or runaways.

1http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carol_M._Bundy


The Bundy heritage.....

Response to socialist_n_TN (Original post)

Response to Democracyinkind (Reply #16)

Response to William769 (Reply #31)

The Magistrate

(95,248 posts)
19. So You Signed To Support Bundy, Sir?
Sat Apr 26, 2014, 04:24 PM
Apr 2014

Against the big bad government?

"Should Socialists succeed, Socialism would become the law, enforced by police like every other body of law."

Response to The Magistrate (Reply #19)

Democracyinkind

(4,015 posts)
23. Good luck with being a socialist without a strong government.
Sat Apr 26, 2014, 04:33 PM
Apr 2014

Also, you might want to rehearse that part about the native people a bit more if you want to be a good socialist.

The Magistrate

(95,248 posts)
24. Thank For The Laugh, Sir
Sat Apr 26, 2014, 04:35 PM
Apr 2014

I will simply take my text from old Will Rogers:

"We don't know what we want, but we're ready to bite somebody to get it!"

The goverment collecting normal fees for use of its land is hardly 'overreaching government for our personal lives'.

The usual response to persons ignoring court orders directing payment of a debt is seizure of assets, with possible arrest for contempt. Again, dirt normal, utterly usual, only to be expected, routine behavior....

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
52. "normal fees"?
Sun Apr 27, 2014, 12:20 PM
Apr 2014

If the State of Nevada owned the land, as Bundy desires, his grazing fees would be 10X higher. Market rate would be about 15X higher. Bundy's grazing fees were heavily discounted by BLM... therefore, anything but normal. The MFer was too stupid to realize what a break he was getting.

Democracyinkind

(4,015 posts)
20. You specifically referred to his post, that's why I asked.
Sat Apr 26, 2014, 04:25 PM
Apr 2014

I think you're confused about the opinion that liberals have about federal control of public lands. It's not really a controversial topic. Liberals tend to scorn freeloading millionaires though.

Public - and therefore federal - ownership of land is not something that socialists really have a problem with generally.

socialist_n_TN

(11,481 posts)
47. DAMN! I go off for a few hours and the shit hits the fan........
Sat Apr 26, 2014, 05:54 PM
Apr 2014
And yes you're right Democracyinkind, socialists DON'T have a problem with governmental ownership of things, including land. In general that is. Much better than "private" ownership actually.

However, the current governmental ownership might be problematic simply because this government is owned by the big bourgeoisie and they make decisions based on that.

Democracyinkind

(4,015 posts)
48. Ha... I was just trying to force his outing.
Sat Apr 26, 2014, 06:01 PM
Apr 2014

I couldn't agree more with what you wrote. In theory, it's a good idea. In our current corpocracy, it has some rather nasty effects.

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socialist_n_TN

(11,481 posts)
50. Yeah, I kind of figured you were doing something like that......
Sun Apr 27, 2014, 11:26 AM
Apr 2014
It was hard to tell though since I missed in it's entirety the disruptor's spiel. I assume it was some sort of "red-baiting"?

Democracyinkind

(4,015 posts)
51. A peculiar form of misinformed red-baiting, yes.
Sun Apr 27, 2014, 12:14 PM
Apr 2014

He seemed to believe that being a socialist somehow puts you in fundamental opposition to the very concept of state.

My guess: He never learned to properly distinguish a socialist from an anarchist. You know how these folks just lump together any labels that they believe to be in disagreement with.

I think something along the lines of "Hey Clem, you need to put these socialist anarchist communist nazis in their place or we'll all end up in FEMA camps" encompasses the totality of the kind of education in political science that he received.

 

Savannahmann

(3,891 posts)
53. They are spoiling for a fight
Sun Apr 27, 2014, 12:49 PM
Apr 2014

The worst thing that could happen is that one is given to them. I know, many here are furious that the Government hasn't already taught them a lesson, and others are waiting gleefully for the Federal Agents to sweep in and teach them a lesson, I am concerned that event may take place.

Not because I want the milita types to succeed. But because I'm afraid that they may be victorious. I mentioned the brewing battle on the border of Texas and Oklahoma in a post a few days ago.

Many people here think they are a bunch of idiots with guns, and certainly some are. Others claim that those with military pensions are just clerks and such that don't know what they are doing, which is certainly true for some. Yet, some of those people do know what they are doing, and some who you think are merely gun toting idiots are probably very experienced in fighting. We've been doing it for more than a decade in two locations, and even the "clerks" have been in the fighting more than the term would indicate.

Oh we have tanks, and helicopters, and guns, and the power of the Federal Government. As I mentioned before. Those things didn't help the Soviets in Afghanistan, and they haven't helped us in Afghanistan either. They didn't win the war in Viet-Nam either.

Sun Tzu would very much object to the idea of using massed troops to try and defeat the militia. That would place them upon what is known as "Death Ground" which means they have no escape and no option except to fight to the death. We've seen plenty of examples in history where that was a very costly choice. The Spartans at Thermopolae. The Texans at the Alamo. When surrender is not an option, and for many of them it is not an option, the costs could be extraordinarily high to defeat them. But as we saw at Thermopylae, the Alamo, Stalingrad, and all the other fights against overwhelming odds, the defeat makes them martyrs. Heros to those who pick up arms next.

General Giap defeated an overwhelming military force in Viet-Nam. The Afghani Rebels defeated an overwhelming military force in Afghanistan, twice. The way to do this is not to classify them as terrorists, because that doesn't work to drive support away, it makes others more supportive, seeing them as freedom fighters. Hamas and the PLO enjoyed support from many people in this nation despite being a "Terrorist" organization. The Irish Republican Army raised millions of dollars in the United States from people who were willing to donate to the "Freedom Fighters" who were classified by the British as Terrorists. Osama and Al Queda still manage to get recruits and supporters despite being killed, and survivors hunted all over the planet.

Treat them as common criminals. No more worthy of praise than a bank robber, or a murderer. Try them and convict them of the crimes they have committed. Don't do something incredibly stupid and give them an Alamo to point to as the rally cry. Ruby Ridge did more to harm the image of the Federal Government than the White Separatist movement. Randy Weaver was acquitted by a jury for the crimes he committed because of the overreaction of the Federal Government. Patience will bring them to you where they can be arrested without risk to anyone.

Let's remember Eric Rudolph shall we? He blew up something like three abortion clinics and the Olympic Park. A massive manhunt ensued, and it went on for years. All the time the pundits are talking about the ineptitude of the Federal Authorities, and the stupidity of those chasing him. So what happened? He was caught dumpster diving behind a grocery store by a cop, taken into custody, and tried for the crimes he had committed. He was treated as a criminal in other words, not a terrorist. He even plea bargained to avoid the death penalty.

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